I'm getting a bit frustrated with RevLeft.

[Kukulofori]

It seems to be full of racist labor aristocratic working class nationalists rather than actual revolutionaries or communists.

I mean christ can we do something other than argue about dead Russian people and romanticise strikes for a change.

[mykittyhasaboner]

Maybe your making too big of a generalization. There's lots more on Revleft than tireless never ending debates. If those threads bother you than don't read/post in them.

[New Tet]

It seems to be full of racist labor aristocratic working class nationalists rather than actual revolutionaries or communists.

I mean christ can we do something other than argue about dead Russian people and romanticise strikes for a change.

"Romance at the Picket Line (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-HYkhXfZRc)", a light-hearted musical comedy bound for Broadway.

[JimmyJazz]

Make a thread on Revleft about it.

[F9]

Welcome to Revleft..
Where AMAZING happens

[LeninKobaMao]

Yeah i'm sick of all the liberals and anarcho-trots.

[GPDP]

It seems to be full of racist labor aristocratic working class nationalists rather than actual revolutionaries or communists.

I mean christ can we do something other than argue about dead Russian people and romanticise strikes for a change.

Could be worse. You could be in the CC.

[RHIZOMES]

anarcho-trots.

The self-hating anarchists. :rolleyes:

[willdw79]

It seems to be full of racist labor aristocratic working class nationalists rather than actual revolutionaries or communists.

I mean christ can we do something other than argue about dead Russian people and romanticise strikes for a change.

Typical divisive comment by someone who has an interest in fragmenting groups. Are you an agent provocateur? No need to respond because if you are not this comment proves that you are acting like one which is materially the same as being one.

[NecroCommie]

It is also important to know that extreme leftists use extreme language. Personally I might use harsh words against other tendencies, but I still would choose them over bourgeois followers. Also, in practice communists tend to be rather anti-sectarian uniting all kinds of rallies and protests when their interests conform. This is even if they use harsh words against each other in the internet.

This is ofcourse based on my personal experiences, and is not a universal truth.

[Bilan]

Yeah i'm sick of all the liberals and anarcho-trots.

No one likes you either.

[Bilan]

It seems to be full of racist labor aristocratic working class nationalists rather than actual revolutionaries or communists.

Feel free to link moderators to racist posters so that we can bring it up in the CC and have the persons banned or restricted. Either that or retract your statement.



I mean christ can we do something other than argue about dead Russian people and romanticise strikes for a change.

This doesn't flow with your previous post. Does discussing dead Russians equate to nationalism, or racism?
And romantacise strikes? What on earth?

[RedRise]

I mean christ can we do something other than argue about dead Russian people and romanticise strikes for a change.

Hate to break it to you - but this is just a chat forum. It's for people who want to have (usually) civilized discussions about a wide range of issues. If you are actually intent on starting revolutions and riots or whatever you want to do, find a group of people in your country who are willing to do it with you. This is what chat forums are for. Chatting.:rolleyes: Is there anybody else who joined to plan attacks and what not? Speak now or forever hold your peace.
And for the record, arguing about dead Russians is fun.:closedeyes:


Yeah i'm sick of all the liberals and anarcho-trots.

This is Home of the Revolutionary Left. That means it's for all leftists. Everyone has a right to their own opinion, even if it isn't right.:closedeyes:

[Il Medico]

And for the record, arguing about dead Russians is fun.:closedeyes:

I prefer to argue about immortal Cubans and dead Argentinians; they have more sex appeal. :closedeyes:

[Black Sheep]

Make a thread on Revleft about it.
Yeah.In chit-chat.

[Raúl Duke]

I prefer to argue about immortal Cubans and dead Argentinians; they have more sex appeal. :closedeyes:

Agreed.

On to the topic,
If you don't like it you can try to change things here (highly unlikely), leave, or just avoid it.

[Pogue]

If you don't like it, leave. Its simple. Don't make your own personal problems our problem with flame bait, unsubstantiated and worthless threads like this.

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

sick of anarcho-trots.

I'm sick of puerile authoritartians who make up bullshit pejoratives

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

They see me trollin', they hatin'...

[Kukulofori]

Feel free to link moderators to racist posters so that we can bring it up in the CC and have the persons banned or restricted. Either that or retract your statement.

LOL "we are always right because we are in positions of power" arguments. GOOD LEFTING.

Try every post on the middle east or islam.


This doesn't flow with your previous post. Does discussing dead Russians equate to nationalism, or racism?
And romantacise strikes? What on earth?

That's why it's in a separate paragraph. Discussing dead Russians is (usually) neither nationalistic nor racist. It is however irrelivant to genuine left-wing revolutionary struggles.

Romanticising strikes is when we bring out the confetti and the fake tears because of workers demanding things that are not revolutionary using tactics that are not revolutionary. Every time a worker farts anywhere in the world RevLeft has to hear about it.


Hate to break it to you - but this is just a chat forum. It's for people who want to have (usually) civilized discussions about a wide range of issues. If you are actually intent on starting revolutions and riots or whatever you want to do, find a group of people in your country who are willing to do it with you. This is what chat forums are for. Chatting.:rolleyes: Is there anybody else who joined to plan attacks and what not? Speak now or forever hold your peace.
And for the record, arguing about dead Russians is fun.:closedeyes:


I don't expect RevLeft to be a credible terrorist organisation. I do expect there to be theoretical discussions on something other than what colour uniforms the government should wear during the forty third year of the dictatorship of the proletariat.

[New Tet]

[...]Discussing dead Russians is (usually) neither nationalistic nor racist. It is however irrelivant to genuine left-wing revolutionary struggles.

The praxis of 'genuine left-wing revolutionary struggle' inevitably leads, at some point, to the study of 'dead Russians'. After that the urge to discuss them becomes irresistible.

If that makes you uncomfortable, a career change may be what you need.

[Lyev]

Discussing dead Russians is (usually) neither nationalistic nor racist. It is however irrelivant to genuine left-wing revolutionary struggles

What?? how is discussing dead Russians (Lenin, Trotsky, Bukharin, Plekhanov, etc.) not relevant to left-wing revolutionary struggles? Study of the past, what went well, what went badly, is imperative. I think it's very important to learn lessons from the past. How can you be left-wing and/or revolutionary if you haven't studied the likes of Lenin or Trotsky?? How do you expect to apply your 'left-wing revolutionary' politics? Sorry if I seem a little harsh but maybe that second sentence of yours up there ^ needs rethinking.

[spiltteeth]

I don't expect RevLeft to be a credible terrorist organisation. I do expect there to be theoretical discussions on something other than what colour uniforms the government should wear during the forty third year of the dictatorship of the proletariat.

On a more serious note,

THIS is what kind of uniform the government should wear during the forty third year of the dictatorship of the proletariat

http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae191/spiltteeth/funny_cop_uniform.jpg

It's about respect.

[New Tet]

On a more serious note,

THIS is what kind of uniform the government should wear during the forty third year of the dictatorship of the proletariat

http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae191/spiltteeth/funny_cop_uniform.jpg

It's about respect.

We shouldn't have to wait so long to don spiffy outfits like that. I'm for wearing that NOW!

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Something about that colour just says to me "shoot me... ! shoot me... !"

[spiltteeth]

I think cops wear that so its not so traumatizing for minority children as they watch their parents get viciously beaten for no good reason.

[Raisa]

Thats why the working class never gets anywhere.

People cant be equal if we are always underneath our idols.
We can never be great.
Why do the people with knowlege have to lead the proliteriat to reminisce about idolized dead people and do demonstrations that waste their time when the system is so much more involved then that.

Lenin is not going to come out of the dead to talk to us.
And what he said isnt as relevant as it used to be.
neither is what mao said.
or che.
Its relevant, but we need to think for ourselves alittle more. And not define ourselves by the past. That is counter revolutionary.

[New Tet]

Lenin is not going to come out of the dead to talk to us.

Yes he will! I mean, yes he can!

Every time I read something he wrote, Lenin's life and, more importantly, his mind comes to life in my imagination.

[Plagueround]

Try every post on the middle east or islam.


I would say many people here are ignorant of the middle east and islam, but very few have actually made racist or hateful generalizations. I encounter the same thing with people here and their comments or thoughts on american indians, and in most cases they just didn't know any better. Sometimes, the generalizations actually come from people trying to defend indians.

In the case of islam, The simple fact of the matter is the revolutionary left has a long tradition of rejecting religion, and islam doesn't get a pass simply because the middle east is the latest "project" for imperialists. As I said in the thread you started on the matter, if anyone actually says anything objectionable, I'll be right there alongside you calling for action against them.

[New Tet]

I would say many people here are ignorant of the middle east and islam, but very few have actually made racist or hateful generalizations. I encounter the same thing with people here and their comments or thoughts on american indians, and in most cases they just didn't know any better. Sometimes, the generalizations actually come from people trying to defend indians.

Your post is a case in point. The term "American Indian" is Eurocentric and, in some cases, demeaning. The preferred term is Native American and, if you want to sound snooty and pedantic like me "Aboriginal American" will do just fine.

[willdw79]

Thats why the working class never gets anywhere.

People cant be equal if we are always underneath our idols.
We can never be great.
Why do the people with knowlege have to lead the proliteriat to reminisce about idolized dead people and do demonstrations that waste their time when the system is so much more involved then that.

Lenin is not going to come out of the dead to talk to us.
And what he said isnt as relevant as it used to be.
neither is what mao said.
or che.
Its relevant, but we need to think for ourselves alittle more. And not define ourselves by the past. That is counter revolutionary.
First of all the working class does get somewhere. Would you rather be a worker now or 200 years ago? I believe there is really no comparison.

Although I believe there is some wisdom in your statement, which is past personalities should not be blindly followed or their word taken as gospel, you may be missing an essential component of revolution. That is if you want a revolution, the people gotta know what time it is.

It appears that you are against the system. How do you propose that these "workers" you speak of will achieve a mutual understanding that leads them to revolution? Historically and now coherent ideas are built on past ideas.

Most every organization has a rationale for protesting, but it appears that you are against this too. You may have to read in order to understand why, and it appears that you are somewhat against past ideas. So what do you suggest to be the medium by which this movement you envision engages the system in revolutionary struggle? Or does your vision even require struggle. Or do we just organize into a tiny little army and march off to our doom (all 500 of us).

You should be careful or you will find yourself re-inventing the wheel.

Nihlism cannot make revolution.

[Plagueround]

Your post is a case in point. The term "American Indian" is Eurocentric and, in some cases, demeaning. The preferred term is Native American and, if you want to sound snooty and pedantic like me "Aboriginal American" will do just fine.

You haven't been to a reservation and talked to any indians lately have you? Just wondering, since in the 26 years I've lived on and off reservations, only non-indians fret about making sure they say "native american" and not "indian". Most refer to themselves indians, some use both terms interchangably, and some even take offense to native american. I only use american indian when speaking to an international audience (as this forum is) to avoid confusion.

[FreeFocus]

Your post is a case in point. The term "American Indian" is Eurocentric and, in some cases, demeaning. The preferred term is Native American and, if you want to sound snooty and pedantic like me "Aboriginal American" will do just fine.

Ummm, you do know that Plagueround is Native, correct? I'm also Native and personally I don't like the terms "American Indian" or "Native American," I find it insulting to be called American. So I just call myself Native, since no one is going to know what a "Muscogee" or "Onkwehonwe" is. :lol:

[Plagueround]

Ummm, you do know that Plagueround is a Native, correct? I'm also a Native and personally I don't like the terms "American Indian" or "Native American," I find it insulting to be called American. So I just call myself Native, since no one is going to know what a "Muscogee" or "Onkwehonwe" is. :lol:

I generally say "Yakama" or "Choctaw", but use other terms for the same reason. ;)

[FreeFocus]

I generally say "Yakama" or "Choctaw", but use other terms for the same reason. ;)

Apparently even "Native American" leaves ambiguity for some people. One of my teachers a few years back asked me what my ethnicity was, so I said "Native American" so that she'd understand, but then she said, "From India?" I lol'd :lol:

[Misanthrope]

Yeah i'm sick of all the liberals and anarcho-trots.

damn them for not praising glorious Stalin and Mao

[Il Medico]

I do expect there to be theoretical discussions on what colour uniforms the government should wear during the forty third year of the dictatorship of the proletariat.
I totally agree, there has not been enough serious debate on this issue. While I think this uniform:

http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae191/spiltteeth/funny_cop_uniform.jpg
Would work nicely in the forty second year of the dictatorship of the proletariat; it is far too drab for the forty third year.
I propose something along the lines of these:
http://i.thisislondon.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06/fashion3_243x357.jpg
For the Civil Service
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_04/EltonJohn1_468x350.jpg
For the Firefighters and police respectively.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_UXXtCpkeKiA/Ski24FLzwOI/AAAAAAAAJ-8/pGDPTSVlGgM/s320/michael_jackson.jpg
Air Force.
http://boxwish.com/feature_page/image/1585/large/feature_00934_top_three_flamboyant_fashionistas_in _movies_1.jpg
Army.
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f382/shaydizzle3108/village_people.jpg
Navy.


These are my submissions, I hope to engage in vigorous debate on this issue.

Viva la Revolution!

[New Tet]

Ummm, you do know that Plagueround is Native, correct? I'm also Native and personally I don't like the terms "American Indian" or "Native American," I find it insulting to be called American. So I just call myself Native, since no one is going to know what a "Muscogee" or "Onkwehonwe" is. :lol:

Hey, I'm okay with referring to you as Indian if it pleases you. But, can I ask you a question?

When did it become unclear to say 'Native American'?

[FreeFocus]

Hey, I'm okay with referring to you as Indian if it pleases you. But, can I ask you a question?

When did it become unclear to say 'Native American'?

It's not unclear, unless someone's a dumbass, as was the case with my teacher :lol:. But the original point of contention wasn't that it was unclear, but whether or not it was offensive or was the "preferred term."

[New Tet]

It's not unclear, unless someone's a dumbass, as was the case with my teacher :lol:. But the original point of contention wasn't that it was unclear, but whether or not it was offensive or was the "preferred term."

I agree. Point well taken.

[Bilan]

LOL "we are always right because we are in positions of power" arguments. GOOD LEFTING.

Try every post on the middle east or islam.

...?
No, the CC administers the site. It is an extra forum on the board, and so when racists are on the board, it's brought up there so they can be banned. Try not being a complete fucking moron, asshole.

As for racist: Every post? Even yours?
Please be more specific with your claims.



That's why it's in a separate paragraph. Discussing dead Russians is (usually) neither nationalistic nor racist. It is however irrelivant to genuine left-wing revolutionary struggles.

What's being discussed? Their idea, or their general existence? Use your brain.



Romanticising strikes is when we bring out the confetti and the fake tears because of workers demanding things that are not revolutionary using tactics that are not revolutionary. Every time a worker farts anywhere in the world RevLeft has to hear about it.


That is because the working class is central to communist politics, and combantancy within the working class needs to be taken note of. Workers going on strike isn't "not-revolutionary" any more than it's "revolutionary", or anymore than it's "ice cream". It is an irrelevant categorisation, for the purpose is not to classify something as something it's not, but to realise the potential that arises from that situation.
So, excuse me for finding your accusation of "labour aristocrat" ironic, you smug prat, but mocking communists for highlighting the importance of workers struggles and keeping comrades informed is beyond stupid, and quite fitting for a patronising upper class brat.

For the second time, use. your. brain. asshole.



I don't expect RevLeft to be a credible terrorist organisation. I do expect there to be theoretical discussions on something other than what colour uniforms the government should wear during the forty third year of the dictatorship of the proletariat.

You're an idiot.

[Revy]

It seems to be full of racist labor aristocratic working class nationalists rather than actual revolutionaries or communists.

I mean christ can we do something other than argue about dead Russian people and romanticise strikes for a change.

stfu.

[F9]

I cant believe people "fight" over this and we have silly arguments in chit-chat now...
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