How exactly has this forum run afoul with so called Left-Libertarians

[Conquer or Die]

or mutualists, or free market socialists, or left self improvement cults.

To me this indicates a fatal flaw in the operation of this website. By permanently restricting fascists we are unable to educate them. By holding the forum name "rev-left" we disengage from mainstream politicos and especially (in my country) the majority of Republicans. This throws us into a quasi-political mess that has us debating theoretical suppositions on the morality of human beings and leader idolatry which is completely removed from any semblance of science, and very remotely tied to practice.

In their mind, these flies are attracted to an oddball political site and are intent on spreading Left Anti? Capitalist anti state neo Tolstoy proto libertarian quackery. We're even losing our pro-slavery "anarcho" capitalists at a rapid rate due to the vapid nature of what this place has become.

I think this forum is busy educating no one and instead providing a couple of trolls some lulz.

[GPDP]

Dude. There's only like, four or five or so left-libertarians/mutualists in all of Revleft. I don't see the problem with that.

I will give you, though, that we do attract a lot of users with really oddball views.

[Conquer or Die]

Dude. There's only like, four or five or so left-libertarians/mutualists in all of Revleft. I don't see the problem with that.


Hayenmill and that cult fanatic are currently the only people engaging in debate and they're dragging the whole place down with the most perfectly acclimated anti/pro capitalist/socialist nonsense I've ever seen.

OI is a failure.

[Havet]

Haven't you got anything better to do than to make a thread about me? I mean, I know i'm cool and smart, but really, there was no need for this.

You could be doing other productive things. For example, you could be arguing against my posts instead of making a thread whining about them :lol:

[IcarusAngel]

I've also gone more in the mutualist direction, so there are 6 of us. But I mainly post in OI anyway so it's all right. I find it frustrating to argue with people who only think in terms of "communist economics" and "capitalist" economics or "command" and "free-market." The false dichotomoies that right-wing Libertarians provide us are endless and harmful to discussion.

I see a need for communities, and I see a need for maximized individual freedom which imo would necessitate opposing capitalism. Even some communal communists believed in individual freedom, just that the community was the best way to provide it.

So, in short I think free anti-capitalism is the best way to get people away from Libertarianism and into leftist thinking.

[IcarusAngel]

Where can you find these books online: The Political Economy of Participatory Economics and The ABC's of Political economy.

The former used to be here: http://www.zmag.org/books/polpar.htm but the link isn't working.

http://www.paecon.net/

[Havet]

Where can you find these books online: The Political Economy of Participatory Economics and The ABC's of Political economy.

The former used to be here: http://www.zmag.org/books/polpar.htm but the link isn't working.

http://www.paecon.net/

I'd also add Studies In Mutualist Political Economy (http://mutualist.org/id47.html) as a good read.

[Conquer or Die]

Mutualism's existence is I'm sure critical in some areas of philosophical and economic thought. Mutualists hold no power, anywhere. They are not useful for combating imperialism, ending capitalism, or convincing the supremacists that supremacy is wrong.

[IcarusAngel]

And where do socialists hold power?

The biggest threat is not fascism, it's right-wing capitalism. Most fascists are completely discredited anyway. Interestingly enough, it is Libertarians, not fascists, who are trying to make racism 'acceptable' again by saying that if you're poor and black it's only because you deserve it, and by engaging in a lot of immigrant bashing.

(and checking out the mutualist book. looks good. However, I'm going to email carson and ask him what he thinks of Chomsky now, given that all of chomskys' predictions on american imperialism have been shown to be accurate once again.)

[Conquer or Die]

And where do socialists hold power?

Socialists are making inroads in South East Asia. There is also hope for Latin America.


The biggest threat is not fascism, it's right-wing capitalism. Most fascists are completely discredited anyway. Interestingly enough, it is Libertarians, not fascists, who are trying to make racism 'acceptable' again by saying that if you're poor and black it's only because you deserve it, and by engaging in a lot of immigrant bashing.

Fascism is making a comeback because it's popular to many libertarians. They view the state as predatory because it denies a natural privilege bestowed upon the master class. The examples of their rhetoric are clear; they want a supremacy super structure.

[h0m0revolutionary]

Socialists are making inroads in South East Asia. There is also hope for Latin America.

You was asked where socialists hold power. You failed.




Fascism is making a comeback because it's popular to many libertarians.

You're thick.

[Conquer or Die]

You was asked where socialists hold power. You failed.

Socialists hold power in India and Nepal and the Philippines.

There is also a broad populist/socialist anti imperialist power structure in Latin America.

This is a fact.





You're thick.

You're irrelevant.

Anarchists of every stripe are intent on fucking up the cause of communism because of the "freedom" question and they all seem intent on devising power structures of "freedom" to dictate to the masses. They are also historically tolerant of religion, especially Jews.

[Pogue]

or mutualists, or free market socialists, or left self improvement cults.

To me this indicates a fatal flaw in the operation of this website. By permanently restricting fascists we are unable to educate them. By holding the forum name "rev-left" we disengage from mainstream politicos and especially (in my country) the majority of Republicans. This throws us into a quasi-political mess that has us debating theoretical suppositions on the morality of human beings and leader idolatry which is completely removed from any semblance of science, and very remotely tied to practice.

In their mind, these flies are attracted to an oddball political site and are intent on spreading Left Anti? Capitalist anti state neo Tolstoy proto libertarian quackery. We're even losing our pro-slavery "anarcho" capitalists at a rapid rate due to the vapid nature of what this place has become.

I think this forum is busy educating no one and instead providing a couple of trolls some lulz.

Revleft isn't a school. We are not here to educate non-revolutionaries. That is what real life activism is for. This is a forum for revolutionaries to discuss with other revolutionaries and thus non revolutionaries are not welcome outside of OI.

[Raúl Duke]

Dude. There's only like, four or five or so left-libertarians/mutualists in all of Revleft. I don't see the problem with that.

I will give you, though, that we do attract a lot of users with really oddball views.

That's what OI is for, who cares if we have many left-libertarians now. In fact, they're (sometimes) probably the more interesting OIers in terms of debating with (in comparison to Bud, etc.) The only annoying libertarian (if he labels himself like that...I really don't know) is trivas.



Social Anarchists of every stripe are intent on fucking up the cause of Leninism because of the "workers' holding power or some self-proclaimed vanguard elite" question. Fixed
If such is the case, then I say we should be doing a good job at it!



They are also historically tolerant of religion, especially Jews.:rolleyes:

These days the only section of the Left that panders to religion is more often the Leninist left (with the story being that allegedly the SWP (UK) being the most into religious tailism) .

Some of the most hardcore anti-theists here (example: TAT) are anarchists while many of the religion apologists that I've seen amongst the committed membership are Leninists

Also, provide example/source of this "tolerance to judaism"

[Conquer or Die]

Revleft isn't a school. We are not here to educate non-revolutionaries. That is what real life activism is for. This is a forum for revolutionaries to discuss with other revolutionaries and thus non revolutionaries are not welcome outside of OI.

So the purpose of OI is to share masturbating techniques with people who do not hold the same generalized viewpoint as you? The more you know!

[danyboy27]

So the purpose of OI is to share masturbating techniques with people who do not hold the same generalized viewpoint as you? The more you know!

if you dont like the OI leave it, this forum is big enough for that.

[Conquer or Die]

That's what OI is for, who cares if we have many left-libertarians now. In fact, they're (sometimes) probably the more interesting OIers in terms of debating with (in comparison to Bud, etc.) The only annoying libertarian (if he labels himself like that...I really don't know) is trivas.

Wrong; the point I'm making about left-libertarians is that they do not participate in any meaningful education process on either side of the fence. They are an irrelevant bunch of pseudo cultists with limited impact that is exclusively limited to the internet. We are not getting the RIGHT people here to debate and are instead piddling away with these self improvement gurus who hold up Ghandi as the great revolutionary figure.



If such is the case, then I say we should be doing a good job at it!
:laugh: Anarkeez is freedoom!


These days the only section of the Left that panders to religion is more often the Leninist left (with the story being that allegedly the SWP (UK) being the most into religious tailism) .

And the Anarchists, tolerant freedom lovers they are, wish to fuck with a conception that painfully fucks them in the ass at every turn while dragging down the anti-capitalist, anti-imperialist movement in the process.



Also, provide example/source of this "tolerance to judaism"

Anarchists have problems with Jews. Anarchists have problems with Spirituality. Anarchists have problem with authority that isn't their own. Anarchists have lots of problems and they fuck up radical left wing politics and provide ideological defense for slavery capitalism.

[SocialismOrBarbarism]

I kind of agree..."mutualism" seems in some cases just a way for libertarians to get around being restricted and to spread their capitalist bs.

[h0m0revolutionary]

Anarchists have problems with Jews. Anarchists have problems with Spirituality. Anarchists have problem with authority that isn't their own. Anarchists have lots of problems and they fuck up radical left wing politics and provide ideological defense for slavery capitalism.

Proof please?

And.. are you drunk?

[Havet]

I kind of agree..."mutualism" seems in some cases just a way for libertarians to get around being restricted and to spread their capitalist bs.

I don't see where's the capitalist bullshit in mutualism. Have you actually ever read anything about mutualism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutualism)?

[RGacky3]

Anarchists have problems with Jews. Anarchists have problems with Spirituality. Anarchists have problem with authority that isn't their own. Anarchists have lots of problems and they fuck up radical left wing politics and provide ideological defense for slavery capitalism.

What are you talking about. Many prominent anarchists ARE jews, much of the history of anarchism in America comes from some jewish areas. I don't know what you mean by 'problem with spirituality' as spirituality is a compleatly different subject. Anarchists have problems with ALL authority, (every group has problems with authority thats not their own).

How do they provide a defense for slavery capitalism again?

I think he's drunk/high.

[Conquer or Die]

Proof please?

Left Anarchist ideological hero Proudhon hated the Jews. Hitler's favorite composer was an anarchist.

Anarchy encourages infatuated rhetoric with impossible practical conclusions. This is why Anarchists fail repeatedly at doing anything productive.

Right Anarchists get to support racism and slavery.

The freedom in all of this is lost on the non-believers. Who are likely religious fanatics or Catholic Leninists.


And.. are you drunk?

Drunk with revolution, comrade.

[Conquer or Die]

What are you talking about. Many prominent anarchists ARE jews, much of the history of anarchism in America comes from some jewish areas. I don't know what you mean by 'problem with spirituality' as spirituality is a compleatly different subject. Anarchists have problems with ALL authority, (every group has problems with authority thats not their own).

Karl Marx managed to defend National liberation, cultural tolerance, and anti capitalism. Anarchists historically have a problem with these tenants of struggle.


How do they provide a defense for slavery capitalism again?

This would be the anarcho-capitalist faction.


I think he's drunk/high.

Inaccurate.

[Havet]

Left Anarchist ideological hero Proudhon hated the Jews. Hitler's favorite composer was an anarchist.

This is irrelevant. You are attacking the man not the ideas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hom).


Anarchy encourages infatuated rhetoric with impossible practical conclusions. This is why Anarchists fail repeatedly at doing anything productive. proof?


Right Anarchists get to support racism and slavery. I'll give you this one as true, but what does it matter anyway? we're discussing left-libertarians, not right-libertarians.


Drunk with revolution, comrade.

This?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MldWhzeCeuM/SaxmVj0oU2I/AAAAAAAAATs/zjJICGkcL-A/s400/018.jpg

http://distimages.usana.com/distimages/2843/37content/REV-Can-Combo.jpg

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Wrong; the point I'm making about left-libertarians is that they do not participate in any meaningful education process on either side of the fence. They are an irrelevant bunch of pseudo cultists with limited impact that is exclusively limited to the internet. We are not getting the RIGHT people here to debate and are instead piddling away with these self improvement gurus who hold up Ghandi as the great revolutionary figure.


:laugh: Anarkeez is freedoom!


And the Anarchists, tolerant freedom lovers they are, wish to fuck with a conception that painfully fucks them in the ass at every turn while dragging down the anti-capitalist, anti-imperialist movement in the process.



Anarchists have problems with Jews. Anarchists have problems with Spirituality. Anarchists have problem with authority that isn't their own. Anarchists have lots of problems and they fuck up radical left wing politics and provide ideological defense for slavery capitalism.

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/2550/censoredmarx.jpg

[Demogorgon]

Left Anarchist ideological hero Proudhon hated the Jews.
I am certainly not an anarchist, but this sort of thing annoys me. Proudhon the man was hopelessly inconsistent. His anti-Semitism blatantly contradicted his other policies. However that means those policies themselves are not anti-semitic and can be considered quite separately from the man's personal failings.

[RGacky3]

Drunk with revolution, comrade.

Inaccurate.

Cool, your just dumb.


Hitler's favorite composer was an anarchist.

Well Goddamn, your a freaking idiot.


Anarchy encourages infatuated rhetoric with impossible practical conclusions. This is why Anarchists fail repeatedly at doing anything productive.

Right Anarchists get to support racism and slavery.

The freedom in all of this is lost on the non-believers. Who are likely religious fanatics or Catholic Leninists.


Right Anarchists are not anarchists. Thats like saying National Bolsheviks are actual Leninists.

Anarchism encourages solidarity and direct action.


Karl Marx managed to defend National liberation, cultural tolerance, and anti capitalism. Anarchists historically have a problem with these tenants of struggle.


When?


This would be the anarcho-capitalist faction.

Again, national bolsheviks.

Sega dude, seriously, give it up, you got nothing, your making your self look retarded.

[danyboy27]

i am not sure what really is the main objective of this thread, to whine about the left libertarian, the anarchist, the admin or the OI.

i am confused.

[Havet]

i am not sure what really is the main objective of this thread, to whine about the left libertarian, the anarchist, the admin or the OI.

i am confused.

Well let me explain that to you

Sega Communist is whining about left libertarians and OI

left libertarians are whining at him and defending their "idelogy"

now he is whining at anarchists as well, and making a whole mess by mixing different ideologies and using hasty generalizations, as well as empty sentences.

nothing to see here, move along please.

[Pogue]

Left Anarchist ideological hero Proudhon hated the Jews. Hitler's favorite composer was an anarchist.

Anarchy encourages infatuated rhetoric with impossible practical conclusions. This is why Anarchists fail repeatedly at doing anything productive.

Right Anarchists get to support racism and slavery.

The freedom in all of this is lost on the non-believers. Who are likely religious fanatics or Catholic Leninists.


Drunk with revolution, comrade.

There is no such thing as a 'right anarchist', and if you supprot slavery it is impossible to be an 'anarchist'. I have yet to meet an anarchist who doesn't reject Proudhons views, and the fact Hitler liked an anarchists musics is totally irrelevant, as anyone with half a brain should be able to recognise.

[danyboy27]

Well let me explain that to you

Sega Communist is whining about left libertarians and OI

left libertarians are whining at him and defending their "idelogy"

now he is whining at anarchists as well, and making a whole mess by mixing different ideologies and using hasty generalizations, as well as empty sentences.

nothing to see here, move along please.
so thereis no debate?

[GPDP]

This whole thread:

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/1/15/633676176353458617-coolstorybro.jpg

[Havet]

so thereis no debate?

as you can state: no. Sega communist is clearly not here to debate, just to troll and to whine without caring to present logical arguments.

[Conquer or Die]

as you can state: no. Sega communist is clearly not here to debate, just to troll and to whine without caring to present logical arguments.

I've made clear the intent of this thread is to propose the problem with OI. That it's not promoting anything other than self-fulfilling prophets coming here and confusing arguments. Instead of time spent arguing with fascists, imperialists, republicans, libertarians, liberals, and revisionists we spend time dealing with self quoting religious socialist-libertarians who offer no real significant platform with which debate is worthwhile. You people won't even form practical support to anti-imperialism -which is THE significant crisis in the world today. Instead you wish to form individualist communes. This is akin to primitivism, also a worthless fetish phantasy that leftists need not be busy debating.

There isn't a single liberal understanding Obama's lies and imperialism. Not a single libertarian understanding the purpose of the property system. Not a single fascist understanding the armageddon inevitable from their pathology.

[Havet]

I've made clear the intent of this thread is to propose the problem with OI. That it's not promoting anything other than self-fulfilling prophets coming here and confusing arguments. Instead of time spent arguing with fascists, imperialists, republicans, libertarians, liberals, and revisionists we spend time dealing with self quoting religious socialist-libertarians who offer no real significant platform with which debate is worthwhile. You people won't even form practical support to anti-imperialism -which is THE significant crisis in the world today. Instead you wish to form individualist communes. This is akin to primitivism, also a worthless fetish phantasy that leftists need not be busy debating.

There isn't a single liberal understanding Obama's lies and imperialism. Not a single libertarian understanding the purpose of the property system. Not a single fascist understanding the armageddon inevitable from their pathology.

Time IS spent arguing with republicans, libertarians, liberals and revisionists around here.

If by "we" you include yourself then you should start to change your attitude before attributing such actions to the whole collective members in revleft.

And i don't see whats the importance of socialists-libertarians being religious. You really ought to study LOGIC. Check my fucking links for once, will you (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hom)?

And how the hell do you assume we "don't even form practical support to anti-imperialism"? See, you take this catchy sentences from your ass and fail to supply evidence backing them up.

How the hell are individualist communes (something i never heard of to begin with) related to primitivism? Do you even know what primitivism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primitivism) is? I don't think so. So stop making idiotic comparisons please.

[Durruti's Ghost]

Sega Communist: Please define left-libertarian. You seem to be using it as a blanket term for genuine anarchists (communists, collectivists, syndicalists, and mutualists) and "anarcho"-capitalists. Furthermore, you seem to be implying that your legitimate arguments against "anarcho"-capitalists apply to anarchists as well. They do not.

In other words, wtf are you on about? I seriously do not understand this thread. :confused:

[Raúl Duke]

"Wrong; the point I'm making about left-libertarians is that they do not participate in any meaningful education process on either side of the fence. They are an irrelevant bunch of pseudo cultists with limited impact that is exclusively limited to the internet. We are not getting the RIGHT people here to debate and are instead piddling away with these self improvement gurus who hold up Ghandi as the great revolutionary figure."Unless you are talking about Howard, then yes he's irrelevant. But if you are talking about Hayenmill, and by looking at his current posts, he seems to be a pretty good contributer to OI.


"And the Anarchists, tolerant freedom lovers they are, wish to fuck with a conception that painfully fucks them in the ass at every turn while dragging down the anti-capitalist, anti-imperialist movement in the process."Non-Sense


"Anarchists have problems with Jews. Anarchists have problems with Spirituality. Anarchists have problem with authority that isn't their own. Anarchists have lots of problems and they fuck up radical left wing politics and provide ideological defense for slavery capitalism."More Non-Sense

None of which is backed up


"Left Anarchist ideological hero Proudhon hated the Jews. Hitler's favorite composer was an anarchist."No modern anarchist gives a rat's ass about Proudhon plus Hitler's favorite composer was Wagner and I never heard that he was an anarchist.


"Anarchy encourages infatuated rhetoric with impossible practical conclusions. This is why Anarchists fail repeatedly at doing anything productive."If the conclusion you speak about is communism, then you are on the same boat.

Anarchists do have a possivle method to establishing socialism (and reaching communism), some theorized (most of the praxis in anarchist-communism) and some attempted (Anarchist-Syndicalism; i.e. Anarchist Catalunya)


"Karl Marx managed to defend National liberation, cultural tolerance, and anti capitalism. Anarchists historically have a problem with these tenants of struggle."From what I know, Marx didn't explicitly defended "National Liberation" (although there was hints of his anti-imperialism due to some quotes about Ireland) nor did he care about cultural tolerance. All social anarchists are anti-capitalist and never had any problem with anti-capitalism and class struggle.

[Conquer or Die]

Time IS spent arguing with republicans, libertarians, liberals and revisionists around here.

No, it's not. There are some alleged conservatives on this board but they are lulzing this place to sleep.


If by "we" you include yourself then you should start to change your attitude before attributing such actions to the whole collective members in revleft.

I'm suggesting that there's a problem with a oddball left streak doing the majority of the new posting in a board that is dedicated to education.


And i don't see whats the importance of socialists-libertarians being religious. You really ought to study LOGIC. Check my fucking links for once, will you (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hom)?

I'm making broad generalizations based on observations. I'm not going to get into a pee-pee logic exam with you.


And how the hell do you assume we "don't even form practical support to anti-imperialism"? See, you take this catchy sentences from your ass and fail to supply evidence backing them up.

Give me an example of a Mutualist committing to anti imperialist activity right now.


How the hell are individualist communes (something i never heard of to begin with) related to primitivism? Do you even know what primitivism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primitivism) is? I don't think so. So stop making idiotic comparisons please.

I'm obviously trying to understand the gaping fucking divide between left libertarians and reality. The combination of adjectives is astounding.

[Conquer or Die]

From what I know, Marx didn't explicitly defended "National Liberation" (although there was hints of his anti-imperialism due to some quotes about Ireland) nor did he care about cultural tolerance. All social anarchists are anti-capitalist and never had any problem with anti-capitalism and class struggle.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/subject/ireland/index.htm

Marx inherently rejected his cultural white bias and supported the role of national liberation for the Irish and Poles. Fucked over Anarchists in the Jewish Question and supported the end of slavery in America. This is why Leninism is perfectly compatible with Marxism.

[Conquer or Die]

This thread was not well thought out or defended and I apologize for doing not much more than trolling.

[Jack]

Unless you are talking about Howard, then yes he's irrelevant.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!

Sorry, but I've started using flag.blackened.net forums, and he's on there and annoys the shit out of me. Check it out and be prepared to hang yourself.

Also, Hitler's favorite composer was Wagner, who was a goddamn nationalist.

[Durruti's Ghost]

Isn't Howard the guy that keeps going on about how Gandhi was an anarchist and consistently ignores the fact that Gandhi supported the fucking caste system?

Now that's my kind of anarchist! :rolleyes:

[Havet]

Give me an example of a Mutualist committing to anti imperialist activity right now.


If i remember correctly, your sentence was: "You people won't even form practical support to anti-imperialism". It should be you providing evidence for your position. But of course, that is impossible, because you would have to spends months looking into every mutualist and his/her activities.

Instead I ask you this: what do you define as practical support to anti-imperialism?

And make a poll to see how many of the "true leftists" according to you actually practice what you define.

[Old Man Diogenes]

Hitler's favorite composer was an anarchist.

Honestly how the fuck is this even relevant? I didn't know everyone had to take up the ideoligical stance of their favorite composers. Hitler probably enjoyed that composer because of his music, certainly not because he was an anarchist.

[Old Man Diogenes]

Also, Hitler's favorite composer was Wagner, who was a goddamn nationalist.

And a suuuuuuuuuper Anti-Semite.

[Raúl Duke]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!

Sorry, but I've started using flag.blackened.net forums, and he's on there and annoys the shit out of me. Check it out and be prepared to hang yourself.

Also, Hitler's favorite composer was Wagner, who was a goddamn nationalist.

I took a little look and I understand your pain now...

He even stated that Rothbard is a "real anarchist"...wtf?

Perhaps he will be restricted soon enough and then there will be a real actual reason to complain of "left"-libertarians "fouling" up OI (but hey, at least he won't be able to "foul" up the rest of the board)...

[Havet]

I took a little look and I understand your pain now...

He even stated that Rothbard is a "real anarchist"...wtf?

Perhaps he will be restricted soon enough and then there will be a real actual reason to complain of "left"-libertarians "fouling" up OI (but hey, at least he won't be able to "foul" up the rest of the board)...

I agree...some of Howard's arguments look pretty far from actual left-libertarian theory. He might be confusing rothbard with left-rothbardians at some point.

[Blackscare]

And the Anarchists, tolerant freedom lovers they are, wish to fuck with a conception that painfully fucks them in the ass at every turn while dragging down the anti-capitalist, anti-imperialist movement in the process.



You are such an idiot! I don't know where to begin... just... GET OFF MY COMPUTER!!!!

http://earthfirst.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/glenn-beck.jpg

[Havet]

You are such an idiot! I don't know where to begin... just... GET OFF MY COMPUTER!!!!

http://earthfirst.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/glenn-beck.jpg

lulz :lol:

[RHIZOMES]

or mutualists, or free market socialists, or left self improvement cults.

To me this indicates a fatal flaw in the operation of this website. By permanently restricting fascists we are unable to educate them. By holding the forum name "rev-left" we disengage from mainstream politicos and especially (in my country) the majority of Republicans. This throws us into a quasi-political mess that has us debating theoretical suppositions on the morality of human beings and leader idolatry which is completely removed from any semblance of science, and very remotely tied to practice.

In their mind, these flies are attracted to an oddball political site and are intent on spreading Left Anti? Capitalist anti state neo Tolstoy proto libertarian quackery. We're even losing our pro-slavery "anarcho" capitalists at a rapid rate due to the vapid nature of what this place has become.

I think this forum is busy educating no one and instead providing a couple of trolls some lulz.

Oh no we don't attract Republicans stop the presses

[9]

I think the poster makes a valid point.
Political opponents have, on innumerable occasions, written me off as an "anarchist". They have also written me off as a "self-hating Jew".
Therefore, anarchists hate Jews.
Simple math.
:laugh: