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bellyscratch
30th August 2009, 13:59
New research shows oxygen depletion in the atmosphere accelerating since 2003, coinciding with the biofuels boom; climate policies that focus exclusively on carbon sequestration could be disastrous for all oxygen-breathing organisms including humans -- Dr. Mae-Wan Ho
Change in land use, and increased oxidation of nitrogen could explain the long term steady decline in atmospheric O2, and may well also account for the sharp acceleration of the downward trend since 2002 and 2003.

These years happen to coincide with record rates of deforestation. In Brazil, 10 000 square miles were lost mainly to pasture land, soybean plantations and illegal logging, a 40 percent rise over the previous year [14]. Massive deforestation has continued in the Amazon and elsewhere, spurred by the biofuels boom [15]; it is estimated that nearly 40 000 ha of the world’s forests are vanishing every day.

The crucial role of forests and phytoplankton [4] in oxygenating the earth shows how urgent it is to take oxygen accounting seriously in climate policies. Reductionist accounting for CO2 alone is insufficient, and even grossly misleading and dangerous.

A case in point is the proposal of the International Biochar Initiative (IBI). ‘Biochar’ is charcoal produced to be buried in the soil that IBI has been promoting worldwide over the past several years [16] as a means of sequestering carbon from the atmosphere to save the climate and enhance soil fertility. It involves planting fast growing tree and various other crops on hundreds of millions of hectares of ‘spare land’ mostly in developing countries, to be harvested and turned into charcoal in a process that could produce crude oil and gases as low grade fuels. There are many excellent arguments against this initiative [17], but the most decisive is that it will certainly further accelerate deforestation and destruction of other natural ecosystems (identified as ‘spare land’). In the process, it could precipitate an oxygen crisis from which we would never recover [18] (Beware the Biochar Initiative, SiS 44).

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/08/437048.html

Revy
31st August 2009, 20:06
So I'm guessing the future Earth will be like Mars? :crying: All CO2 , very little oxygen.

That's unless we stop our destruction of the environment.

I am very much against biofuels at least the kind which uses crops for fuel. That is not necessary at all. The focus should be on solar panels and wind turbines, using the waves and tides for energy as well. We also need to use hemp for paper, which reduces logging. Of course, all this isn't really that easy in a capitalist society built on profit. Hemp while an environmentally friendly and fast growing alternative to conventional wood paper, is illegal , at least in countries like the US where it is conflated with marijuana (which also should be legal).

yeah this shit makes me RAAAAAAGE.

ÑóẊîöʼn
31st August 2009, 20:11
That article is useless without numbers - how much oxygen is disappearing, and how fast? It doesn't say.

Unfortunately it seems articles like this are all too common among the environmental left, which seems to favour rhetoric over hard facts.

Dr Mindbender
31st August 2009, 22:21
If it takes a billion years for O2 levels to become dangerously low to humans, then you'll forgive me if i don't lose sleep over it.

thethinkingchimp
1st September 2009, 02:09
Was there any more to the article? Did they reveal where they tested the atmosphere, or how often in was tested over a period of time?

bellyscratch
1st September 2009, 10:58
That article is useless without numbers - how much oxygen is disappearing, and how fast? It doesn't say.

Unfortunately it seems articles like this are all too common among the environmental left, which seems to favour rhetoric over hard facts.

Sorry, thats my bad for giving the link to where I found the article and not the full article. Forgot to explain that too.

http://www.i-sis.org.uk/O2DroppingFasterThanCO2Rising.php

ÑóẊîöʼn
1st September 2009, 13:30
So the guy predicts terrible disasters if nothing is done about oxygen levels which are dropping at a glacial ~4ppm/year. In an atmosphere in which oxygen takes up 209,460ppm.

Smells like someone is angling for funding to me.

Dr Mindbender
1st September 2009, 21:48
So the guy predicts terrible disasters if nothing is done about oxygen levels which are dropping at a glacial ~4ppm/year. In an atmosphere in which oxygen takes up 209,460ppm.

Smells like someone is angling for funding to me.

...so in other words we've got about 50 000 years left before theres a problem.

Crisis over then.

bcbm
5th September 2009, 04:48
So the guy predicts terrible disasters if nothing is done about oxygen levels which are dropping at a glacial ~4ppm/year. In an atmosphere in which oxygen takes up 209,460ppm.


The rate at which they're dropping appears to be increasing, as I understand the article, most likely in relation to human destruction of the forests and ocean oxygen producing life. As neither of these two things seems likely to slow down in the near future, presumably the rate at which oxygen declines would also rise.



...so in other words we've got about 50 000 years left before theres a problem.

Crisis over then.

If you read the article it points out that oxygen levels below 19.5 percent are dangerous for humans. That would means oxygen at 195005.1831 ppm in the atmosphere. Assuming a steady rate (which is unlikely) of decline of 4ppm per year, we're left with about 3600 years in fact. Obviously this is still a long time, but if the rates continue to increase that number will continue to decrease and so I think being more concerned about this isn't really a bad thing.

butterfly
5th September 2009, 05:16
Thx 4 clearing dat up Bcbm. There are effects that will become evident far before the earth is completely depleted of oxygen:rolleyes:, effects that are affecting communities NOW.