Sunsara Taylor Does Her Best Sara Palin Imitation

[Rakhmetov]

LOL. Ah man. Who said leftists don't have a sense of humor?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLPMoKAyx-M


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJMYHTvbnEA&feature=related

[Kassad]

I wish Sunsara Taylor would do an impression of a dead person and stay that way forever.

[mosfeld]

I wish Sunsara Taylor would do an impression of a dead person and stay that way forever.

Care to elaborate why?

[Revy]

I wish Sunsara Taylor would do an impression of a dead person and stay that way forever.

I don't know, that sounds kinda harsh.

[Kassad]

Care to elaborate why?

Sunsara Taylor is a member of the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA. I don't think I need to elaborate on how skewed that makes her view of Marxism-Leninism appear. Seeing that this groups her in with the rest of the Bob Avakian cult and the Islamophobic party she claims membership with, I really don't care what she has to say about anything.

[Revy]

Sunsara Taylor is a member of the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA. I don't think I need to elaborate on how skewed that makes her view of Marxism-Leninism appear. Seeing that this groups her in with the rest of the Bob Avakian cult and the Islamophobic party she claims membership with, I really don't care what she has to say about anything.

Hmm, I've always had a higher opinion of her than Bob Avakian, as she is one of the more genuine leaders of the party and actually goes out and does things. I do think her adoration for the demigod may cloud her judgement.

Islamophobic? I think they're critical of religion in general. There's a difference between that and Islamophobia.

[FreeFocus]

Sunsara is a good orator, generally speaking. However, she's in a cult party. As an anarchist I don't like political parties much, but the only one off the top of my head that comes close to being respectable is the Party for Socialism and Liberation, everything else is a cult party, social democratic or Stalinist.

The impersonation was kind of funny though. :lol:

[Revy]

Sunsara is a good orator, generally speaking. However, she's in a cult party. As an anarchist I don't like political parties much, but the only one off the top of my head that comes close to being respectable is the Party for Socialism and Liberation, everything else is a cult party, social democratic or Stalinist.

The impersonation was kind of funny though. :lol:

Promoting my party a bit here, but the Socialist Party USA (we are NOT social democrats, most of us are revolutionary socialists) has two Co-Chairs that are replaced every two years, one male , one female. So the likelihood of a cult arising is very low.

[Radical]

haha.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrzXLYA_e6E

"What do you think of the Bush Doctrine"
......
"His world view"

Palin makes me laugh and makes me cry at the same time.
I will blow myself up if she ever becomes President

[FreeFocus]

haha.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrzXLYA_e6E

"What do you think of the Bush Doctrine"
......
"His world view"

Palin makes me laugh and makes me cry at the same time.
I will blow myself up if she ever becomes President

I miss Sarah Palin though. Good times last year. :lol:

[scarletghoul]

Sunsara Taylor is awesome, and the RCP are alright except for the cultyness.

[New Tet]

I wish Sunsara Taylor would do an impression of a dead person and stay that way forever.

That's a very fraternal thing to say, comrade.

[New Tet]

Sunsara Taylor is a member of the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA. I don't think I need to elaborate on how skewed that makes her view of Marxism-Leninism appear. Seeing that this groups her in with the rest of the Bob Avakian cult and the Islamophobic party she claims membership with, I really don't care what she has to say about anything.

Spoken like a true sectarian.

[FreeFocus]

Promoting my party a bit here, but the Socialist Party USA (we are NOT social democrats, most of us are revolutionary socialists) has two Co-Chairs that are replaced every two years, one male , one female. So the likelihood of a cult arising is very low.

Wait, the same SPUSA that put up Brian Moore, the guy who congratulated Obama after the election and pretty much said he hopes everything works out and that the left can support his presidency? The party base, i.e. individual members may not be social democrats, but the party itself surely is. Nonetheless, perhaps things have changed between November and now.


Have you been to a PSL meeting?

No, I haven't, but I like the PSL platform and their emphasis on anti-imperialism and internationalism. What goes on within the party is stuff I'm not well-versed about or privy to.

[Kassad]

Spoken like a true sectarian.

Spoken like a true person who has no idea what the difference is between party leadership and party rulers. Seeing that you didn't even taken ten seconds to refute, acknowledge or repudiate my claims, I'd assume you have no real substance to your irrelevant claim.

[New Tet]

Spoken like a true person who has no idea what the difference is between party leadership and party rulers. Seeing that you didn't even taken ten seconds to refute, acknowledge or repudiate my claims, I'd assume you have no real substance to your irrelevant claim.


I must be less intelligent than you suppose me to be because it actually took me less than ten second to acknowledge your unfraternal words and repudiate its sectarian logic, comrade.

If I were National Secretary of your party or a member of its Executive Committee and your statement came to my attention, I would move to reprimand you for wantonly expressing malignant sentiments towards a woman, a comrade from another socialist organization.

Like you, I don't agree with the RCP on most, if not all, the major points that sustain their program, but out of love for our cause and respect for a fellow socialist, I wouldn't wish the death of one of them, openly or privately. Nor would I tolerate such expressions from anyone without saying something against it.

I hope the other moderators and admin people of Revleft take an interest in the content of this thread.

[Revy]

Wait, the same SPUSA that put up Brian Moore, the guy who congratulated Obama after the election and pretty much said he hopes everything works out and that the left can support his presidency? The party base, i.e. individual members may not be social democrats, but the party itself surely is. Nonetheless, perhaps things have changed between November and now.



No, I haven't, but I like the PSL platform and their emphasis on anti-imperialism and internationalism. What goes on within the party is stuff I'm not well-versed about or privy to.

Right, after the election. Are we psychic? We made a mistake. He only won by 5 votes, 25 to 20. The other candidate who almost won, Eric Chester, was a revolutionary socialist.

Revolutionary socialist parties are not born as perfect things to adore from the beginning. The SPUSA has been radicalized extensively over the past several years and will continue to. In fact, the social democrats left quite angrily over it, they knew the direction the party was heading, and almost all of them left, their tendency within the party ceased to exist.

PSL has totally the wrong positions on "internationalism and anti-imperialism". Their version of anti-imperialism is making excuses for anti-worker, tyrannical regimes just because the US opposes them. Whereas they could follow our position, which supports the working classes of these countries against both imperialism and their governments. Instead, PSL chooses to ignore and devalue movements such as that in Iran, because they are kept in that same Workers World mindset (the party they grew out of).

[Yehuda Stern]

Right, after the election. Are we psychic? We made a mistake. He only won by 5 votes, 25 to 20. The other candidate who almost won, Eric Chester, was a revolutionary socialist.

That's the problem with parties like yours - they give the illusion of a revolutionary party while the reformists in essence are still in control. It doesn't matter that Eric Chester almost won, even if he is a revolutionary socialist - the fact is, he didn't, and you elected Brian Moore. Could you not know how Moore would act after the elections? Well, that just shows how unserious your party is regarding its politics, another characteristic you share with reformist parties and not with revolutionary ones.

[GPDP]

I'm gonna stand aside from all the stuff about which party has the better line, and simply state my disgust with Kassad's initial remarks on Sunsara Taylor. I don't care if her politics are shit (and they mostly are). That comment was way out of line.

If she has bad politics, or you disagree with her, then state that. There's absolute no reason to wish death upon her, especially if the stated reason to do so is because she gives a bad name to Marxism-Leninism. You don't see us anarchists wishing death upon ancaps, who have even less in common with us than the RCP does with the PSL.

[BobKKKindle$]

I've never understood why it is that some leftists feel the need to cast doubt on the intelligence of conservative political leaders. I'm not interested in whether these leaders are intelligent or not, what I'm more concerned about is the fact that they support the interests of the bourgeoisie, as individuals who are part of that class, and as managers of the capitalist state, and so will need to be confronted in order to further the interests of the working class, which is what we as socialists want to obtain, as supporters of working-class emancipation, through the abolition of capitalism. I find that attacking the intelligence of these leaders often degenerates into an overt form of sexism when they happen to be female, promoting the stereotype of women like Sarah Palin as ignorant about politics - plenty of videos mocking Sarah Palin have been posted on this site, but where are the videos mocking Obama, or even McCain, both of whom hold similar views to Palin? Why is mocking someone a useful political tactic, as oppossed to evaluating the class orientation of their politics? Where are the critical attempts to understand the material conditions that cause Americans to vote for these leaders and give up their time in order to help them campaign for executive office despite their reactionary policies, instead of sweeping and idealist assertions about the alleged stupidity of the American people?

As for the video itself, by describing Palin as a "nazi" or a "fascist" ("by any standard", she says) the speaker is throwing away any Marxist analysis of what fascism is, and what separates fascism from other forms of bourgeois rule, and, although she would obviously deny this, is parroting the same basic argument as the CPUSA, in that she evidently sees misogynistic politics as the exclusive preserve of the Republicans, whereas the Democrats have shown themselves capable of being just as reactionary as their opponents not only when it comes to women but also on a whole range of other issues including race and imperialism. This is the kind of analysis I've come to expect from the RCP, who simplistically described the Bush administration as a fascist government, and raised the slogan "drive out the Bush regime", thereby inferring that Obama's election signaled some kind of victory over fascism.

And yes Kassad, that comment was out of line. Don't do it again.

[anticap]

Not to mention the obvious fact that the effect of mocking someone like Sarah Palin as ignorant and "folksy" is exactly opposite to what is presumably desired. It only reinforces the stereotype of the Left as elitist, intellectual snobs, looking down their noses at the working class. The natural reaction for those folks is to gravitate toward a Sarah Palin as "one of them." It makes no difference that the mockery is accurate and the reaction is misguided.

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

Wow, Sunsara did something funny/interesting/original for the first time in years!

*sighs* I miss the playfulness, humor, and antics of the Revolutionary Communist Youth Brigade that I originally joined back in high school... Not the cold, humorless, puritanical Revolution Clubs that I left a year and a half ago... Damn shame.

[Communist]

>>I miss the playfulness, humor, and antics of the Revolutionary Communist Youth Brigade that I originally joined back in high school... Not the cold, humorless, puritanical Revolution Clubs that I left a year and a half ago... Damn shame<<

Was it the Youth Brigade that burst into the cafeteria of an African-American high school (in California I think) and started chanting before the students pelted them with milk, food and garbage? I read about that somewhere but can't recall specifics. I'm sure it was some branch of the RCP and I think it happened in the early 1980's.
The RCP back then sure had some bizarre tactics.

[n0thing]

Sunsara and the RCP set themselves apart from other marxist-leninists by condemning the murderous, homophobic Iranian dictatorship. Because of this, she is "islamophobic".

She seems pretty bright too. Most marxist-leninists take issue with that.

[Communist]

Sunsara and the RCP set themselves apart from other marxist-leninists by condemning the murderous, homophobic Iranian dictatorship. Because of this, she is "islamophobic".
She seems pretty bright too. Most marxist-leninists take issue with that.

We don't have any problem with you then.

Seriously, Taylor is all right, and I know next to nothing of any "Islamophobia", however M-L communists see nothing worthy in the Iranian regime other than their anti-imperialist stance.
It's that strange Avakian cult that puts everyone off. The "L. Ron Hubbard" of the...the Left.
That aspect sets the RCP apart too you know.

[Wanted Man]

Sunsara and the RCP set themselves apart from other marxist-leninists by condemning the murderous, homophobic Iranian dictatorship. Because of this, she is "islamophobic".
Actually, all M-L parties have taken the same position. Except for 3 parties, none of which even really claim the "legacy" of marxism-leninism (as far as I know, anyway). I agree that "islamophobic" is just about the dumbest criticism one could make of the RCP, or the other 99% of the revolutionary left in the world, who all desire the overthrow of the Islamic Republic.

Check it out: http://www.revleft.com/vb/parties-and-organizations-t111281/index.html


She seems pretty bright too. Most marxist-leninists take issue with that.
I like her, and I agree with you. Whoever posted the comment that she should roll over and die should shut the fuck up, IMO.