Anti-fascism isn’t working

[bellyscratch]

An article from Red Pepper
http://www.redpepper.org.uk/Anti-fascism-isn-t-working

The introduction

The British National Party’s continuing electoral advances have propelled the party onto the national stage and initiated a debate about why it is achieving historically unprecedented results for the far right in Britain. What is driving its recent successes, how might it be stopped and what is the role of the left in this effort? This debate is essentially over strategy: about our relation to anti-fascism and what it ought to be in today’s conditions. There is one question that is not being asked, though: is ‘anti-fascism’ the answer to the BNP? Keiron Farrow says it isn’t


Response from Paul Meszaros of Hope not Hate
http://www.redpepper.org.uk/A-winning-formula

Response from Paul White of the Green Party
http://www.redpepper.org.uk/Beating-back-the-BNP-in-Barnsley

[F9]

Weak Anti-fascism indeed dont works, as anything dont works if its weak..
If the movement is strong though with popular support, and society dont feels rejecting of it, it is working, and it can works pretty well.

Greece is always a good example..

[heiss93]

I would reccomend reading the activist section of the BNP website activist handbook to "know thy enemy", particularly the parts that show how they have cleaned up their act. They even have a prep sheet on how to explain they are not really racist, and perfectly reasonable, civil, and common sense. And to be perfectly frank, you might actually find some of their activism tactics useful for leftist organizations, as if we are honest, the far-right has had more success capitalizing on the recent failure of the center-right than the left has. The BNP has learned from their American cousins who advocate the exact same positions as European skinheads, but wear respectable suits and are "mainstream" Republicans.

[AntifaAustralia]

Antifascism AKA Communism and socialism definately isn't working in most 1st world nations, exception is some european nations.

Should have seen how successful some antifa campaigns were during and after WW2 war against Nationalism (japan/germany/italy). Clearly Globalisation is Nationalism, england and USA is turning Fascist economic wise. Capitalism is so similar to fascism, remarkable.

WW2 we had communist anti-fascist china, russia, burma, vietnam, north korea, spain, sotuh america? (don know much about them) eastern block.....

modern day anti-fascists now need to tackle the USA, and capitalist bastards. Middle east, south east asia, south america, africa are the countries to look out for to attack the capitalist bastards :) 3rd world revolution, nepal is in one now! Venezuela too!

So to answer your question, 3rd world nations are the green light, the rich nations are the red light, Unless we computer tapping rich capitalist nation dwelling fellas join the revoliution :) YEAH! SOLIDARITY!

[Holden Caulfield]

^Bullshit if you think the first world is incapable of revolution, and if you think the nations you mentioned are communist or perfect, inncorrect theory often paves the way to fascism (Chile, Germany etc).

How is the UK turning 'fascist' economy wise exactly? It is capitalist, but what do you think makes it fascist?

I think you are passionate about antifascism but I think you are getting a little hysterical on some issues and that you are wrong on others.

[AntifaAustralia]

^Bullshit if you think the first world is incapable of revolution, and if you think the nations you mentioned are communist or perfect, inncorrect theory often paves the way to fascism (Chile, Germany etc).

How is the UK turning 'fascist' economy wise exactly? It is capitalist, but what do you think makes it fascist?

I think you are passionate about antifascism but I think you are getting a little hysterical on some issues and that you are wrong on others.
Sorry for not expanding brother.

Globalisation, do you think us conservative fat cat dwellers of rich society are going to sympathise with starving coloured people and muslims etc in other countries? yeah we might have the odd lefty minority advocating social justice, but our struggles will fail, too much happiness factor in first world nations. We probably need war or some extreme armageddon like recession to start a revolution in eg. USA

Fascists fascinatingly have been defeated by communists and capitalists quite successfully, i should say internationalists defeating ultra-Nationalists

I would say the USA or UK isn't entirely fascist because that's silly, you probably need to replace fascist with imperialist, my bad, i used fascist as a derogatory term probably and exaggerated their imperialism.

,1st world nations are imperialists, through globalisation they set migration rules for a nation, secure resources in foreign nations, attempt to promote their filthy capitalist culture by media, exploit the workers labour to profit the wealthy especially wealthy Nations
, you already know this stuff, i didn't explain properly earlier.

and dont call me an idiot mate:glare:

[The Ungovernable Farce]

Sorry for not expanding brother.

Globalisation, do you think us conservative fat cat dwellers of rich society are going to sympathise with starving coloured people and muslims etc in other countries? yeah we might have the odd lefty minority advocating social justice, but our struggles will fail, too much happiness factor in first world nations.
Survive for 6 months on the dole, or get a minimum wage job as an all-night cleaner, then come back and tell me there's too much happiness factor in the first world.

[h0m0revolutionary]

,1st world nations are imperialists, through globalisation they set migration rules for a nation, secure resources in foreign nations, attempt to promote their filthy capitalist culture by media, exploit the workers labour to profit the wealthy especially wealthy Nations
, you already know this stuff, i didn't explain properly earlier.



Go tell that to antifa, they'll boot you out the fucking orginisation mate.

[AntifaAustralia]

Survive for 6 months on the dole, or get a minimum wage job as an all-night cleaner, then come back and tell me there's too much happiness factor in the first world.
The dole is fundamentally a tool used to make the starving shut up in a capitalist society, it is a basic and meaningless form of community assistance. now a true left gov would provide jobs for all.

Happiness factor is working in the majority of the population and that is democracy for you friend, democracy in one nation not the world.The revolution of people of low socio-economic minorities in a nation? i dont think so, especially in a nation filled with ignorant middle class/petty bourgeois.

Go tell that to antifa, they'll boot you out the fucking orginisation mate.

Sorry i was just thinking empathetically from the eyes of a person starving in 3rd world nation where their petty bourgeis are factory workers.

in what ways would they kick me out:confused: i'm not aware of any set antifa rules, complete anarchy if you tell me, ohh it it my communist ideas?