Maoist-Thirdworldists in Sweden

[Dimentio]

http://www.sr.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=3297&artikel=2444090

Well, this shows what could happen when a political movement goes completely nutters, and that is the nice summary. ^^

[Absolut]

Are these the same maoists that tried to incite a rebellion amongst the farmers?

[internasyonalista]

maoism-thirdwordism is bankrupt ideology. not only that...it became like a fanatic and fundamentalist sect like the Al-Qaueda, obsessed with anti-US imperialism as "enemy number one".

[Dimentio]

maoism-thirdwordism is bankrupt ideology. not only that...it became like a fanatic and fundamentalist sect like the Al-Qaueda, obsessed with anti-US imperialism as "enemy number one".

In the Philippines maybe. In Sweden, they turned even more nutter and started to live in "cells" where they purged themselves from all the "bourgeois thoughts".

I have heard there is a maoist rebel in the Philippines who calls himself "Commander Robot" after his favourite movie, "Robocop". That is a little peculiar.

[Dimentio]

Are these the same maoists that tried to incite a rebellion amongst the farmers?

They knocked door and tried to "convert" people to MTW. When that failed, they actually tried to occupy the PRC embassy in Stockholm after being denied Chinese citizenship.

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haha, "nutters" is definitely the appropriate term. "Combating liberalism" indeed. :rolleyes:

[Saorsa]

In the Philippines maybe. In Sweden, they turned even more nutter and started to live in "cells" where they purged themselves from all the "bourgeois thoughts".

The Communist Party of the Philippines and it's military and political fronts, the New People's Army and the National Democratic Front, are not Maoist Third Worldist. They are Maoists, and there is a difference. They don't see the first world workers as being all parasites, and they do not advocate a People's War by the Third World countries against the First World ones. Glad we've dealt with that.

As for calling the CPP "bankrupt", it is by far the largest revolutionary organisation in the Philippines, has hundreds of guerilla fronts operating, penetration into and ideological influence over practically every trade union and mass workers organisation in the country, a mass support base amongst the workers and peasants, and the Philippino state is incapable of defeating it.

Seriously, "technocrats" and anarchists are the last people who should be laughing at a mass based revolutionary organisation and calling it "bankrupt".


I have heard there is a maoist rebel in the Philippines who calls himself "Commander Robot" after his favourite movie, "Robocop". That is a little peculiar.

A source would be nice. And even if is true, which I doubt, it's not labels that matter but political content and practical actions. The Philippino Maoists are sound on both those counts.

[Bankotsu]

http://www.sr.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=3297&artikel=2444090

Well, this shows what could happen when a political movement goes completely nutters, and that is the nice summary. ^^

That is similar to the weather underground in the USA.

Crazy period, the 60s.

Too much agitprop back then.

Cold War - Episode 13 - Make Love Not War, the 60s
http://www.internationalschoolhistory.net/coldwar_documentary/13-makelove.htm

[Dimentio]

I don't know so very much about the Communist Party of the Philippines. I know its not MTW, since MTW is an exclusively western phenomenon. The Rebel Movement in Sweden 1968 though... that was a weird movement. ^^

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

As a Swedish-American Maoist, I have never heard of this group, but now I am rather intrigued.

It seems though that in many countries in the west, there are examples of strange small parties in the 1960's going absolutely batshit insane and falling into terrible lines that only defeast themselves: the Weather Underground and Symbionese Liberation Army in America, the Red Army Fraction in Germany, and I guess these strange cats. They all seem to have a common thread: a line filled with politics of despair and desperation. They engaged in actions regardless of their relation to the situation at hand and their effect on the workers, the student movements, and the people as a whole. In fact, for the most part, their actions were completely ineffective in their impact on the institutions and the transformation of popular opinion. Instead of building a mass movement, they disconnected themselves from the masses and attempted to take the revolution underground. In the end, they only brought down themselves. It is the antithesis of Mao's declaration to "Serve the People" and to go deep into the roots of the masses, into the thick of the struggle.

Comrade Fred Hampton called stuff like this (in discussing the Weathermen): "anarchistic, opportunistic, individualistic, chauvinistic, Custeristic,..." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ9zPySHbuY)

Fuck that shit, I'm gonna go make revolution.

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Oh, and btw, the "Maoist"-ThirdWorldists are against the Communist Party of the Philippines (who are, yes, by far the lar, and have their own Filipino "cell"/collective/whatever: http://amihanmalaya.wordpress.com/

To which I quote the wise "Uncle Grandfather" from Adult Swim's Perfect Hair Forever:
"Okay, whatever, fine. Good ruck with that."

[Bankotsu]

Also the Japanese Red Army and Red Brigades in Italy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Red_Army
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Brigades


I think we can compare their activities with the "propaganda of the deed" organisations that grew after the failure of the paris commune in 1871 to the May 1968 Paris strikes.

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

Oh man, I can't believe I forgot about the Red Brigades and the JRA. The JRA was fucking PSYCHO- and one of the reasons (along with the United Revolutionary Army of Japan) that militant leftist movements are looked at with derision and suspicion even among progressive people in Japan today.

It's also interesting to note that often times these small groups came out originally claiming to be Maoist, or at least "anti-revisionist Marxist-Leninists", but eventually became extensions of revisionist states themselves: the JRA became tools of the North Koreans, the Red Brigades became clients of the Czechoslovak StB (State Security Council), and the RAF became agents of the East Germans.

It justs shows what side of the barricades such horrible politics can bring you to...

[Dimentio]

As a Swedish-American Maoist, I have never heard of this group, but now I am rather intrigued.

It seems though that in many countries in the west, there are examples of strange small parties in the 1960's going absolutely batshit insane and falling into terrible lines that only defeast themselves: the Weather Underground and Symbionese Liberation Army in America, the Red Army Fraction in Germany, and I guess these strange cats. They all seem to have a common thread: a line filled with politics of despair and desperation. They engaged in actions regardless of their relation to the situation at hand and their effect on the workers, the student movements, and the people as a whole. In fact, for the most part, their actions were completely ineffective in their impact on the institutions and the transformation of popular opinion. Instead of building a mass movement, they disconnected themselves from the masses and attempted to take the revolution underground. In the end, they only brought down themselves. It is the antithesis of Mao's declaration to "Serve the People" and to go deep into the roots of the masses, into the thick of the struggle.

Comrade Fred Hampton called stuff like this (in discussing the Weathermen): "anarchistic, opportunistic, individualistic, chauvinistic, Custeristic,..." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ9zPySHbuY)

Fuck that shit, I'm gonna go make revolution.

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Oh, and btw, the "Maoist"-ThirdWorldists are against the Communist Party of the Philippines (who are, yes, by far the lar, and have their own Filipino "cell"/collective/whatever: http://amihanmalaya.wordpress.com/

To which I quote the wise "Uncle Grandfather" from Adult Swim's Perfect Hair Forever:
"Okay, whatever, fine. Good ruck with that."

If you look at the original link, I am certain you would think that the RM (RR) was more akin to a religious cult than a secular political movement. Luckily, they did not conduct acts of terror - they only attacked themselves.

[Raúl Duke]

That is similar to the weather underground in the USA.

Crazy period, the 60s.

Most of these underground movements began I think after the 60s...mostly doing things in the 70s.

[Saorsa]

This is not true.

Yes it is.


Nor is this.

Is too.

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

NHIA:
You obviously haven't looked a single bit at the history of the CPP/NPA/NDF or what they do in the Philippines. I mean seriously, even non-Maoist forces admit that the CPP and the forces around it are the main trend in radical politics in the island.

You know what Mao Zedong say: "No investigation, no right to speak."