What are your views on the election of Barack Obama and his effect on leftist revolut

[Omegared]

What do you all think about Obama, friend or foe?????

[Rusty Shackleford]

Foe. he saps the energy of potentially revolutionary people with his talk about change and all that. lulling them into believing his administration can actually benefit the majority of the population.

All presidents in this nation are bourgeois. They are a class enemy. i dont know much about his economic policies but i heard he was a neolib. but he seems to follow Keynesian principles with bailouts and cash for clunkers.(dont quote me on this though, like i said, i dont know much about his policies) either way, he is a promoter of capitalism.

Also, you cant really bring about fundamental change from the top. it must come from the bottom, the source of society. the workers.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

William De-FOE!!!!!!

A Capitalist is a Capitalist. I cannot stand any Liberal who champions him as the messiah. It is ridiculous, there is a complete cult of personality created around that man and it has served to make his followers completely indoctrinated. Nothing but workers revolution brings CHANGE.

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Change we can believe in.

[Q]

What do you all think about Obama, friend or foe?????
He's a representative of capital. One with the task of making the workers bleed for a crisis that is not theirs.

[bellyscratch]

Foe. he saps the energy of potentially revolutionary people with his talk about change and all that. lulling them into believing his administration can actually benefit the majority of the population.

I think this is very true for the moment. Hopefully though, people will soon realise that he will change nothing, and that could possibly be something the left can work with. If people do start to realise that none of these 'leaders' have the answer then the real left have to get their arses in gear.

But at the end of the day, the US is not going to be one of the first countries in the world to start a revolution. Especially when many people think voting for Ron Paul is going to be a 'revolution'. Sadly, it is possible that once Obama shows everyone he isn't the answer, someone like Ron Paul could appear to be the solution.

[New Tet]

Well-intentioned as Obama may be, he is the foe of revolution.

However, it doesn't necessarily mean that his actions as president of the U.S. won't sharpen the class struggle and put us a little closer to the day of deliverance.

For example, the latest controversy over the health care reform bill has served to divide many people along class lines since the majority who support it are working class people and those who oppose it are either capitalists or people who obviously want capitalist interests to prevail.

This issue may not necessarily lead to emancipation (and most likely will not), but history teaches us that revolutions always begin over seemingly trivial and unrelated conflicts.

[chegitz guevara]

What do you all think about Obama, friend or foe?????

Obama is both friend and foe. He is, unintentionally, a friend to the left for two reasons. One, being tarred a "socialist" the word has lost negative connotations in America (except among the loony right). One fifth of all Americans and one third of its youth think socialism is better than capitalism. Of course, almost certainly they think of socialism as the Swedish model, but it opens the possibility of us being able to talk to the masses of Americas about what socialism really is. Nearly half of all Americans and almost two thirds of youth question capitalism, again with the caveat above. No longer will most Americans simply dismiss our ideas.

The second reason why Obama is an unintentional friend is that his politics may be driving a wedge between the left-wing of the Democrats and the rest of the party. This has created an opportunity for the socialist movement we need to exploit.

On the other hand, Obama is manager of the Empire, he is our enemy. He's a war criminal, has worked to save capitalism by looting the workers and handing their money over to the incompetent capitalists who created the current mess, etc. He is very aware of his role, too. He told the bankers he's the only one standing between them and the pitchforks. His administration has told Congress it expects and upsurge in extremism (us) because of the economic situation. Make no bones about it, Obama is our enemy.

[Omegared]

Since Obama took office and every day after, I noticed more and more that he is just as bought and paid for by the corporate elite as are all other US presidents, but he is worse because he masquerades as a socialist leading masses of people to believe their lives will be greatly changed as he bails-out top bankers and ceo's as they pillage whats left of the land and flee for forign shores.

I absolutely despise this situation because I majored in Political Science at a Historically Black university and I live a black neighborhood and the only people that could see through the facade of at least question obama's policies and motives were other political/social science students.

I'm relieved to see some real leftists not buying that fake-ass bullshit!!!!!!!!

Thanx u all!!!!

A film that explains this in detail is called The Obama Decpetion
watch it for free at:

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7886780711843120756

[Coggeh]

A film that explains this in detail is called The Obama Decpetion
watch it for free at:

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7886780711843120756
Is that the documentary that paints obama as the head of the Illuminati or some shit :closedeyes:

[Muzk]

Is that the documentary that paints obama as the head of the Illuminati or some shit :closedeyes:

Yeah, such things are retarded.

Like this user image http://i1.ytimg.com/i/tNqZM4d-QHPGOzFunnJmfg/1.jpg?v=6e766a

Channel being http://www.youtube.com/user/Schwadron88

:/ nazis... everyone who is not one of them is a jew

[Omegared]

No, it explains how he (along with other presidents) are tools of top wall street bankers, and captians of industry. I cant say i agreed with all of it but it wasn't bad though. And i already knew how his cabinet was full of re-runs from the bush and clinton admins.

[cb9's_unity]

In all honesty, he seems like a decent guy. However he is showing that he is not much more than a liberal bourgeois politician. For this reason he will never be our friend politically and socialists from the beginning have never thought of him as a friend.

[fidzboi]

The one thing I think I will always remember about Barack Obama is the night he was elected. I was living in my old flat, and beneath us lived some Nigerian Born Again Christians. Nice enough people, but unfortunately they conducted very loud and very annoying prayer sessions on a regular basis - which trust me, is not something you want to live above. :closedeyes:

Anyway, I was there watching the results come in on the news and when he was announced as being the next President of the United States, downstairs erupted into celebration. Real joyous, jumping around celebration. And it excited me, it really did. That these people who were not from the US, nor lived there, were so ecstatic about his election, really brought home to me the significance of his Presidency. Certainly the significance of it through the eyes of 'black' people.

Don't get me wrong, he's a 'foe'. A typical politician - read bastard - who's not even 'left wing' enough to support nationalised healthcare. And who's first job out of college was working for none other than Mr. Henry Kissinger - a guy who makes George Bush look like a liberal! :ohmy:

And I'd second the recommendation of the documentary The Obama Deception, which despite being made by people with some questionable world outlooks - they seemed like right wing libertarians with a strong conspiracy fetish to me - is still a good undressing of him. And anyone with an iota of common sense will simply take on board the facts whilst dismissing some of the more outlandish suggestions.

But still, despite being a 'foe', him being President has led to certain boundaries of political discourse being redrawn. As chegitz guevara pointed out with regards the use of the word 'socialist'. In effect, his election, the platform he stood on and his ethnicity, has served to draw political discourse in America towards issues of rich vs poor, rather than focusing on issues such as God vs science. Which isn't a bad thing.

Rather, it's a sign that normal people are now putting more emphasis on these issues, that these issues are becoming more significant, and that is certainly not a bad thing.

[Ohnoatard]

Obama is a bourgeois politician, nuff said!

He is continuing Bush's policies, that's 'Change you can deceive in!'

[JimmyJazz]

As a side point, there is absolutely no conceivable justification for "supporting" or even "critically supporting" Chavez and not doing the same for Obama. Their model for change is the same.

[chegitz guevara]

Obama has a model for change?