Being armed in public

[What Would Durruti Do?]

I know a few people who like to carry weapons on them at all times for safety purposes. Just curious as to what the thoughts of others on this issue is? Although I'm obviously a big supporter of the right to having weapons (as I hope any revolutionary would be) I find the idea of constantly being armed in public to be a little ridiculous and absurd but I find myself having trouble forming a decent argument against it other than the fact that those who see it as necessary are probably slightly paranoid.

[*Red*Alert]

I am fully in favour of the right to bear arms, and to arm bears.

[amandevsingh]

I would say it depends on the capacity to kill a human being. Just to maim an opponent is good enough in most situations

[Black Cross]

^^^ I don't think that most people are accurate enough with a weapon to be able to decide whether to maim or kill.

As long as the weapon is necessary for one's protection, i see no reason to object.

I think it should definitely be concealed though, to be clear (people can get nervous around weapons)


I am fully in favour of the right to bear arms, and to arm bears.

:lol: Should i be ashamed that i laughed so hard at this?

[Il Medico]

^^^ I don't think that most people are accurate enough with a weapon to be able to decide whether to maim or kill.

If a person wants to own a gun they should be responible enough to learn how to use it.


As long as the weapon is necessary for one's protection, i see no reason to object.
Yes, but some people consider shooting trespassers "self defense".


I think it should definitely be concealed though, to be clear (people can get nervous around weapons)
That and carrying around a rifle or shotgun or something would very unpractical.




:lol: Should i be ashamed that i laughed so hard at this?
Yes.

[Sarah Palin]

Well considering the likelyhood of street fighting and riots between conservative assholes and us, I would hope we have guns. This revolution isn't gonna come by itself.

[LOLseph Stalin]

Of course in a post-revolutionary society there wouldn't really be much need to constantly be armed as most crime as we know it now would generally disappear. Theft in particular. If people aren't living in poverty we really wouldn't have much of a reason to be armed. However, in today's society being armed could be helpful in some situations. There should be restrictions on who can obtain these weapons though as misuse and abuse of the privilages may become a problem. The real question would be when it would be acceptable to use the force of a weapon during a threat. There's some threats I just don't see as severe enough to be defending yourself with a gun over. Of course if somebody is trying to kill you or something that would be a reasonable situation to fight back.

[Misanthrope]

Everyone should take the necessary steps to ensure they are sufficiently defended.

[yuon]

So, how many of ya'll live in a place where carrying a weapon in public is likely to help you to defend yourself (or your property)?

'Cause, where I live, it's unlikely that carrying a weapon could help me defend myself, indeed, is more likely to put me in danger (if from no one other than the filth (i.e. cops)).

So, why carry a weapon when it is more likely to put me in danger, than get me out?

(I actually do think that everyone (who wants to) should be trained in how to use various weapons, and have access to those weapons. I'm personally thinking of joining a gun club and shooting guns as a hobby. Why? It's fun to shoot guns.)

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Of course in a post-revolutionary society there wouldn't really be much need to constantly be armed as most crime as we know it now would generally disappear.

"Cringe" Post capitalism is not "heaven" and this kind of shit makes you look like an air headed Utopian to most people who dont live in lefty land. I support the right to wonder down the street with a massive rocket launcher when it comes down to it however on a personal level I probably would feel no need to be armed when going to the shops.

[Killfacer]

"Cringe" Post capitalism is not "heaven" and this kind of shit makes you look like an air headed Utopian to most people who dont live in lefty land. I support the right to wonder down the street with a massive rocket launcher when it comes down to it however on a personal level I probably would feel no need to be armed when going to the shops.

It's alright when someone alright like you has a gun. What about when it's some bonehead nutjob? Or like Insternamehere says, when a gun is owned by some hyper conservative who thinks any black bloke on his propety is a god damned negro who deserves to have his head blown off?

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Bonehead nutjobs have guns already and if they are willing to use them they arnt going to care about gun laws. Also the racist twat having a gun is a downside but what about the black bloke whose house gets attacked by a hyper conservative thinking he is a god damned negro who deserves to have his head blown off? (Remember that these hacks are not going to care about gun laws if they are shooting people - also that the country spends ridiculous amounts of money on anti drugs campgins and even deploys the armed forces to help stop it , yet i could wonder out and buy some heroin right now , so banning guns isnt really going to be more succesful).

[genstrike]

I think it is important to carry a gun around at all times. You never know when you might need to defend yourself from an attack. Or debate healthcare.

Just kidding, but seriously, I don't have a real strong opinion as to carrying guns either way. But I think it is very rare that someone would have to carry or use a gun. A large portion of this is probably middle class suburban paranoia cultivated by the media which gives the impression of entire areas of the city as no-go zones (I swear, some people think it is only okay to go downtown if you are an office drone, and you get out of there before five).

I personally will probably never own a gun. I figure the chances of it causing some sort of tragedy are probably more likely than the chance of needing to use one and being able to successfully defend myself.

[Radical]

I'm all for protection. However I'm not for legalising guns. As much as I want the Left to pick up arms and revolt. Legalising guns will innevitably increase gun crime. I think your idea of issueing the right to bare arms will change once "Communism" takes place. The last thing I want is an armed rebellion.

People carrying knives for protection has drasticly INCREASED knife crime in the UK. If we allow people to carry guns for protection, that will ALSO drasticly increase gun crime.

[ontheyslay]

I suppose it depends on where you live. I don't fear for my life on a regular basis, therefore there is no need for me to carry a gun. I suppose for people who live in more dangerous areas it would be convenient to carry a firearm. Though I still support the right to carry a firearm regardless of where you live.

[LOLseph Stalin]

"Cringe" Post capitalism is not "heaven" and this kind of shit makes you look like an air headed Utopian to most people who dont live in lefty land. I support the right to wonder down the street with a massive rocket launcher when it comes down to it however on a personal level I probably would feel no need to be armed when going to the shops.

LOL, I never said it was a Utopia. I was just basically saying that the level of crime would drasically decrease. Notice now how it's usually poor people commiting crimes? There you go. Need I say more? Of course there will still be the occasional lunatic who will try to do something, but that's why we would decide what to do with them as a community in a Post-Revolutionary society.

[piet11111]

I'm all for protection. However I'm not for legalising guns. As much as I want the Left to pick up arms and revolt. Legalising guns will innevitably increase gun crime. I think your idea of issueing the right to bare arms will change once "Communism" takes place. The last thing I want is an armed rebellion.

first of all illegalizing guns means only criminals will have them and at this point it wont achieve anything but disarming those that own them legally.
besides its easy as hell to get a gun illegally these days no matter where you live so any legislation will be entirely pointless.


People carrying knives for protection has drasticly INCREASED knife crime in the UK. If we allow people to carry guns for protection, that will ALSO drasticly increase gun crime.

people have been killing one another since forever if they can not use a gun they will use a knife if they do not have that then they use something else like a screwdriver.
that people get stabbed more then shot means nothing if they where 100% guaranteed to get killed with any means available to the attacker.
the only difference would be if the victim had a gun on his/her person then any physical advantage the attacker would have had would have been removed and that could have meant the victim could have lived.

guns really are not the problem here its people that are fucked up enough to kill someone because they stepped on their shoes or some other bullshit reason.

[What Would Durruti Do?]

I'm all for protection. However I'm not for legalising guns. As much as I want the Left to pick up arms and revolt. Legalising guns will innevitably increase gun crime. I think your idea of issueing the right to bare arms will change once "Communism" takes place. The last thing I want is an armed rebellion.

People carrying knives for protection has drasticly INCREASED knife crime in the UK. If we allow people to carry guns for protection, that will ALSO drasticly increase gun crime.

...So you want to ban knives too?

I don't see what knife crime or gun crime has to do with either being legal. You don't punish everyone that uses a certain object just because a minority of people use them in improper ways. I guess we should ban alcohol too because of drunk driving/drunken rage, or plastic because people throw it in rivers and kill animals... :rolleyes: You deal with criminals AFTER they commit a crime, not before.

A revolutionary opposed to allowing people to arm themselves is the most hypocritical thing ever.

[What Would Durruti Do?]

I suppose it depends on where you live. I don't fear for my life on a regular basis, therefore there is no need for me to carry a gun. I suppose for people who live in more dangerous areas it would be convenient to carry a firearm. Though I still support the right to carry a firearm regardless of where you live.

I guess this is true. Maybe I just see it as a little over-the-top because I've never really had a problem with crime or anything, even when I lived in "shady" areas. And I don't really see the point in having a gun anyway because I definitely wouldn't shoot someone just for wanting my wallet. That's a side effect of the economic system, not the potential thief's fault. I'm more worried about oppressive hierarchical organizations myself, not fellow proles.

It just seems ridiculous to me that it should be necessary to carry a gun at all times in such a developed and industrialized first world country. Now if I lived in Somalia or Sudan or something, I probably wouldn't ever take my finger off the trigger.

[SoupIsGoodFood]

I'm not gonna lie, that one dude who brought the ar 15 to the protest was pretty badass as much as I disagree with his politics. That ***** looks like Malcolm X too.

[Killfacer]

Bonehead nutjobs have guns already and if they are willing to use them they arnt going to care about gun laws.
:confused: You have no idea how people are armed, so don't pretend you do.


Also the racist twat having a gun is a downside but what about the black bloke whose house gets attacked by a hyper conservative thinking he is a god damned negro who deserves to have his head blown off? (Remember that these hacks are not going to care about gun laws if they are shooting people - also that the country spends ridiculous amounts of money on anti drugs campgins and even deploys the armed forces to help stop it , yet i could wonder out and buy some heroin right now , so banning guns isnt really going to be more succesful).


Really i don't think that's a particuarly likely thing to happen in modern britain. Thats and utterly laughable response.

[revolution inaction]

I'm all for protection. However I'm not for legalising guns. As much as I want the Left to pick up arms and revolt. Legalising guns will innevitably increase gun crime. I think your idea of issueing the right to bare arms will change once "Communism" takes place. The last thing I want is an armed rebellion.

People carrying knives for protection has drasticly INCREASED knife crime in the UK. If we allow people to carry guns for protection, that will ALSO drasticly increase gun crime.

but knifes have always been legal

[Pogue]

I'm all for protection. However I'm not for legalising guns. As much as I want the Left to pick up arms and revolt. Legalising guns will innevitably increase gun crime. I think your idea of issueing the right to bare arms will change once "Communism" takes place. The last thing I want is an armed rebellion.

People carrying knives for protection has drasticly INCREASED knife crime in the UK. If we allow people to carry guns for protection, that will ALSO drasticly increase gun crime.

You want 'the Left to pick up arms and revolt'? I can bring this to the next meeting and maybe contact some SWP people and see how they feel, we'd have to pick a day when none of us are working though.

[Black Cross]

If a person wants to own a gun they should be responible enough to learn how to use it.

... Obviously. That doesn't, however, mean that in a situation in which it is necessary to use the gun, that they will be calm and focused enough to 1) consciously decide to maim and 2) be able to do so.


Yes, but some people consider shooting trespassers "self defense".

How is this a response to what i said?


That and carrying around a rifle or shotgun or something would very unpractical.

... How is this a response to what i said?


Yes.

It was rhetorical... i know i should be, and i am :(

[amandevsingh]

... Obviously. That doesn't, however, mean that in a situation in which it is necessary to use the gun, that they will be calm and focused enough to 1) consciously decide to maim and 2) be able to do so.

I meant that a legal gun should be weak enough only to maim.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

LOL, I never said it was a Utopia. I was just basically saying that the level of crime would drasically decrease. Notice now how it's usually poor people commiting crimes? There you go. Need I say more? Of course there will still be the occasional lunatic who will try to do something, but that's why we would decide what to do with them as a community in a Post-Revolutionary society.

Communism wont cut crime , supplying legalized easy to get hold of heroin will , executing crime lords will Communism may halt the supply of foot soilders and petty thieves and maybe even some hardcore killers but it is not conveing for me nor the average person to say "dont worry there wont be much crime after communism anywayz" , no you need fucking action and to be able to say that a community controlled police force (with members of the community in it , probably elected by there neighbourhood or whatever) will put down any rabid dogs in the community.

Knife wielding thugs are not the flower of the working class and happy slapping ****s are not potential allies , they are scum who assult the working class and the primary issue is not capitalism creates poverty which many of these people can commit crimes* its that the state though gun control , milita bans, stantch positions against people "taking the law into their own hands, prevent the working class from defending themselves against such scum. So yet in cases where some scumbag gets topped by the community (not a bored group of ex-ira members wanting a chance to play with guns again) I support it overwhelmingly and anyone who does not is quite simply not a leftist , not a communist , not a socialist but a reactionary.

Ps: Radical your a fucking joke.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

:confused: You have no idea how people are armed, so don't pretend you do.

There was a case in the news recently where around three hundred firearms and bombs where found in some nutzis house.

When I find the story again or if someone else is good enough to do it for me il link it.




Really i don't think that's a particuarly likely thing to happen in modern britain.

No but neither is the stereotypical hillbilly blasting away at black people with his shotgun.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

I would also like to inform anyone who believes anything radical says about knives. In the UK is that knives are carried mostly by young males who feel vulnerable as a result of idiots knifing people , most of those young males will never use there knives. There are those who carry knives because they will pull it out to gain "respect" or to maintain and and those who dont want to have a puncture in there chests and carry a knife in the off chance a situations arise in which it will prevent this.

[LOLseph Stalin]

Communism wont cut crime , supplying legalized easy to get hold of heroin will

That's basically why I support the legalization of drugs. If they're legalize them it just won't be worth it for crime lords to sell them for high prices since their value will go down if there's easy access to them.


Knife wielding thugs are not the flower of the working class and happy slapping ****s are not potential allies , they are scum who assult the working class

That's why they should be dealt with accordingly. Anybody who commits crimes against the working class is scum, especially when it's other members of the working class committing crimes against the working class. Surely these people have no place in a post-revolutionary society?

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

That's basically why I support the legalization of drugs. If they're legalize them it just won't be worth it for crime lords to sell them for high prices since their value will go down if there's easy access to them.


100% spot on.



That's why they should be dealt with accordingly. Anybody who commits crimes against the working class is scum, especially when it's other members of the working class committing crimes against the working class. Surely these people have no place in a post-revolutionary society?

Of course they dont but sadly there still will be scum, anyone who lives in reality recognizes that and would like to know how these people would be delt with (of course many are loons and need mental help but there are also people who just find a life of crime more appealing then contributing to society. .

[kharacter]

^^^ I don't think that most people are accurate enough with a weapon to be able to decide whether to maim or kill.

As long as the weapon is necessary for one's protection, i see no reason to object.

I think it should definitely be concealed though, to be clear (people can get nervous around weapons)



:lol: Should i be ashamed that i laughed so hard at this?
wait a second...a Malatesta avatar...laughing hard at something innocent and stupid...having a reasonable argument/response...are you my clone? :confused:
maybe you're my spiritual brother.

[8bit]

I think it should be illegal for an individual to be armed in a capitalist or socialist society, however, I don't think this limitation should stop at civilians. If the police are armed it is necessary for the people to be, but, if we disarm the strong arm of the capitalist system, we no longer need to protect ourselves from them. Both parties can discuss civilly without fearing irrational attack from the other.

[What Would Durruti Do?]

I'm not gonna lie, that one dude who brought the ar 15 to the protest was pretty badass as much as I disagree with his politics. That ***** looks like Malcolm X too.

haha i thought the same thing

[Black Cross]

I meant that a legal gun should be weak enough only to maim.

That particular comment of mine was a response to The Doctor.

But i would like to know if there are actually any guns/cartridges that aren't capable of killing or even make killing less likely than say, .22 caliber (unless you mean rubber/bb/cb, but i think those'd be strange to carry for self defense).


wait a second...a Malatesta avatar...laughing hard at something innocent and stupid...having a reasonable argument/response...are you my clone?
maybe you're my spiritual brother.

lol, thank you?

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

I think it should be illegal for an individual to be armed in a capitalist or socialist society, however, I don't think this limitation should stop at civilians. If the police are armed it is necessary for the people to be, but, if we disarm the strong arm of the capitalist system, we no longer need to protect ourselves from them. Both parties can discuss civilly without fearing irrational attack from the other.

Whats to stop the internal reactionaries from aquireing firearms the same way people do in the UK and whats to stop external reactionaries just beating you shitless?