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[Woland]

Found this on the RCYL(b) website, rough translation:


... Immediately and completely exclude from the circle of acquaintances of the child the "guests of the capital" - Gypsies, Asians, Caucasians. No need to tell the child obscure and complex things. Simply explain: these people are not Russian and they are not like us. They may say one thing and do quite the opposite. They live differently, think differently, believe differently, even eat differently. (The child will easily understand and accept this - his mind is pure, and for him "strange" is the very appearance of these people!) Do not go near them! Do not speak to them! Do not answer their questions! Do not look at them! Do not turn to them for help, even if, for example, you are lost! Do not buy anything from them! THEY are not strangers. They are simply- different. But also tell them one more thing - if a ''different'' starts to behave arrogantly, he should be taught a lesson, either by you (if you have the strength), or tell older friends or parents.

And immediately in the first place absolutely forget all this nonsense about racism and nationalism. Do not buy the words that "there are no bad people ..." - and so on.

Who did we quote here? The Nazis? The Nazbols? ''Pamyat''? Russian National Unity? [edited the names-W.] Not at all. All this and much more just like it wrote "Soviet Russia", the editor of which- V. V. Chikin- is a member of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, a deputy of the State Duma from that party.

The Nazis and anti-communists control the Communist Party, they wrote its programm, they run its media, they determine the face of the party. We have nothing more to add to this fact. We can only draw conclusions- especially those of us who still believe in the KPRF.

Source: http://www.rksmb.ru/get.php?3324 (in Russian).

[Rjevan]

Wow, what the hell?! :scared:
"Do not go near them! Do not speak to them! Do not answer their questions! ... if a 'different' starts to behave arrogantly, he should be taught a lesson... And immediately in the first place absolutely forget all this nonsense about racism and nationalism. Do not buy the words that 'there are no bad people ...' - and so on."

This is something I would expect to hear from a nazi party but definitely not from a party which carries the term "communism" in its name! This is nothing but absolutely disgusting, pure racism like the nazis couldn't have done it better in one of their anti-semitic newspapers in the 20s and 30s and it's sad to think that some people just vote the KPRF without taking a closer look to their statements, thinking they are the only true legacy of the CPSU.

[Mephisto]

To be honest, I am not very surprised, for as far as I know, the KPRF already worked together with the "national bolsheviks" in the past. I remember a discussion in a german students forum, where a KPRF Member attacked the German Communist Party for a having a queer platform, saying things like "In the good old time, they went to gulag." We first thought that he would be a covered conservative or nazi trying to provoke us, but after all, he truly seemed to be a KPRF member.

[willdw79]

Anyone can call themselves communists. Long ago certain members of CPUSA split from the party because they said that the Soviets were not communists, but were in fact well-intentioned reactionaries.

Russia is a capitalist country with a history of communist ideology, so it logically follows that the capitalists would hijack the communists' symbols/organizations and use them for their gain, that's what they do.

[The Author]

... Immediately and completely exclude from the circle of acquaintances of the child the "guests of the capital" - Gypsies, Asians, Caucasians. No need to tell the child obscure and complex things. Simply explain: these people are not Russian and they are not like us. They may say one thing and do quite the opposite. They live differently, think differently, believe differently, even eat differently. (The child will easily understand and accept this - his mind is pure, and for him "strange" is the very appearance of these people!) Do not go near them! Do not speak to them! Do not answer their questions! Do not look at them! Do not turn to them for help, even if, for example, you are lost! Do not buy anything from them! THEY are not strangers. They are simply- different. But also tell them one more thing - if a ''different'' starts to behave arrogantly, he should be taught a lesson, either by you (if you have the strength), or tell older friends or parents.

And immediately in the first place absolutely forget all this nonsense about racism and nationalism. Do not buy the words that "there are no bad people ..." - and so on.

This is incredible. I always knew CPRF was bad in terms of its opportunist collaboration with the current government and its activities with Nazbols. But I never realized the party endorsed this kind of garbage. The guy is practically telling kids to become boneheads and do the same thing fascists do in Russia by harming and killing people from other racial or ethnic backgrounds because they "should be taught a lesson."

I hope the communists in Russia and the other ex-Soviet countries get their shit together and start organizing together towards real revolution. Because if a platform like this ever becomes the dominant way of thinking in the Russian government, we'll have more bloodshed that will make the wars in Chechnya and South Ossetia seem small by comparison.

[n0thing]

Thanks to the Soviet Union; In Russia, communism is understood to be little more than an over-bearing authoritarian government. This is a definition fascists can slip into quite easily.

[mykittyhasaboner]

Thanks to the Soviet Union; In Russia, communism is understood to be little more than an over-bearing authoritarian government. This is a definition fascists can slip into quite easily.
This is one of the most ignorant statements I've read on revleft.

[n0thing]

This is one of the most ignorant statements I've read on revleft.
Dude, you're a marxist-leninist. The only people who care what you think are other marxist-leninists.

[mykittyhasaboner]

Dude, you're a marxist-leninist. The only people who care what you think are other marxist-leninists.

Another one of the most ignorant, ad-hominem, and downright stupid things I've ever read on revleft.


Do you seriously think that the people of Russia think of the Soviet Union just as some "over-bearing authoritarian state"? You clearly must not have any serious knowledge about the quality of life in Russia now, as compared to before the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

[n0thing]

Another one of the most ignorant, ad-hominem, and downright stupid things I've ever read on revleft.


Do you seriously think that the people of Russia think of the Soviet Union just as some "over-bearing authoritarian state"? You clearly must not have any serious knowledge about the quality of life in Russia now, as compared to before the dissolution of the Soviet Union.
You know when people say "communism doesnt work"? What they really mean, is marxism-leninism doesnt work. And they're right. Russia collapsed, China didn't last 50 years, Vietnam is back in capitalism too.

So why would anybody listen to a proponent of a failed, over-bearing ideology? Quite simply; they don't. You're totally irrelevant.

[Rjevan]

You know when people say "communism doesnt work"? What they really mean, is marxism-leninism doesnt work. And they're right. Russia collapsed, China didn't last 50 years, Vietnam is back in capitalism too.
What they really mean is revisionism doesn't work. You know that we "totally irrelevant" Marxist-Leninist think that revisionism took over in the USSR at the end of the 50s and in China after Maos death (if you're a Maoist, I guess Hoxhaists see this differently) with the rise of good old Khrushchev and Deng Xiaoping and so the revolutions were betrayed, capitalism slowly restored (Deng: "There is no difference if a cat is white or black, the many thing is that it catches mice." = who cares about ideologies, as long as we make good money) and therefore it was now wonder that the USSR collapsed and China went on the road to capitalism.

[mykittyhasaboner]

You know when people say "communism doesnt work"?
Yes and why should I care what such ignorant people have to say?


What they really mean, is marxism-leninism doesnt work.
I'd say it's quite probable that those people haven't even heard of Marxism-Leninism.

And they're right.
A sweeping generalization, you haven't really made much of an argument for this so I'm not convinced, sorry.

Russia collapsed,
The Soviet Union did not collapse, it was dismantled.


China didn't last 50 years, Vietnam is back in capitalism too.

Both of which, largely, have to do with ideological currents in opposition to Marxism-Leninism.

So why would anybody listen to a proponent of a failed, over-bearing ideology?
You haven't proven that Marxism-Leninism is a failure, so I don't know why you keep on insisting this like you have some kind of argument.


Quite simply; they don't. You're totally irrelevant.
Marxist-Leninists make up the majority of people who call themselves communists. Proponents of ML are much more relevant to people like you who criticize from the 'sidelines', with obviously no working compression of revolution or socialism.

[NecroCommie]

'sigh' I wonder what they would do once they start reading Marx's works... :rolleyes: Convert in blind faith or abandon Marx too?

[mykittyhasaboner]

Woland, are there any other communist parties that participate in the Duma or otherwise are organized in opposition to the apparently reactionary CPRF?