Must see Documentaries for OIers

[RGacky3]

My first 3 I'll list are

Occupation 101

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2451908450811690589&ei=TpyRSr-PMZHo-QawhIGMBg&q=occupation+101

Sicko

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6646340600856118396&ei=h5yRSr6wJsfJ-Aae-N2iBw&q=Sicko

The Corporation

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3203253804055041031&ei=npyRSqeICZKF-QaWx73mBQ&q=The+Corporation

Outfoxed

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6737097743434902428&ei=FaqRSouXHczN-Aawr7jGBw&q=outfoxed

[leninwasarightwingnutcase]

The War on Democracy:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3739500579629840148

Or anything by Pilger really

[Havet]

I liked how sicko tackled the corporations problem, but I didn't particularly enjoy their proposed solution to the problem (a centralized socialized medical institution).

I liked Stossel's response (although mostly a right-libertarian) to this issue, and his interview with Michael Moore

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEXFUbSbg1I

Check out the 5 other videos if your interested (he only begins proposing alternatives around the 4th/5th one).

Anyway, i have already proposed my alternative here (http://www.revleft.com/vb/left-libertarian-approach-t115079/index.html?t=115079&highlight=left-libertarian+approach+healthcare), which i find ultimately far more productive that Stossel's, Michael's or the Republican/Conservative ones.

[RGacky3]

John Stossel is rediculous, I could tear his video apart, which I could do, in another thread.

[RGacky3]

The War on Democracy:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3739500579629840148

Or anything by Pilger really


Very very good one, must see for OIers.

[IcarusAngel]

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[IcarusAngel]

That's p1 to p7 of 'case studies in US hypocrisy.'

Another one might be 'class war':

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And free-market fantasies:

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[brigadista]

the power of nightmares can find it on google video

[RGacky3]

I'm betting when this comes out this one too.

http://www.capitalismalovestory.com/

It looks great, a sign of the times.

[RGacky3]

And Heres one for the Tea Drinkers

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3667764379758632511&ei=_RCUSq60K4iu-AaJ_-nTCw&q=Stealing+a+Nation

[Ele'ill]

My first 3 I'll list are

Occupation 101

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2451908450811690589&ei=TpyRSr-PMZHo-QawhIGMBg&q=occupation+101

Sicko

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6646340600856118396&ei=h5yRSr6wJsfJ-Aae-N2iBw&q=Sicko

The Corporation

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3203253804055041031&ei=npyRSqeICZKF-QaWx73mBQ&q=The+Corporation

Outfoxed

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6737097743434902428&ei=FaqRSouXHczN-Aawr7jGBw&q=outfoxed


'The Corporation' was one of my favorites.

Its hard to watch after a while. :(

[RGacky3]

I'd Also say

Enron:The smartest guys in the room,

Just shows how corporate power works.

BTW, too you American Dreamers. The Enron CEO started out as a poor son of a preacher, worked hard, made some smart investments, did good buisiness, and made a fortune, I don't know how inspiring that story is to the thousands that lost their pensions and thousands taht lost everyting though.

[Bastable]

That's p1 to p7 of 'case studies in US hypocrisy.'

Another one might be 'class war':

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And free-market fantasies:

SgFlJjnULh0

I love listening to noam chomsky speak, his voice is at that perfect pitch to send me off to sleep...

[Dean]

My first 3 I'll list are

Occupation 101

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2451908450811690589&ei=TpyRSr-PMZHo-QawhIGMBg&q=occupation+101

Sicko

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6646340600856118396&ei=h5yRSr6wJsfJ-Aae-N2iBw&q=Sicko

The Corporation

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3203253804055041031&ei=npyRSqeICZKF-QaWx73mBQ&q=The+Corporation

Outfoxed

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6737097743434902428&ei=FaqRSouXHczN-Aawr7jGBw&q=outfoxed

The Trap: What happened to our ideal of freedom? Viewable online: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=404227395387111085

[Bud Struggle]

I'd Also say

Enron:The smartest guys in the room,

Just shows how corporate power works.

BTW, too you American Dreamers. The Enron CEO started out as a poor son of a preacher, worked hard, made some smart investments, did good buisiness, and made a fortune, I don't know how inspiring that story is to the thousands that lost their pensions and thousands taht lost everyting though.

Which illustrates an interesting problem for Communists. When Ken Lay was a powerless Proletarian he might have done something to help the Proletariat--but as soom as he gained some power he became anti-Proletarian, or at least didn't care about the Proletariat.

It seems the second one is in a position or has the power to do something useful about worker's struggles one becomes against worker's struggles. I think you could make the same case for political leaders like Stalin or Fidel or Kim Il Jong or Mao, etc.

Power corrupts.

[RGacky3]

Which illustrates an interesting problem for Communists. When Ken Lay was a powerless Proletarian he might have done something to help the Proletariat--but as soom as he gained some power he became anti-Proletarian, or at least didn't care about the Proletariat.

It seems the second one is in a position or has the power to do something useful about worker's struggles one becomes against worker's struggles. I think you could make the same case for political leaders like Stalin or Fidel or Kim Il Jong or Mao, etc.

Power corrupts.

I've been saying that all along, :)

[eyedrop]

Which illustrates an interesting problem for Communists. When Ken Lay was a powerless Proletarian he might have done something to help the Proletariat--but as soom as he gained some power he became anti-Proletarian, or at least didn't care about the Proletariat.

It seems the second one is in a position or has the power to do something useful about worker's struggles one becomes against worker's struggles. I think you could make the same case for political leaders like Stalin or Fidel or Kim Il Jong or Mao, etc.

Power corrupts.

It's not really rocket science.
Person with little power wants to equalise power so he get's more.
Person with much power wants to keep the unequal power distribution so he gets to keep his share of power.

By some weird reason there exists people that believe the right person with much power will work to equalise it.

[Bud Struggle]

By some weird reason there exists people that believe the right person with much power will work to equalise it.

That's human nature. People follow. And while I'm a big fan of Anarchism--it's the reason I believe it is a utopian pipe dream. And I know that as much as I like Anarchism--if it existed in reality tomorrow, I'd start a "group" and start to subvert it.

The temptation to be king is too great. For me and lots of others.

[Havet]

The temptation to be king is too great. For me and lots of others.

Dude WTF?

Why do you want to be a king? Are you outta your mind?

[eyedrop]

That's human nature. People follow. And while I'm a big fan of Anarchism--it's the reason I believe it is a utopian pipe dream. And I know that as much as I like Anarchism--if it existed in reality tomorrow, I'd start a "group" and start to subvert it.

The temptation to be king is too great. For me and lots of others. No that's the reason why voting in a benovelent ruler which will distribute power fairly is a pipe dream. Anarchism is not dependent on a person with lot's of power working to equalise power.

[Bud Struggle]

Dude WTF?

Why do you want to be a king? Are you outta your mind?

Every owner of a mom and pop deli is their own "king." Some people just want to be different and their own boss--some people like to be president, or manager, or owner.

Every business is it's own kingdom. Every store. You don't have to be king of England--you just need your own little spot of the world.

It's a Capitalist thing--I guess. :D

[Havet]

Every owner of a mom and pop deli is their own "king." Some people just want to be different and their own boss--some people like to be president, or manager, or owner.

Every business is it's own kingdom. Every store. You don't have to be king of England--you just need your own little spot of the world.

It's a Capitalist thing--I guess. :D

So you're OK with this (status quo) even though you might be responsible for increasing (or at least accepting as right) oppression, extortion and poverty?

[Bud Struggle]

So you're OK with this (status quo) even though you might be responsible for increasing (or at least accepting as right) oppression, extortion and poverty?

I'm not for the status quo, per se. I rather would like to find a way for Type "A" personalities to still be themselves without submitting to the mindnumbing slushiness of a Type "B" world.

That's why Social Democracy seems to be the best alternative.

[IcarusAngel]

'Kings' and 'queens' are just like capitalism. I remember writing once that we have about as much chance of overthrowing a (well-run) monopolistic corporation as we do overthrowing a king and dividing the land among the peasants and servants equally.

Capitalists have that same kind of thinking as kings and queens - unnecessary hierarchy.

[Bud Struggle]

'Kings' and 'queens' are just like capitalism. I remember writing once that we have about as much chance of overthrowing a (well-run) monopolistic corporation as we do overthrowing a king and dividing the land among the peasants and servants equally.

Capitalists have that same kind of thinking as kings and queens - unnecessary hierarchy.

No. Some people choose to be master of their own lives--or as much of their own lives as they can get. I am personally (as we speak--in my daily life) carving my own nitch out of the business of a well run monopolistic multi-national seven billion dollar a year corporation. It can be done--you have to locate their weaknesses and fill them with your own strenths. It certainly isn't easy--but what fun would it be if it was?

[RGacky3]

The temptation to be king is too great. For me and lots of others.

I think your making a huge hyperboly about human nature tremendously, Capitalism does not reward altruism at all, however we find tons of it, among many people.


No. Some people choose to be master of their own lives--or as much of their own lives as they can get. I am personally (as we speak--in my daily life) carving my own nitch out of the business of a well run monopolistic multi-national seven billion dollar a year corporation. It can be done--you have to locate their
weaknesses and fill them with your own strenths. It certainly isn't easy--but what fun would it be if it was?

Capitalism is about people beting masters of the world (as some Capitalists call themselves), masters of other people, masaters of societies, having huge amounts of riches.

Socialism is about giving everyone the oportunity to be the master of their own life.

Do you think a slave trying to get freedom thinks its more "fun" to try and attain that freedom? Rather than just having it?


I'm not for the status quo, per se. I rather would like to find a way for Type "A" personalities to still be themselves without submitting to the mindnumbing slushiness of a Type "B" world.

What do those personalities have to do with Capitalism? Are you implying that people that are not capitalists are mindnumbing slugish types?

I would say that people that become big time Capitalists are not innovators (those are scientists, engineers and the such, if they can afford the schooling that is), Capitalists are the manipulators, tyrranical types, power hungry types, THATS whats encouraged in this system.

The fact is you have this fairy tale view of capitalism that simply does'nt jive with the facts. It is'nt about some guys being "go getters" and getting things done, while the otheres just mindlessly droll at work. Anymore so then in ancient times the Kings were great administrators and generals while the peasants were just fine mindlessly tolling the fields and fighting the battles. Its a class system, thats the reality.

[Havet]

No. Some people choose to be master of their own lives--or as much of their own lives as they can get. I am personally (as we speak--in my daily life) carving my own nitch out of the business of a well run monopolistic multi-national seven billion dollar a year corporation. It can be done--you have to locate their weaknesses and fill them with your own strenths. It certainly isn't easy--but what fun would it be if it was?

I seriously doubt you own a seven billior dollar a year corporation. Whats the name of the corporation?

[Bud Struggle]

I seriously doubt you own a seven billior dollar a year corporation. Whats the name of the corporation?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

They are my competitor! I'm the little guy with a nitch local market.

[Havet]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

They are my competitor! I'm the little guy with a nitch local market.

So whats the name of your company?

[RGacky3]

YOu really don't expect him to give up personal information on the internet do you?

[Havet]

YOu really don't expect him to give up personal information on the internet do you?

He can PM me if he's afraid revlefters will go expropriate him ^^

[JohannGE]

The War on Democracy:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3739500579629840148

Or anything by Pilger really

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Documentaries-That-Changed-World-Pilger/dp/B000GUK3P6

This guy Luffwaffe has compressed all 4 dvd's and shared on mininova:-

Contents:
Disc 1 - 01 - The silent death of Cambodia [DVDRip.Luftwaffe]
Disc 1 - 02 - Nicaragua - A nation's right to survive [DVDRip.Luftwaffe]
Disc 1 - 03 - Burp! Pepsi v Coke in the ice cold war [DVDRip.Luftwaffe]
Disc 1 - 04 - Flying the flag, arming the world [DVDRip.Luftwaffe]

Disc 2 - 01 - World in action - the quiet mutiny [DVDRip.Luftwaffe]
Disc 2 - 02 - Death of a nation - The Timor conspiracy [DVDRip.Luftwaffe]
Disc 2 - 03 - Death of a nation - Inside Burma, land of fear [DVDRip.Luftwaffe]
Disc 2 - 04 - Welcome to Australia [DVDRip.Luftwaffe]

Disc 3 - 01 - Paying the price - Killing the children of Iraq [DVDRip.Luftwaffe]
Disc 3 - 02 - Palestine is still the issue [DVDRip.Luftwaffe]
Disc 3 - 03 - Breaking the silence - Truth and lies in the war on terror [DVDRip.Luftwaffe]

Disc 4 - 01 - Stealing a nation [DVDRip.Luftwaffe]
Disc 4 - 02 - Interview at HAY Festival 2006 [DVDRip.Luftwaffe]