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Kukulofori
21st August 2009, 13:11
Historically, how have they been treated? How could they be treated? Is socialism a popular idea in indigenous communities? Etc?
Eat the Rich
21st August 2009, 21:03
We cannot judge how indigenous people were trated historicaly in socialist countries because there were none socialist countries, but only stalinist states.
Fightback in its program writes this :
Land and resource rights to all Natives. End the poverty on and off the reserves. Natives must be able to democratically control their own fate.
In Canada (where Fightback is), the movement of the natives is very strong. Of course there are class divisions between natives, but the poor and working class natives are the most militant layer against the Canadian state.
Many of the natives in Canada, have combined the native ideas with the ideas of socialism. Many also are influenced by the ideas of Bolivarianism, especialy the Mohawks in Eastern Canada, which are close to Hands Off Venezuela and the Bolivarian circles.
Of course the best native militants are marxists and understand the need of a common fight of Canadian workers and natives against capitalism.
ArrowLance
22nd August 2009, 01:19
We cannot judge how indigenous people were trated historicaly in socialist countries because there were none socialist countries, but only stalinist states.
Fightback in its program writes this :
Land and resource rights to all Natives. End the poverty on and off the reserves. Natives must be able to democratically control their own fate.
In Canada (where Fightback is), the movement of the natives is very strong. Of course there are class divisions between natives, but the poor and working class natives are the most militant layer against the Canadian state.
Many of the natives in Canada, have combined the native ideas with the ideas of socialism. Many also are influenced by the ideas of Bolivarianism, especialy the Mohawks in Eastern Canada, which are close to Hands Off Venezuela and the Bolivarian circles.
Of course the best native militants are marxists and understand the need of a common fight of Canadian workers and natives against capitalism.
First, Stalin was a socialist/communist. Get over it. It would be easier to deal with it if you forget all that western anti-communist propaganda.
So yes, there have been (and there still are) 'socialist states.' As for how they treated natives, I'm not really sure. I have never read any articles or books that go indepth on the subject. But when it comes to how native people should be treated, at least in the present. The damage has already been done. Restoring their land to them would be denying that they are citizens of the world. We want freedom for all races.
Plagueround
22nd August 2009, 02:01
The only instance I can think of off the top of my head is the Sandinistas were at extreme odds with the Miskito Indians, but to be honest I don't know enough about the conflict to have an opinion either way. I'll look into it and let you know, or perhaps someone with a bit more knowledge on the situation can comment.
Oolong
22nd August 2009, 02:17
There's also the case of the Hmong and the 'socialist' governments in Viet Nam and Laos. During the wars, the Hmong were trained by the CIA and fought on the side of America against the armies of the two countries. Needless to say, once America lost, the Hmong weren't treated too kindly by the new governments.
As I haven't read much on this in a while, I'm unsure of the conditions under which America trained so many of the Hmong (whether there was an element of coercion or they both just had a common goal) and I also wouldn't want to assume the Hmong in Laos and the Hmong in Viet Nam were similar in terms of politics, class, status, etc.
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