The Communist Party of Second Life...

[☭World Views]

Anyone in with them? Are they legit? I made an account their and they say they are for real.

Second life is an online virtual world. They had an e-protest against fascists and e-shot up a right wing protest.

[which doctor]

I'm not sure if anything on second life is "for real."

[Q]

Too bad this program is still such a hog for your system. My computer just freezed when I logged in and I had to reboot. The concept offers interesting possibilities.

[Sam_b]

They had an e-protest against fascists and e-shot up a right wing protest.

What a load of rubbish. Class struggle cannot be something roleplayed online.

[☭World Views]

What a load of rubbish. Class struggle cannot be something roleplayed online.

I agree 100%.

I still think it has potential to be a breeding ground for possible leftists. But potential is not anything if not acted upon.

Shooting people participating in a virtual reality tea party protest with dragunov rifles is no way to promote class struggle.

[Q]

I agree with World_Views here. Second Life is a new ground to profile yourself, just as websites, blogs and youtube have been. Perhaps even in a more interactive way.

Still too bad that the program is such a hog.

[Dimentio]

Second Life is a capitalist utopia, where most people are more focused on dancing and having sex orgies. But I applaud that move of starting a communist party. ^^

[Dr Mindbender]

if anyone is interested i have started the communist party of home.

think second life but on ps3. I think we currently have 13 members.

[cenv]

Alternatively, if virtual reality doesn't work out for you, you could go join your local communist group.

Not that gaining control of the virtual means of production isn't a worthy goal, mind you.

Workers of the virtual world, unite!

[☭World Views]

lol I have to admit though, they have a really cool virtual Dragunov rifle with a scope that can shoot nuclear explosives http://ui11.gamespot.com/1450/thgun04_4.gif

[Mephisto]

Wouldn't it be better to care about one's first life instead of getting a virtual second one? ;)

[Dr Mindbender]

Wouldn't it be better to care about one's first life instead of getting a virtual second one? ;)
but virtual worlds bring people together that wouldnt otherwise be able to meet.

[Mephisto]

Yes, like this community for example and I have to say I find virtual worlds as you find them in MMORPGs quite interesting. But I must admit that I find it is quite startling that so many people use such virtual worlds to flee from reality. And especially the class struggle is something which would be better brought to the streets and factories rather than a roleplaying game.

[Q]

Yes, like this community for example and I have to say I find virtual worlds as you find them in MMORPGs quite interesting. But I must admit that I find it is quite startling that so many people use such virtual worlds to flee from reality. And especially the class struggle is something which would be better brought to the streets and factories rather than a roleplaying game.
You're dismissing SecondLife because of your wish to have more class struggle, a wish we all share and care about. Yet the fact is that many thousands of people, do "flee away" as you say to SecondLife etc. Thus I think it is obvious for us communists do to something about it and see SL for the (at least) propagandatool it really is.

[Wanted Man]

I don't see the immediate importance of SL. How many people actually use it actively? And out of them, how many would have any interest in your politics? And out of them, how many would actually translate that into something practical?

With the fallacious reasoning applied here, you might as well make an effort for communist parties in World of Warcraft (11.5 million subscribers), Gaia (7 million unique users per month), Runescape (104 million active accounts), etc. and pretend that you're making use of a good propaganda tool. The same logic also justifies putting up posters saying "join the communist party" all over the city, just because it's a medium that "we should use" and millions of people look at bill boards.

It's a convenient substitute for the kind of political work that matters to people. It's also disappointing that people on the left are over-eager to jump at everything that is hyped as "the next big thing" by the media, when it is really not very spectacular at all. It's a completely arbitrary thing for leftists to be pre-occupied with, just like some of us are obsessed with Kautsky, or with the "CPGB" being of vital importance for the left...

[Charles Xavier]

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[Dimentio]

Wouldn't it be better to care about one's first life instead of getting a virtual second one? ;)

A lot of people on SL are middle aged people who want to revive their youth and do stuff they never would dare to do in the real life. It is more hard to explain why 20-year olds are hiding in the realms of World of Warcraft.

[Hit The North]

What a load of rubbish. Class struggle cannot be something roleplayed online.

Why not?

[bricolage]

What a load of rubbish. Class struggle cannot be something roleplayed online.

Particracy? ;)

[The Feral Underclass]

Get off your computer and out into the streets.

[nuisance]

If you're gonna play computer games, I can see it being quite fun saboing right-wingers in the process and potenially recruiting new people. Y'know, playing games doesn't elminate the user from participating in real life organisations aswell.

[The Feral Underclass]

If you're gonna play computer games, I can see it being quite fun saboing right-wingers in the process and potenially recruiting new people. Y'know, playing games doesn't elminate the user from participating in real life organisations aswell.

I suppose that depends on how much time you've got and whether you actually do participate in real life organisation.

[elux]

they arent for real trust me. If you want to do something positive do it in rl.

[Abc]

With the fallacious reasoning applied here, you might as well make an effort for communist parties in World of Warcraft (11.5 million subscribers), Gaia (7 million unique users per month), Runescape (104 million active accounts), etc. and pretend that you're making use of a good propaganda tool.
In World of Warcraft about two years ago i created a guild named "the Azerothian Socialist Workers Party" they made me change the name though because they said it could offend some people

[Q]

In World of Warcraft about two years ago i created a guild named "the Azerothian Socialist Workers Party" they made me change the name though because they said it could offend some people
"Azerothian" is some kind of calling name? ;)

[Hiero]

If you are a dedicated leftists, I would think that the point would be to make a capitalist character on Second Life if you are going to play a virtual game.

[SubVersion]

A small minority of the members of CPSL are bedridden, aged, mobility challenged, or otherwise infirm. They participate in the Communist Party of Second Life because it is all they can do. Then there are those who see this technology as a means for comrades from around the world to share information with each other. There are news boxes with up-to-date news of the day, there are comrades from places like Brazil, Greece, Italy, France, Africa, the Netherlands, Mexico, etc. who share information on real life struggles. Someone from Brazil reports on defending the Brazilian MST, big land owners and conservative politicians in Brazilian National Congress are trying to criminalize the actions of the MST, the Movement of the Landless Rural Workers. CPSL communicates the news around the world. Similarly, as an example, someone with the Zapatistas shares what is happening there and other members can ask questions and get immediate answers. This is not role play, this is utilization of technology achieve class and anti-imperialist goals. As for the fool who says “Get off your computer and out into the streets.” We are also in the streets. The CPSL makes it easier for us to coordinate and these activities.

[Red Isa]

The Communist Party of secondlife is just roleplaying. You should join the Communist Group. Interesting discussions happen there :D

[RedRooskie]

lol I have to admit though, they have a really cool virtual Dragunov rifle with a scope that can shoot nuclear explosives

I made that - VonZipper Kline

[SubVersion]

If all u want to do is change a rule in a game, then i think we are very different. We want to change the world. SL [Second Life] is only a game at worst, a new media structure at best... we want to use the medium / game to get across rl [Real Life] issues and to change the world. Monopoly can become an anti-capitalist game only if capitalism is seen by all as degenerate and old fashioned—then a new game is borne. The corporations will come - and u cannot stop them unless the struggle is outside the game - perhaps using the game.
We actually see the sl struggles as part of our rl struggls - this ensures we get anti fascist messages and anti corporate struggles we partake in in sl - into the rl press and consciousness. we were on the bbc, cnn, british channel 4 news, the guardian newspaper, the new york times, the australian media, and various media across europe because of our work crossing the boundary. An organization is only serious if it is crossing the boundary. if it doesn't, it is playing a game. it is like trying to change the world through playing monopoly. u can only change the strategy in the game - not the rules.

[Chambered Word]

I'd rather be outside, protesting, having fun, doing pushups or something. I broke my RPG game addiction years ago and life's alot better. :)

[ZeroPain]

I was one of the organizers of the Second Life Socialist Party, we were the real deal. We did our best to use SL as a tool to disseminate leftist thought and at our peek we had around a hundred members. However many of our core became inactive and from there it snowballed. Still I would like to think that we helped open a few eyes.

[Dimentio]

Second Life is a capitalist utopia. I find it quite amusing that socialist parties exist there at all.

[ZeroPain]

Second Life is a capitalist utopia. I find it quite amusing that socialist parties exist there at all.

Why not, most people in sl aren't themselves capitalists. Most people who play for more then a short period are there for the social interaction.

Remember that the internet in general could be called a capitalist utopia as-well.
:p

[jake williams]

To the all folks *****ing about people being online, and not out in the streets: what the fuck are you doing on RevLeft?

[Sam_b]

Engaging in political tactics and strategy, rather than roleplaying revolution online. I thought that was obvious.

[Glenn Beck]

I'm not sure if anything on second life is "for real."

I had sex with a real catgirl on Second life.

[ls]

Engaging in political tactics and strategy, rather than roleplaying revolution online. I thought that was obvious.

Do you know that most major capitalist companies actually have quite a lot of capital invested in second life.

Now, you don't have to tell me for a second that it's ridiculous, you know and I know that it is, but it is factually true. Companies and corporations seem to actually put a lot of money into promoting themselves on there, it's fucking stupid.

Someone managed to crash out most of second life with a neat virus, I personally think they are pretty cool whoever they are, so yeah they actually did stop big companies from making quite a profit which was spot-on.

I don't think it is a complete waste of time that, myself. I think starting an active socialist party in second life however is not just a waste of time, but makes us look just as stupid as that bunch of capitalist hacks. Starting some kind of front where people can learn about it or something.. yeah ok, it's exposure, it's like having a blog or something where people can read about it, but actually participating in "online socialism" is beyond pathetic....

[jake williams]

Engaging in political tactics and strategy, rather than roleplaying revolution online. I thought that was obvious.
(Assuming you were responding to me). The point is that a) no one here seriously thinks that the Revolution is going to start (or even occur in a meaningful sense) online and b) people do things other than organizing, demonstrating, taking over factories etc. and that's okay. When they happen to be playing video games - and I'm assuming you're not against playing video games ever - it's not really counterproductive to be playing commie.

[Revy]

I think calling Second Life a "capitalist utopia" is unfair to it. There are many things you can get for free, by participating in the community. I agree that it is not different from the Internet, it just has a visual element. Whatever commercial parts of the game exist are dwarfed by the social uses.

[Hermes Szondi]

The Internet plays an ever-increasing role as an information and communication instrument in the organization of left protest actions, agitation, and subversion. A good example would be the anti- Berlusconi demonstration of December 5, 2009, which was organized by people in Facebook, and mobilized thousands of protestors in the 'real world' .

We can learn from the past experiences of others and hopefully organize Cyperprotests in the future more effectively. These discussions and an exchange of experience could take place in SL.

The direct dialogue in SL makes live, person-to-person discussions possible, which are not possible in an Internet forum.

www
cp-sl.info

[Q]

The direct dialogue in SL makes live, person-to-person discussions possible, which are not possible in an Internet forum.
You mean from avatar to avatar?


www.cp-sl.info (http://www.cp-sl.info)Nice looking website :)

Is it new? It looks very empty still.

[Dimentio]

I see that they have a new HQ.

[BlackPelican]

These people are fakes. I've been there myself and they capitalize off of Communism worse than Hot Topic does. They sell T-Shirts and Soviet guns and tanks. It's pathetic. They're hypocritical, and if anything they themselves need to be shot with dragunovs.

[BeerShaman]

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You said something right for once!
S.l. sucks! (I know, haterz gonna hate!)

[Hermes Szondi]

CPSL has now a new website:

http://

cp2ndlife.wordpress.com