Nuclear apocalypse is cool!

[NecroCommie]

Am I alone on this one?

Honestly, during this day I have listened to several albums' worth of heavy metal with a nuclear war theme. In addition, I watched an x-files episode with a radiation theme, and I played fallout 3. Nuclear war started to seem appealing. Am I strange?

There's just something cool about important looking dudes going around in suits and pushing buttons that annihilate entire continents, simultaneously creating mutants that do cool things. And as in the lyrics of sodom, "clouds of dust will hide sun 4evah!"

[Pirate Utopian]

Although nuclear holocaust seems far from cool to me, riding a nuclear bomb however...
wcW_Ygs6hm0

I remember watching this British 80s tv movie called Threads.
Nuclear apocalypse is just fucking scary in that.

[Angry Young Man]

I call dibs on being the John Connor bloke!

[Il Medico]

Nuclear apocalypse? No thank you. I live in Florida, north of Tampa. I don't want to live the rest of my days in a wannabe Alas Babylon.

[Manifesto]

It would make life more interesting but you probably wouldn't want it when you run out of water or ammo.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

The problem with global thermonuclear war is that after the boom-kerpow excitement that is the initial exchange, you get to spend the next decade or two sitting in a bunker eating canned food and trying to keep cabin fever at bay. Which would get rather tiresome, I would imagine. Even stuff like secret missile silos and ballistic missile submarines only adds an extra round of play before everyone's exhausted. Having to rebuild civilisation can be a bummer as well, although if you're tough and the world isn't too fucked up you have some interesting times ahead.

Now, regional nuclear warfare with tactical warheads, on the other hand, is considerably more exciting. You get a larger choice of delivery systems, you don't mess up the entire planet (therefore avoiding that whole "Pyrrhic victory" nonsense), and there's the whole "will they, won't they" aspect of unpredictability as to whether other powers will get involved.

Of course, global thermonuclear war would be much less of a drag if we had independant off-world colonies - it would then become the Solar System's equivalent of regional nuclear warfare. Please donate so we can help the victims of the Second Martian Nuclear War.

[Il Medico]

Your all bloody insane.

[kharacter]

Your all bloody insane.
no kidding, you guys are scaring the hell out of me. This is serious stuff :bored:

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Your all bloody insane.

Sanity is relative. On the face of it, blowing up people and places with nuclear weapons doesn't appear to be a rational act. But that changes if a higher purpose is served.

Of course, in the event of a nuclear war it's highly likely that I would be one of the casualties. In that case I would hope that my death would be swift or I would have the means to put myself out of my misery. Suicide isn't usually a rational act either, but if I do end up dying of radiation poisoning, do be so good as to pass the pistol when you're finished with it.

[Il Medico]

Most of the people posting on this thread need to seek professional help.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Most of the people posting on this thread need to seek professional help.

Accusations of insanity have been used as political weapons in the past. This is not a good road you're heading down.

[Il Medico]

Accusations of insanity have been used as political weapons in the past. This is not a good road you're heading down.
How does you and others talking about how great it would be to have a good old fashioned doomsday with nuclear weapons have anything to do with politics? I am sorry but the seemingly genuine "cool! nuclear holocaust!" feel of this thread scares me.

[Angry Young Man]

Nukes aren't socialist warfare, man. Genocide and torture and civilian attacks are not our warfare.

Unless you wanna be an Inglorious Basterd :D But even then you've no excuse for genocide or attacking civillians

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

How does you and others talking about how great it would be to have a good old fashioned doomsday with nuclear weapons have anything to do with politics? I am sorry but the seemingly genuine "cool! nuclear holocaust!" feel of this thread scares me.

Seems to me to be a better and more productive response than just shitting one's pants. Of course, no doubt I would be bricking it if I got caught up in a nuclear war but you have to think beyond the initial bowel evacuation.

[Il Medico]

I didn't have a "shit my pants" reaction. Scare is the wrong word. Disturbs is a better one. The fact that people can talk so nonchalantly about such a gruesome proposal disturbs me greatly.

[Revy]

I don't remember what it's called, but there's a post-apocalyptic film which takes place decades after a nuclear holocaust, in a feudal society of "cantons" ruled by "barons".

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I didn't have a "shit my pants" reaction. Scare is the wrong word. Disturbs is a better one. The fact that people can talk so nonchalantly about such a gruesome proposal disturbs me greatly.

Why? It's not like we're lovingly describing in intricate detail the various different kinds of death, mutilation and illness that a nuclear war would trail in it's wake. Although I'm perfectly willing to accommodate you if that's your expectation.

[Mala Tha Testa]

I don't remember what it's called, but there's a post-apocalyptic film which takes place decades after a nuclear holocaust, in a feudal society of "cantons" ruled by "barons".

That sounds interesting.

[Pirate Utopian]

I don't remember what it's called, but there's a post-apocalyptic film which takes place decades after a nuclear holocaust, in a feudal society of "cantons" ruled by "barons".
The Omega Man?

[Rusty Shackleford]

Has anyone played S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl or Clear Sky? half decent post apocalyptic Ukraine (around Chernobyl) apparently the name comes form a soviet movie Stalker the movie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalker_%28film%29)
which i think i will get now ^^

i hate nuclear weapons, but the games dealing with nuclear disaster or war are pretty fun.

[Sarah Palin]

I have quite the phobia of physical pain, so I would hope that I'm incinerated instantly, or in a manner that I don't feel anything. And then maybe I end up in some after like where I get to talk to other dead folk, and I'm all "HEY MOTHERFUCKERS I DIED IN THE MOTHERFUCKING APOCALPYSE. OH WHAT'S THAT? YOU DIED OF OLD AGE! FUCK YOU GRANPA, NEUTRONS RIPPED APART MY PHYSICAL MAKEUP MOTHERFUCKER."

[Bright Banana Beard]

I personally prefer socialist republic over nuclear holocaust, unless it involve on killing zombies and super magical crop.

[Pirate Utopian]

Zombies!

Radioactive zombies no less. Like in The Children only then undead and actually zombie-like.

[Angry Young Man]

I personally prefer socialist republic over nuclear holocaust, unless it involve on killing zombies and super magical crop.
Socialist revolution will have killing zombies, but for the sake of PR, it'll be called the Battle of Kansas.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

For your consideration, the effects of different doses of radiation:

Dose (Grays): 0 - 0.5
Immediate symptoms: No obvious effect.
Latent phase: None
Post-latent symptoms: No obvious effect, except possibly minor blood changes and anorexia.
Prognosis: Certain survival.

Dose (Grays): 0.5 - 1.0
Immediate symptoms: Vomiting and nausea for about 1 day in 10 to 20% of exposed personnel. Fatigue, but no serious disability.
Latent phase: Days to weeks
Post-latent symptoms: In this dose range no obvious sickness occurs. Detectable changes in blood cells begin to occur at 0.25 Sv, but occur consistently only above 0.50 Sv. These changes involve fluctuations in the overall white blood cell count (with drops in lymphocytes), drops in platelet counts, and less severe drops in red blood cell counts. These changes set in over a period of days and may require months to disappear. They are detectable only by lab tests. At 0.50 Sv atrophy of lymph glands becomes noticeable. Impairment to the immune system could increase the susceptibility to disease. Depression of sperm production becomes noticeable at 0.20 Sv, an exposure of 0.80 Sv has a 50% chance of causing temporary sterility in males. At 0.75 Sv there is a 10% chance of nausea.
Prognosis: Almost certain survival.

Dose (Grays): 1.0 - 2.0
Immediate symptoms: Mild acute symptoms occur in this range. Symptoms begin to appear at 1 Sv, and become common at 2 Sv. Typical effects are mild to moderate nausea (50% probability at 2 Sv) , with occasional vomiting, setting in within 3-6 hours after exposure, and lasting several hours to a day. This will be followed by other symptoms of radiation sickness in up to 50% of personnel.
Latent phase: 10 - 14 days
Post-latent symptoms: Tissues primarily affected are the hematopoietic (blood forming) tissues, sperm forming tissues are also vulnerable. Blood changes set in and increase steadily during the latency period as blood cells die naturally and are not replaced. A reduction of approximately 50% in lymphocytes and neutrophils will occur. There is a 10% chance of temporary hair loss. Mild clinical symptoms return in 10-14 days. These symptoms include loss of appetite (50% probability at 1.5 Sv), malaise, and fatigue (50% probability at 2 Sv), and last up to 4 weeks. Recovery from other injuries is impaired and there is enhanced risk of infection. Temporary male sterility is universal. The higher the dosage in this range, the more likely the effects, the faster symptoms appear, the shorter the latency period, and the longer the duration of illness.
Prognosis: Fatality rate is about 10%

Dose (Grays): 2.0 - 3.5
Immediate symptoms: Nausea becomes universal, the incidence of vomiting reaches 50% at 2.8 Sv and 100% at 3 Sv. Nausea and possible vomiting starting 1 to 6 hours after irradiation and lasting up to 2 days. This will be followed by other symptoms of radiation sickness, e.g., loss of appetite, diarrhea, minor hemorrhaging.
Latent phase: 7 -14 days
Post-latent symptoms: Illness becomes increasingly severe, and significant mortality sets in. Hematopoietic tissues are still the major affected organ system. When symptoms recur, the may include epilation (hair loss, 50% probability at 3 Sv), malaise, fatigue, diarrhea (50% prob. at 3.5 Sv), and hemorrhage (uncontrolled bleeding) of the mouth, subcutaneous tissue and kidney (50% prob. at 4 Sv). Suppression of white blood cells is severe, susceptibility to infection becomes serious. At 3 Sv the mortality rate without medical treatment becomes substantial (about 10%). The possibility of permanent sterility in females begins to appear. Recovery takes 1 to 3 months.
Prognosis: Fatality rate 35% to 40%.

Dose (Grays): 3.5 - 5.5
Immediate symptoms: Nausea and vomiting within half an hour, lasting up to 2 days. This will be followed by other symptoms of radiation sickness, e.g., fever, hemorrhage, diarrhea, emaciation.
Latent phase: 7 - 14 days
Post-latent symptoms: Hair loss, internal bleeding, severe bone marrow damage with high risk of bleeding and infection. Hemopoietic Syndrome. Mortality rises steeply in this dose range, from around 50% at 4.5 Sv (LD50) to 90% at 6 Sv (unless heroic medical intervention takes place). Hematopoietic tissues remain the major affected organ system. The symptoms listed for 2.0-3.5 Sv increase in prevalence and severity, reaching 100% occurrence at 6 Sv. When death occurs, it is usually 2-12 weeks after exposure and results from infection and hemorrhage. Recovery takes several months to a year, blood cell counts may take even longer to return to normal. Female sterility becomes probable. Survivors convalescent for about 6 months.
Prognosis: Fatality rate 50% within 6 weeks.

Dose (Grays): 5.5 - 7.5
Immediate symptoms: Severe nausea and vomiting within 15 - 30 minutes, lasting up to 2 days, followed by severe symptoms of radiation sickness, as above.
Latent phase: 5 - 10 days
Post-latent symptoms: Hair loss, internal bleeding, severe bone marrow damage leading to complete failure of blood system, high risk of infection, moderate gastrointestinal damage. Gastrointestinal Syndrome. Survival depends on stringent medical intervention. Bone marrow is nearly or completely destroyed, requiring marrow transfusions. Gastrointestinal tissues are increasingly affected. The final phase lasts 1 to 4 weeks, ending in death from infection and internal bleeding. Recovery, if it occurs, takes years and may never be complete. Survivors convalescent for about 6 months.
Prognosis: Death probable within 3 weeks.

Dose (Grays): 7.5 - 10
Immediate symptoms: Excruciating nausea and vomiting within 5 - 15 minutes, lasting for several days.
Latent phase: 5 - 7 days.
Post-latent symptoms: Hair loss, internal bleeding, severe bone marrow damage leading to complete failure of blood system, high risk of infection, severe gastrointestinal damage.
Prognosis: Death almost certain within 3 weeks. Complete recovery impossible.

Dose (Grays): 10 - 20
Immediate symptoms: Immediate nausea occurs due to direct activation of the chemoreceptive nausea center in the brain. The onset time is 5 minutes.
Latent phase: 5 - 7 days
Post-latent symptoms: Very high exposures can have sufficient metabolic disruption to cause immediate symptoms. Above 10 Sv rapid cell death in the gastrointestinal system causes severe diarrhea, intestinal bleeding, and loss of fluids, and disturbance of electrolyte balance. These effects can cause death within hours of onset from circulatory collapse. Following an initial bout of severe nausea and weakness, a period of apparent well-being lasting a few hours to a few days may follow (called the "walking ghost" phase). This is followed by the terminal phase which lasts 5 - 12 days. In rapid succession prostration, diarrhea, anorexia, and fever follow. Death is certain, often preceded by delirium and coma. Therapy is only to relieve suffering.
Prognosis: Certain death in one week or less.

Dose (Grays): 20 - 80
Immediate symptoms: Immediate disorientation and coma will result, onset is within seconds to minutes.
Latent phase: None
Post-latent symptoms: CNS Syndrome. Metabolic disruption is severe enough to interfere with the nervous system. Convulsions occur which may be controlled with sedation. Victim may linger for up to 48 hours before dying.
Prognosis: Certain death.

Dose (Grays): > 80
Immediate symptoms: Coma
Latent phase: None
Post-latent symptoms: The U.S. military assumes that 80 Sv of fast neutron radiation (from a neutron bomb) will immediately and permanently incapacitate a soldier. Lethal within 24 hours due to damage to central nervous system.
Prognosis: Certain death.

[Angry Young Man]

So how many Grays to get superpowers?

[ZeroNowhere]

Has anyone played S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl or Clear Sky? half decent post apocalyptic Ukraine (around Chernobyl) apparently the name comes form a soviet movie Stalker the movie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalker_%28film%29)
which i think i will get now ^^
Get 'Roadside Picnic'. It's far better than the movie, though it has nothing to do with nuclear stuff, unlike the game (which is rather dull, IMO). Another good book 'A Canticle for Leibowitz', which is post-apocalyptic.

Anyways, on nuclear apocalypse being cool, Dr. Strangelove.

[Pirate Utopian]

So how many Grays to get superpowers?
And more importantly, zombies?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

So how many Grays to get superpowers?

Are you telling me that puking your guts up and shitting out your colon aren't superpowers?


And more importantly, zombies?

Doesn't the "walking ghost" phase count?

[ZeroNowhere]

Are you telling me that puking your guts up and shitting out your colon aren't superpowers?I would say that it was implied, yes.

[Pirate Utopian]

Doesn't the "walking ghost" phase count?
Sorta.

[Angry Young Man]

Are you telling me that puking your guts up and shitting out your colon aren't superpowers?

If you want particulars, fire conjuring.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

If you want particulars, fire conjuring.

Who needs that when you have napalm?

[Angry Young Man]

Not as cool as fire conjuring. Plus you can get fire conjuring powers through an airport.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Not as cool as fire conjuring.

I beg to differ. A bombing run will always be cooler than comic book shite.


Plus you can get fire conjuring powers through an airport.

Not if you're strapped down to an operating table.

[Angry Young Man]

What!? YOU DOUBT MY POWER!

[ZeroNowhere]

No, I doubt your sense of humour.

[Angry Young Man]

What? We're not going through this bloody humourless thing again, are we? My sig used to be 'I wash my prick in bumhole' ffs

[Jazzratt]

It's not that you're humourless, it's just you're not quite as funny as you believe yourself to be.

[#FF0000]

Gutted

[spiltteeth]

I prefer an orgy Apocalypse.

I've been trying to perfect one for years now...

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I prefer an orgy Apocalypse.

I've been trying to perfect one for years now...

Try releasing a super-powerful aphrodisiac into the Earth's jet streams. You should have the whole world fucking each other silly in no time.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Get 'Roadside Picnic'. It's far better than the movie, though it has nothing to do with nuclear stuff, unlike the game (which is rather dull, IMO). Another good book 'A Canticle for Leibowitz', which is post-apocalyptic.

Anyways, on nuclear apocalypse being cool, Dr. Strangelove.

thanks for the references. and we,, i liked the game, though it can be extremely cheesey at certain points.

Dr. Strangelove is good, and check out "The Atomic Cafe (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083590/)" i know i posted something about the atomic cafe in another thread a month or 2 ago but its relevant.
http://www.fantasybakery.com/AtomicCafeL02.jpg


...and if i get caught in a nuclear apocalypse i better have this song playing! ...so long as i have enough time to enjoy it before getting getting blinded, deafened and, well... vaporized.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV83U4CDAx4

[ZeroNowhere]

That actually sounds like it could be interesting.

[Il Medico]

Well, now that I think about it, I would want to die in one of the second blasts, you know, be able to get ready.

I would walk over, turn this song on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfDe0Mv5PPc
I would then pour myself a goodbye drink, open the window facing the explosion, sit down, take as sip. And then.....
http://www.zastavki.com/pictures/1280x1024/2008/Photoshop_The_nuclear_explosion___bomb_011528_.jpg

[NecroCommie]

Where as that sounds like a cool idea to do, I would just have to see nuclear winter. It just sounds so... Grim... and frostbitten. Like this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlhBtrih96s

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

That picture doesn't make sense. Why is an already devastated city being bombed? Although on reflection, it's probably just the designs of the buildings making it look that way.

[Sarah Palin]

Well, now that I think about it, I would want to die in one of the second blasts, you know, be able to get ready.

I would walk over, turn this song on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfDe0Mv5PPc
I would then pour myself a goodbye drink, open the window facing the explosion, sit down, take as sip. And then.....
http://www.zastavki.com/pictures/1280x1024/2008/Photoshop_The_nuclear_explosion___bomb_011528_.jpg

You should direct a movie. Though when I think about, I would also want the second blast. Presuming nothing of mine was destroyed in the first blast, I'd pour some tea, take a biscuit, and face the city while perhaps doodling on my guitar or listening to a recording of:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-Qb7AS1yxg

Hopefully I'd get to enjoy the whole thing.

[Pirate Utopian]

The most suitable song is this:
mRadA7074wk

[Il Medico]

You should direct a movie. Though when I think about, I would also want the second blast. Presuming nothing of mine was destroyed in the first blast, I'd pour some tea, take a biscuit, and face the city while perhaps doodling on my guitar or listening to a recording of:

W-Qb7AS1yxg

Hopefully I'd get to enjoy the whole thing.
That would indeed be a fine way to go out. I once played piano... long ago. And if I could I would go out playing this song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQVeaIHWWck
It was the first classical song I ever learned to play. And I think filling the air of my dieing moments with the beauty that is contained in this song would be a worthy final act to this play we call life.

[ev]

I think filling the air of my dieing moments with the beauty that is contained in this song would be a worthy final act to this play we call life.

Spoken like a true protégé..