Top 10 Signs that you are a reactionary leftist

[☭World Views]

Let's try to make a list;

Top ten signs you might not be a revolutionary leftist:

Supporting Obama, accepting ALL national "liberation" movements as advancing revleftism (as an example; a movement where the people in a country overthrow imperialistic forces just to replace them with their own capitalistic bourgeois, etc.), seeing the Isreal/Palestinian conflict as "Jews V.S. Palestinians" and putting all Jews into category of bourgeoisie)

[OneNamedNameLess]

Images of Stalin and his beaming, big tash still give you butterflies.

[h0m0revolutionary]

You vote Labour (UK)
You vote Democrat (US)
...
....
.....
... You vote.

[Durruti's Ghost]

You think the cops should disarm the workers "for their own protection".

[Tower of Bebel]

Moved to chit chat

[OneNamedNameLess]

You are an authoritarian mod who restricts freedom of thread movement.

[LeninBalls]

You try make a "Top 10 Signs that you are a reactionary leftist" based on slandering other leftist thoughts and ideologies.

[Tower of Bebel]

You are an authoritarian mod who restricts freedom of thread movement.:ninja:

[☭World Views]

You try make a "Top 10 Signs that you are a reactionary leftist" based on slandering other leftist thoughts and ideologies.

The title of this thread is provoking, but the actual list is "Top ten signs you may not be a revolutionary leftist"

Which does not in itself say whether someone is reactionary or not, just that if one has a symptom they should reflect inward and see if anything is going on.

The signs I posted were chosen after reading threads and trying to see what the consensus were in those threads. :thumbup:

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Your name is radical.

[Jazzratt]

That wasn't 10 things. Get off the stage.

[Pirate Utopian]

But he said "let's make a list" so I assumed he wanted posters to add their stuff and he just gave it a start.

[☭World Views]

But he said "let's make a list" so I assumed he wanted posters to add their stuff and he just gave it a start.


Yes, we must democratically come up with and choose the top 10 signs. All I did was facilitate the introduction.

We are all on the stage.

[Nwoye]

You vote Labour (UK)
You vote Democrat (US)
...
....
.....
... You vote.
god dammit i want to thank the shit out of you right now.

[scarletghoul]

worst
fred
ever

[☭World Views]

worst
fred
ever


You are deliberately lowering the moral of your fellow comrades.

This is serious business and in field-related activities it could get people killed.


Well maybe it's an exaggeration, but still. :confused:

[LOLseph Stalin]

One word: Reformism.

[hugsandmarxism]

If you place "Christian-" infront of your tendency :p

[punisa]

Images of Stalin and his beaming, big tash still give you butterflies.

Oh c'moooon ! I can settle for no voting, I can settle for not liking Obama. I can even research deeper into Israel Palestine conflict,
But don't take this away from me ! :laugh:

Dammit, those capitalists were right - communism does not let you have any fun ! :lol:

Ok, enough of trashing:
- you're a reactionary if you propose unarmed revolution
- you're a reactionary if you think being a revolutionary is cool
- you're a reactionary if leftism is just an outlet for your frustrations cause you ain't "gettin' any"

There are more.

[gorillafuck]

You're a reactionary if you hang to the left

[Luís Henrique]

1. You mistify violence and confuse it with revolution.
2. You believe economic or technological progress will bring socialism, rather than class struggle.
3. You think first world workers are not actually exploited.
4. You believe third world countries are pre-capitalist.
5. You believe socialism is possible in one only country.
6. You believe workers should not take political action.
7. You think the working class is a pure essence that never commits mistakes; all that goes wrong is the fault of the "leadership".
8. You think that religion can be somehow "abolished" without its conditions being suppressed.
9. You think socialism is about increasing productivity.
10. You are unable to analyse strenght relations, or believe they are unnecessary.

Pronto, this list should make me impopular with all tendencies.

Luís Henrique

[9]

1. You mistify violence and confuse it with revolution.
2. You believe economic or technological progress will bring socialism, rather than class struggle.
3. You think first world workers are not actually exploited.
4. You believe third world countries are pre-capitalist.
5. You believe socialism is possible in one only country.
6. You believe workers should not take political action.
7. You think the working class is a pure essence that never commits mistakes; all that goes wrong is the fault of the "leadership".
8. You think that religion can be somehow "abolished" without its conditions being suppressed.
9. You think socialism is about increasing productivity.
10. You are unable to analyse strenght relations, or believe they are unnecessary.

Pronto, this list should make me impopular with all tendencies.

Luís Henrique

Better than anything I could have shat out. :)
I'd have thanked it, but its in chit chat, so I can't.

[9]

If you have an anime avatar and a username called "hugs'n'marxism" followed by a title which proclaims "liberalism = adorable" :laugh:
Granted, that's more irony than reactionary.

[LOLseph Stalin]

If you have an anime avatar and a username called "hugs'n'marxism" followed by a title which proclaims "liberalism = adorable" :laugh:
Granted, that's more irony than reactionary.

:p

[RHIZOMES]

Half of the ones mentioned so far are sectarian jabs more than "sign of a reactionary leftist".

[9]

Half of the ones mentioned so far are sectarian jabs more than "sign of a reactionary leftist".

Haha, I can't imagine any other outcome of a thread listing "tenets" of a "reactionary leftist"

[The Feral Underclass]

People who think the working class need leadership.

[Luís Henrique]

Oh, yes.

11. You believe the working class doesn't have a leadership.

Luís Henrique

[9]

You're a reactionary if you hang to the left

Hang to the left?:confused:

[Charles Xavier]

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[red cat]

1)-10) You do not uphold and support the revolutionary line of your country.

[Sam_b]

You care about posts on revleft.

[LOLseph Stalin]

You care about posts on revleft.

And we have a winner. :lol:

[gorillafuck]

Hang to the left?:confused:
A true revolutionaries penis will hang to the right.

[NecroCommie]

A true revolutionaries penis will hang to the right.
Your penis hangs?!

EDIT: Wohoo! This is the way to reach 600 posts!

[9]

A true revolutionaries penis will hang to the right.

But I have a vajayjay. :(

Since when does our post count go up in chit chat?

Also, can somebody give Sam_b some Manischewitz and a philly, he's making my heart hurt.

[cb9's_unity]

accepting ALL national "liberation" movements as advancing revleftism (as an example; a movement where the people in a country overthrow imperialistic forces just to replace them with their own capitalistic bourgeois, etc.)


In short, the Communists everywhere support every revolutionary movement against the existing social and political order of things.

Oh my, Marx was reactionary? This is certainly news to me.

[Luís Henrique]

In short, the Communists everywhere support every revolutionary movement against the existing social and political order of things.

Luís Henrique

[Jazzratt]

Oh my, Marx was reactionary? This is certainly news to me.

Well shit, if the omniscient and infallible Marx supports you what option do we have but to agree? :rolleyes:

[SoupIsGoodFood]

Fuck your opinion.

[hugsandmarxism]

If you have an anime avatar and a username called "hugs'n'marxism" followed by a title which proclaims "liberalism = adorable" :laugh:
Granted, that's more irony than reactionary.

Hey, keep my avatar out of this :lol:

[willdw79]

You are deliberately lowering the moral of your fellow comrades.

This is serious business and in field-related activities it could get people killed.


Well maybe it's an exaggeration, but still. :confused:
He is doing the work of COINTELPRO!

[Angry Young Man]

Moved to chit chat
Jumping Jesus you mean it didn't start here?

[☭World Views]

What should be changed? What have been good suggestions, and what have been bad suggestions? At another site someone said some things. The other person's text is ITALICIZED.

2. 2. Accepting ALL national "liberation" movements as advancing revleftism (as an example; a movement where the people in a country overthrow imperialistic forces just to replace them with their own capitalistic bourgeois, etc.)

When imperialism attempts to reduce a sovereign nation to a semi-colony, it is in the interests of all progressive factions to struggle together to resist imperialist domination. These factions need not represent the working class to objectively advance the interests of the revolutionary class."

But can't you fight the imperialists and the nationalists at the same time?

"Marxist science proves that first world workers are not exploited"

12. You believe socialism is possible in one country

"It’s is not a belief or an opinion, but a matter of record. The historical accomplishments of socialism in the USSR and the People’s Republic of China are a testament to this fact."

[Luís Henrique]

"Marxist science proves that first world workers are not exploited"

Oh yes? And how exactly does "Marxist science" prove that first world workers are not exploited?


"It’s is not a belief or an opinion, but a matter of record. The historical accomplishments of socialism in the USSR and the People’s Republic of China are a testament to this fact."

Well, if that was socialism, than no, thanks.

But of course, only by the most absurd distortion of the meaning of the word "socialism" would one be able to claim that as "socialism". Socialism, for us, Marxists, is the rule of the working class. How was the working class ever ruling anything in the Soviet Union?

Luís Henrique

[9]

What should be changed? What have been good suggestions, and what have been bad suggestions? At another site someone said some things. The other person's text is ITALICIZED.

2. 2. Accepting ALL national "liberation" movements as advancing revleftism (as an example; a movement where the people in a country overthrow imperialistic forces just to replace them with their own capitalistic bourgeois, etc.)

When imperialism attempts to reduce a sovereign nation to a semi-colony, it is in the interests of all progressive factions to struggle together to resist imperialist domination. These factions need not represent the working class to objectively advance the interests of the revolutionary class."

But can't you fight the imperialists and the nationalists at the same time?

"Marxist science proves that first world workers are not exploited"

12. You believe socialism is possible in one country

"It’s is not a belief or an opinion, but a matter of record. The historical accomplishments of socialism in the USSR and the People’s Republic of China are a testament to this fact."

If you're genuinely looking to engage people on this forum about the validity of different methods and positions advocated by different sects/people within the revolutionary left, I'm not sure that starting a thread proclaiming "this, this, and this constitute reactionary leftism" is a productive avenue to achieving your goal. It just puts everyone on the defensive and will undoubtedly lead to the kind of sectarian shit-slinging that plagues the revolutionary left (as well as revleft.com) and makes it all the more difficult to genuinely engage diversions in opinion/strategy/theory.
A better approach, in my opinion, would be to post a thread asking for clarification of a specific position/strategy/theory that you disagree with from those members who hold that particular position/strategy/theory. This isn't to say we should all hold hands and sing songs, nor is it primarily an ethical disagreement I have with your methods. It is merely a matter of practicality because sectarianism tends to fester on this forum and place any prospect of genuine engagement regarding divergent theories amongst revolutionaries completely out of reach.