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OneNamedNameLess
30th August 2009, 23:49
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1745000/images/_1746914_eln1502bbc.jpg http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:9KjPDRiSBt0k6M:http://magilu.blog.terra.com.co/files/2009/01/eln2.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://magilu.blog.terra.com.co/files/2009/01/eln2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://magilu.blog.terra.com.co/2009/01/19/publican-alinza-hecha-en-2006-entre-ejercito-y-eln-contra-las-farc/&usg=___U3AwJp5_72E3z7TaXOaZgkEvY0=&h=2050&w=3000&sz=802&hl=en&start=36&um=1&tbnid=9KjPDRiSBt0k6M:&tbnh=103&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3DELN%2Bpics%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26rl s%3Dcom.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7DKUK_en-GB%26sa%3DN%26start%3D18%26um%3D1)

I know, they look cool and all that. Guns! Wow! Masks! Commies! Great!

In the past few weeks we have discussed the FARC once or twice on the general forums. I thought it would be interesting to initiate a discussion on the rather small armed leftist group known as the ELN.

Some info on the ELN:

FARC and ELN were both founded in the 1960s, after Colombia’s two main political parties ended more than a decade of political violence and agreed to share power. In 1963, students, Catholic radicals, and left-wing intellectuals hoping to emulate Fidel Castro’s communist revolution in Cuba founded ELN. FARC formed in 1965, bringing together communist militants and peasant self-defense groups.

Although ELN is more ideological than FARC, the two groups have similar programs: Both say they represent the rural poor against Colombia’s wealthy classes and oppose U.S. influence in Colombia, the privatization of natural resources, multinational corporations, and rightist violence. In 2006, the ELN decided to shift its political strategy to urban areas. There are indications it would like official political recognition, but it has not stated clearly what such recognition would entail.

The two groups have an ambiguous relationship; in some parts of the country they cooperate, while in others they have clashed directly.



The smaller ELN , which operates mainly in northeastern Colombia, is estimated to have between 2,200 and 3,000 members, which marks a significant reduction in military capability since the late 1990s. Advances by AUC paramilitaries, competition with the FARC, and more aggressive government security forces all contribute to the ELN ’s weakening. Several ELN units are trained for special operations, however, and are skilled in explosive weapons manufacturing.

The FARC and ELN cooperate in some parts of the country, but armed clashes have occurred between the two groups in other areas.


The ELN 's primary income source is also drug trafficking, a shift from the ransom or "protection" payments that accounted for much of its funding in the 1980s, and the kidnappings that produced revenue in the 1990s. Colombian government sources believe this latest shift occurred between 2005 and 2007, which coincides with increased ELN activity on the Pacific coast and Venezuelan border, coca-growing regions, and drug-trafficking zones.

The ELN, which is also known for kidnapping wealthy Colombians for ransom, uses bombing campaigns and extortion against multinational and domestic oil companies. ELN attacks on oil pipelines have killed civilians and drawn the attention of the Bush administration, which has suggested training the Colombian armed forces to protect oil facilities.

There is evidence the FARC and the ELN are also involved in kidnappings across the border in Venezuela (WashPost) (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/12/AR2008021202762.html). According to the Venezuelan government, 382 people were taken hostage in 2007, up from 232 the previous year.


I suggest you have a read as people are not as familiar with the ELN as they are with the FARC.

So how do you feel about the ELN? Do you support them? I'm just attempting to trigger a general discussion here and hopefully attaract more information on the organisation.

Radical
31st August 2009, 00:40
I wholey support ELN and FARC. Rich Capitalists are not innocent, they exploit and oppress innocent people. It is not an act of terrorism to kidnap and hold such people for ransom. ELN have never purposly attacked civilians. Mistakes are made in War.

I have never seen a single credible source that says the ELN and FARC sell drugs. I understand FARC and ELN to only tax Drug Lords.

ELN and FARC are a belligerent force. They have been forced into a hostile situation where they are forced to make difficult decisions in order to keep the resistance alive.

OneNamedNameLess
31st August 2009, 01:00
I have found an awesome report which can be read for free on child combatants in Colombia. I had a look several weeks ago.

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2003/colombia0903/

I may post this in the literature section too. It includes information on the paramilitaries too. It's called 'You'll Learn Not To Cry:Child Combatants in Colombia'.

Mälli
31st August 2009, 07:35
Those scarves are not good for battle, You'll see those from far away.

Das war einmal
31st August 2009, 09:11
I have found an awesome report which can be read for free on child combatants in Colombia. I had a look several weeks ago.

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2003/colombia0903/

I may post this in the literature section too. It includes information on the paramilitaries too. It's called 'You'll Learn Not To Cry:Child Combatants in Colombia'.
If this is all correct its too morally explicit to be allowed. However,
it's made by HRW, a biased organisation bound to demonize communist movements. Quickly skimming the article I conclude they take uncritically stance for the government. Literally stating the following: 'Human Rights Watch has received no credible reports that children continue to serve in the regular armed forces or the police.' , without giving real credible reports themselves.

OneNamedNameLess
31st August 2009, 12:08
If this is all correct its too morally explicit to be allowed. However,
it's made by HRW, a biased organisation bound to demonize communist movements. Quickly skimming the article I conclude they take uncritically stance for the government. Literally stating the following: 'Human Rights Watch has received no credible reports that children continue to serve in the regular armed forces or the police.' , without giving real credible reports themselves.

The report also gets stuck into the paramilitaries. I would say that the description of the paramilitaries is more gruesome than what they report on the FARC and ELN. Are you suggesting this is all lies or something? Why do you think so many people desert the FARC and ELN?

el_chavista
31st August 2009, 17:33
You can't speak about the ELN without mentioning Camilo Torres, the priest-guerrillero:
http://www.camilovive.org/crono/images/zoom/politico/thumbs/59.jpg

I believe that the Communist Party has truly revolutionary elements, and therefore I can not be anti-communist as a Colombian, nor as a sociologist, nor as a Christian, nor as a priest.



I'm not anti-communist as a Colombian, because anti-communism aims to prosecute fellow dissidents, Communist or otherwise, the majority of whom are poor.

I'm not anti-communist as a sociologist, because in the common approach to combating poverty -hunger, illiteracy, homelessness, lack of services for the people- communist statements may be effective and scientific solutions.

I'm not anti-communist as a Christian because I believe that anti-communism leads to a condemnation of all what Communists defend and, among what they advocate, there are some things just and unjust. When we condemn all of them together, we are exposed to equally condemn the just and the unjust, and that is anti-Christian.

I'm not anti-communist as a priest because, although even the Communists themselves do not know, among them may be many who are true Christians. If they are in good faithful they may have the sanctifying grace, and if they have the sanctifying grace and love for neighbors they will be saved.