Sacked on Facebook

[Bitter Ashes]

http://dizzythinks.net/2009/08/fired-on-facebook.html

*groans*

I think she's learnt a very important lesson there hasn't she?
I think the lesson is to NEVER trust your employer, ever. Thoughtcrime can lead to dismissal. >.>
Anyone know who these are?

[RedAnarchist]

She doesn't even sound serious, but mroe stressed out and annoyed. Her employer obviously has a very thin skin.

[Bitter Ashes]

She also doesnt specifically say that the employer had been perving on her, so why's he assuming that's what she meant?

[Axle]

Never, ever, EVER trust your employers and managers.

Something very similar happened to me almost two years ago. It was a good lesson about how employers really view their workers.

[Bitter Ashes]

The fun I have on Facebook. Nothing like the threat of an illegal blacklisting from the bourgeois huh?
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/2505/sackedonfacebook2.th.jpg (http://img193.imageshack.us/i/sackedonfacebook2.jpg/)
edit: changed the image to a thumbnail. Click on it to read about the "fun" I've been having on Facebook today.

[Sarah Palin]

Similar thing happened with me, though regarding school. You gotta tinker around with the privacy settings, but what does that say about our society. I was under the impression we had freedom of fucking speech, but I guess I was wrong. Fuck everyone who tries to curtail freedom of speech!

[rednordman]

http://dizzythinks.net/2009/08/fired-on-facebook.html

*groans*

I think the lesson is to NEVER trust your employer, ever. Thoughtcrime can lead to dismissal. >.>
Anyone know who these are?Groans indeed! Why do people feel obligated to stick up for the buisness/company? All she did was say something about not liking her boss or job?-isnt this simply just freedom of expression, that everyone goes on about?

Iv had this sort of thing happen before. I was talking with somemates about a girl who did exactly this. She worked at one of the largest supermarket chains in the uk, and badmouthed the company of a forum (something like myspace or facebook). They somehow saw this and sacked her, or something like that (she was on this forum infact, so if you are reading this could you please verify if im correct)

When I mentioned what happened to my mate, they got all worked up and where totally unsympathetic. They said that it served her right, and that the company had a right to sack her for this as it could damage its reputation...I mean damage its reputation? Like the opinion of just one person is going to put all the customers off shopping there?-I was a little bit lost for words.

I tell you what, this poses a question to anyone who truely believes that we have freedom of speech in the west. Harmlessly bashing a workplace on a internet forum is not the same as spreading hate like the BNP is it? So why do people think that the same punishment should go with it (blacklisting and sacking)?

[Bitter Ashes]

I did actualy have a similar thing happen with me too with my diary on Myspace. I hadnt invited anyone from work to view it, but my employer got hold of it all the same. Apparantly I'd put the company in a negative light for stating that I was one of thier employees whilst also bieng out about my sexuality on Myspace. It pisses me off immensly. I'm paid a wage, not a salary. When I clock out, then they should have no authority over what the hell I do because it's not in paid time. Not that I believe they should have any authority in paid time either, but if they want to play by the rulebook then they should die by the rulebook too.

[rednordman]

Never, ever, EVER trust your employers and managers.

Something very similar happened to me almost two years ago. It was a good lesson about how employers really view their workers.A line that needs discussion not just on this forum, but in society as a whole.

[rednordman]

I did actualy have a similar thing happen with me too with my diary on Myspace. I hadnt invited anyone from work to view it, but my employer got hold of it all the same. Apparantly I'd put the company in a negative light for stating that I was one of thier employees whilst also bieng out about my sexuality on Myspace. It pisses me off immensly. I'm paid a wage, not a salary. When I clock out, then they should have no authority over what the hell I do because it's not in paid time. Not that I believe they should have any authority in paid time either, but if they want to play by the rulebook then they should die by the rulebook too.What actually happened to you in the end? Did they get the right to punish you? or did you union sort them out, like they deserved to be sorted out?

[Bitter Ashes]

Iv had this sort of thing happen before. I was talking with somemates about a girl who did exactly this. She worked at one of the largest supermarket chains in the uk, and badmouthed the company of a forum (something like myspace or facebook). They somehow saw this and sacked her, or something like that (she was on this forum infact, so if you are reading this could you please verify if im correct)
Haha! I just posted about that too. It was me I think! :p
http://www.revleft.com/vb/constructive-dismissal-t102603/index.html?highlight=morrisons

[rednordman]

Haha! I just posted about that too. It was me I think! :p
http://www.revleft.com/vb/constructive-dismissal-t102603/index.html?highlight=morrisons:blushing:Dam, that actually wound me up enough to mention it to some mates, who subsequently released what its known as 'verbal diarrea'. How did i not realise? (its been a long day)

[Bitter Ashes]

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/5637/sackedonfacebook4.th.jpg (http://img34.imageshack.us/i/sackedonfacebook4.jpg/)
The arguement on Facebook continues (click on the thumbnail)
I am now recieving threats on my current job as well...

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/5637/sackedonfacebook4.th.jpg (http://img34.imageshack.us/i/sackedonfacebook4.jpg/)
The arguement on Facebook continues (click on the thumbnail)
I am now recieving threats on my current job as well...

You know those cretins? My condolences.

[Bitter Ashes]

Sadly I do. They both went to school with my best friend's boyfriend. I particually like how one of them is actualy called "David Cameron". Most ammusingly, he lives just across the road to me. The main difference bieng that he lives in the controversial new "luxuary apartments" that are in the middle of what's a quite poor estate, while I'm sharing a lodger in one of the crappy houses opposite. The walls and gates around those flats really do make the whole class difference stand out. It's almost like an old Norman Motte and Bailey Castle, with the peasants in the shacks at the bottom of the hill and the lords and ladies in thier well defended keep at the top.

[What Would Durruti Do?]

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/5637/sackedonfacebook4.th.jpg (http://img34.imageshack.us/i/sackedonfacebook4.jpg/)
The arguement on Facebook continues (click on the thumbnail)
I am now recieving threats on my current job as well...

Whoever that is with the RV/Camper thing as their profile picture is rather (ok, very) unintelligent. You need to add all of Revleft on Facebook and let us take care of them. :D

[gorillafuck]

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/5637/sackedonfacebook4.th.jpg (http://img34.imageshack.us/i/sackedonfacebook4.jpg/)
The arguement on Facebook continues (click on the thumbnail)
I am now recieving threats on my current job as well...
You know somebody named Bong?

[RotStern]

Lol Yep Never trust your employers >.>

[mel]

I just read all of that, what a bunch of fucking assholes. I'm sorry that's what you have to put up with.

[Bitter Ashes]

You know somebody named Bong?
Yes and the guy with the caravan's nickname is Fish. Why?

I wouldnt add people randomly from Revleft to my Facebook anyway. I dont think it'd be productive for them to have strangers shouting at them :p

[h0m0revolutionary]

Hopefully the lesson she learned was don't add your fucking boss on facebook! Don't socialise with them in anyway, they will never be our friends.

[Invader Zim]

Well, it is deaply unfair what happened to her. However, a lesson for all; never, ever, allow your boss to see your social-networking page and if you can't prevent that don't post anything about work or your boss.

Leave that to the pub with your mates, after work.

[nuisance]

Probably desverved it.

[RedAnarchist]

Probably desverved it.

Why?

[Pogue]

Stupid thing to do, but when your pissed off you don't think. Don't add your boss to facebook obviously, mind what you say.

[Pogue]

However couldn't you go to the courts and argue something like there is no proof it was her on the account, she got hacked, etc? Its a long shot but you know.

[nuisance]

Why?
Cos she's female. Duh.

[Bitter Ashes]

However couldn't you go to the courts and argue something like there is no proof it was her on the account, she got hacked, etc? Its a long shot but you know.
You could argue it, but with the level of surviellance state in the UK, it'd be pretty hard for her to prove that it wasnt her. There's also the question of motive, by the sounds of things she does actualy have a very troublesome boss, judged from the manner the boss conducted himself on Facebook, so she would have the motive to actualy condemn him, because, well, he is an asshole. While she would obviously know that, how many others would also know that who were in contact with the girl and would want to bring about the situation of exacting his wrath.

So, I doubt she'd win it.

The right for her to give her opinion on her boss, or company is restricted too. We all know that employment tribunals are a farce and the precedent in them is that the tribunals consider it to be fair dismissal, even though the law doesnt actualy state this! She has been employed for less than a year though, which makes her fair game for ANY kind of dismissal, except from a certain list which I'll add now:


You lost your job because:
You are pregnant
of your sex, race, or disability
you refused to undertake dangerous or unsafe activities which posed a threat of physical injury
you tried to join a union.
you "blew the whistle" on wrongdoings at work.
you asserted your right to be paid the minimum wage, or took action against your employer for a breach of employment law.

[Colonello Buendia]

regardless of the fact that the manager has clearly over reacted, I don't think calling them a pervy wanker is going to do much to your employability I know that I'd want someone fired if they said that about me without any basis in evidence

[Bitter Ashes]

There's also the fact that she is likely to be a waged employee. If she's on Facebook, then we can assume that she wasnt clocked in for work. I thought the whole capitalist's attempt to "justify" the dictatorships of employers, was that wages were bieng exchanged for freedom. So, if she's not bieng paid at that moment, then there is no exchange taking place, so they are taking her freedom without even attempting to give her wages while doing it!

This is something that really pisses me off. They'll make these rules and then they'll walk all over them. If we ever question thier rules, they stomp on us.

[Bitter Ashes]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/7914415.stm

Similar case. I thought it was the same one at first, but there are some differences.

[Pogue]

She's in a similar position to me when i got the chop then, i.e. a yougn worker still on the 'trial period'. Alot of employers use this trial period because its easy to sack people during it. You just choose not to continue their trial period. Although I was nto sacked for saying something like this, I was part of a wave of sackings the company made and told us it would make to cut costs, i.e. to increase profit. I feel sorry for her. As we know all bosses are utter ****s so she was probably justified. I think you can act pervy and also be gay too, it would just usggest your attitude is generally intimidating or demeaning to women. I consider pervy behaviour to be a form of sexual assault (and often the two overlap anyway, i.e. being a 'perv' can be physical) and a gay man could sexually assault a woman.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Adding her boss to her Friends list was her first mistake. Personally I wouldn't even add coworkers because you never know who might rat you out.

[Gravedigger01]

very unprofessional of the boss to fire her for voicing her opinion no matter how much of a ***** she may be

[rednordman]

There's also the fact that she is likely to be a waged employee. If she's on Facebook, then we can assume that she wasnt clocked in for work. I thought the whole capitalist's attempt to "justify" the dictatorships of employers, was that wages were bieng exchanged for freedom. So, if she's not bieng paid at that moment, then there is no exchange taking place, so they are taking her freedom without even attempting to give her wages while doing it!

This is something that really pisses me off. They'll make these rules and then they'll walk all over them. If we ever question thier rules, they stomp on us.I totally agree, but why do i get the impression that if we were to have a national referendum on this issue, about 70% would say that she deserved to get the sack and favour the boss.

Whats wrong with this nation? why is everyone a dam brown-nose?

As for the idiots on here who have sad that she 'got what she deserved'. Why is it ok for a manager to take the piss, bully, and humiliate workers, and not even get a warning? (infact they get rewarded - they call it 'making a name for themselves'), when a worker does the same: its all 'O My GOD!, How Dare They!!?' and get the sack.

[Bitter Ashes]

I totally agree, but why do i get the impression that if we were to have a national referendum on this issue, about 70% would say that she deserved to get the sack and favour the boss.

Whats wrong with this nation? why is everyone a dam brown-nose?

As for the idiots on here who have sad that she 'got what she deserved'. Why is it ok for a manager to take the piss, bully, and humiliate workers, and not even get a warning? (infact they get rewarded - they call it 'making a name for themselves'), when a worker does the same: its all 'O My GOD!, How Dare They!!?' and get the sack.
Oh I totaly agree. So many workers seem to have developed some kind of Stockholm Syndrome. If her manager calls her lazy, even if it turned out to be unjustified, then she's expected to shrug it off, do as she's told and get back to work. If she calls her boss lazy then she gets her income severed, which can mean homelessness, hunger and bieng given the choice between starvation and giving the police the excuse to beat her up, kidnap her and throw her in a cage with the intention of her bieng sexualy assaulted (because she'd need to steal to survive).

I hate how we use words like "sack", "arrest", "imprision" so casualy, without even examining what the real implications of those things are. Sacking somebody is, within the confines of capitalism, a death sentance if you have nowhere else to turn.

[NecroCommie]

And people actually dare to wonder why communists are hostile towards capitalists... :rolleyes:

[ComradeOm]

Whats wrong with this nation? why is everyone a dam brown-nose?Because people generally have to work for the living. Everyone knows the rules of the workplace - questioning them is another matter entirely - and one of the most obvious is that calling your boss a wanker while he can hear you is not conductive to further employment. That's life and, regardless of the rights or wrongs of the issue, the employee in this case did something very, very stupid


As for the idiots on here who have sad that she 'got what she deserved'. Why is it ok for a manager to take the piss, bully, and humiliate workers, and not even get a warning? (infact they get rewarded - they call it 'making a name for themselves'), when a worker does the same: its all 'O My GOD!, How Dare They!!?' and get the sack.Welcome to capitalism

[Sarah Palin]

The Young Turks coverage of this is appalling. But they're liberal, not leftist so I guess it's expected. But they completely throw the woman under the bus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEhcMBbBCz0

If you go to the actual Youtube page, the comments are disgusting. They all say "serves her right" and what not. Fucking awful. George Carlin was absolutely right in his assumption that the ruling class seeks to divide the working class. Before any revolution can happen, we have to build solidarity.

[Bitter Ashes]

I didnt know George Carlin said that. Damn. I wish he was still with us as I'm still highly entertained by his pearls of wisdom concerning religion. GEORGE COME BACK! WE NEED YOU!!!

Anyway, the media's always going to be hostile towards this girl. Remember, it's bourgeois media and at the end of the day, whatever gets broadcasted/published is going to be approved by a boss... who obviously will close ranks.

[Il Medico]

I did actualy have a similar thing happen with me too with my diary on Myspace. I hadnt invited anyone from work to view it, but my employer got hold of it all the same. Apparantly I'd put the company in a negative light for stating that I was one of thier employees whilst also bieng out about my sexuality on Myspace. It pisses me off immensly. I'm paid a wage, not a salary. When I clock out, then they should have no authority over what the hell I do because it's not in paid time. Not that I believe they should have any authority in paid time either, but if they want to play by the rulebook then they should die by the rulebook too.
Wait! Did they actually fire you for being Gay/Bi?!?!?!?!?!?!? WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!?!? They can't do that, it's discrimination!

[Bitter Ashes]

Wait! Did they actually fire you for being Gay/Bi?!?!?!?!?!?!? WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!?!? They can't do that, it's discrimination!
Sort of, but at all they have to do is say that it was one of the other "reasons" they sacked me and it'd be my word against thiers and as we know, employment tribunals always side with the employers if they can.

The law is not there to protect us.

[rednordman]

Because people generally have to work for the living. Everyone knows the rules of the workplace - questioning them is another matter entirely - and one of the most obvious is that calling your boss a wanker while he can hear you is not conductive to further employment. That's life and, regardless of the rights or wrongs of the issue, the employee in this case did something very, very stupid

Welcome to capitalismI do understand what you are saying but:
1)What is he doing reading her messages between her mates anyway (the word 'stalker' comes to my mind)
2)As a general rule, managers get paid more than normal staff. Along with comes more responsability and the realisation that people beneath you are not going to see eye to eye with you. From my experience, most of these managers just end up pileing stuff down on to the worker, so they end up doing their jobs for them and not get the pay basically. A little abuse is the last thing that they should worry about. Most managers that i have come across are useless anyway. The least they should do is earn their money (which is usually much more than what the worker is getting).

[mel]

I do understand what you are saying but:
1)What is he doing reading her messages between her mates anyway (the word 'stalker' comes to my mind)

Have you used facbeook? That shit shows up in your news feed. It was clearly a status update, which is broadcast to everyone on your friends list.


2)As a general rule, managers get paid more than normal staff. Along with comes more responsability and the realisation that people beneath you are not going to see eye to eye with you. From my experience, most of these managers just end up pileing stuff down on to the worker, so they end up doing their jobs for them and not get the pay basically. A little abuse is the last thing that they should worry about. Most managers that i have come across are useless anyway. The least they should do is earn their money (which is usually much more than what the worker is getting).

This doesn't really have any bearing on whether adding your boss as a friend on facebook and then complaining publicly about them was a smart move. I agree that doing so shouldn't be wrong, and shouldn't come with the punishment of losing your job, but the fact of the matter is that it's widely known that sort of thing does carry that penalty.

[Bitter Ashes]

I'm not the Facebook expert, but isnt it that anyone on your network can view your profile and reply to your status updates?

[mel]

I'm not the Facebook expert, but isnt it that anyone on your network can view your profile and reply to your status updates?

Depends on your privacy settings, I'm not sure what the defaults are.

Edit:

To elaborate, I don't think that the default setting is to allow everybody in your network to see your whole profile (especially since such networks routinely include an entire city or larger geographical region) but I could be wrong.

[rednordman]

Have you used facbeook? That shit shows up in your news feed. It was clearly a status update, which is broadcast to everyone on your friends list.



This doesn't really have any bearing on whether adding your boss as a friend on facebook and then complaining publicly about them was a smart move. I agree that doing so shouldn't be wrong, and shouldn't come with the punishment of losing your job, but the fact of the matter is that it's widely known that sort of thing does carry that penalty.I do agree that it was a very stupid thing to do. I just dont think she deserved to get the sack. I mean what is going to be next: when someone disses a mate on facebook, their mate prosecutes them?

Im hearing alot of people state that with these sort of thing, its always the workers fault, and such. As mentioned beforehand, it is kind of like a condition. People have been raised to hate workers so much that they will never show compassion towards them, even if they are workers themselves.

I know that sounds daft and a bit far-fetched, but this is the kind of shit that im hearing from people who I meet and know. Its like they think that the upper-middle class and rich are of better stock and have better genes. Thus they can do shit without even being questioned, as people always assume that they will be 'polite, well mannered, and honest people'. And that the higher the wage, the better the person they are, as the must have really earnt it:rolleyes:.

[mel]

I don't think she deserved to get fired for it either, I just don't want to get too far away from the reality of the situation: that a person who wants to keep their job does not complain about their boss where their boss can hear them. Workers shouldn't need protection, but they also need to protect themselves under capitalism, this worker made a mistake, it shouldn't have cost them a job, but workers can't lose sight of the fact that they shouldn't repeat this one's feat.

[ComradeOm]

I do agree that it was a very stupid thing to do. I just dont think she deserved to get the sackWas it fair? Of course not, but then no one has ever pretended that capitalism is fair. However the basic rules of employment (such as 'Don't call your boss a wanker') are well known and people tend to have little sympathy for someone who breaks them in such a stupid way. This has nothing to do with "hating workers"


I mean what is going to be next: when someone disses a mate on facebook, their mate prosecutes them?No, that's a ridiculous comparison. Unless of course your mate is in a position of power where he can end your employment. That is, your mate is your boss

[Sarah Palin]

That is, your mate is your boss

Well then they're not your mate.

[Pogue]

Facebook is simply not safe for any personal things like this. As others have said don't discuss work or anything else potentially dangerous on facebook.

[political_animal]

Am I the only one that things this has got fuck all to do with 'capitalism is evil' and more to do with some silly tosser who added her boss on facebook and then slagged him off?!!

I mean, ffs, sort your life out! :rolleyes:

[Trystan]

Fucking tory toffs.

[PRC-UTE]

The Young Turks coverage of this is appalling. But they're liberal, not leftist so I guess it's expected. But they completely throw the woman under the bus.
rEhcMBbBCz0

If you go to the actual Youtube page, the comments are disgusting. They all say "serves her right" and what not. Fucking awful. George Carlin was absolutely right in his assumption that the ruling class seeks to divide the working class. Before any revolution can happen, we have to build solidarity.

It'sa bit strange like how they're in love with the manager based on what he wrote on fb. Easily amused I guess.

[Il Medico]

Sort of, but at all they have to do is say that it was one of the other "reasons" they sacked me and it'd be my word against thiers and as we know, employment tribunals always side with the employers if they can.

The law is not there to protect us.
That really sucks. But did they actually tell you that your sexuality made the company "look" bad? That is so fucked up.

[Sarah Palin]

It'sa bit strange like how they're in love with the manager based on what he wrote on fb. Easily amused I guess.
They also act as if they've never encountered someone from Britain also. Pervy wankers with their shit radio show.

[Die Rote Fahne]

If I were ever fired due to my personal life I would bring the company/my employer to court. Even if I thought I had no chance I'd do i to make a point.