Bikie laws in Australia

[danny bohy]

"Every week it seems as if a new law in NSW is passed which rolls back civil liberties. This time it is “anti-bikie” gang laws which, despite assurances, can be used against any sort of organisation, including activist or pressure groups. Other states have said they may copy the laws.


Organisations may be banned and control orders issued against the members. It will be an offence “to associate” with other members on the police list. That list can be hundreds or thousands of names long. " -greenleft.org.au
I just wanted to get some intelligent opinions on this matter- do you thinks its reasonable or descriminatory and depreives us of rights?

[AntifaAustralia]

looks like anti-democratic bullshit. we have laws in place to keep people safe already, Now we intend to give the capitalist police force new powers to restrict the civilian population from organisation.

I must admit bikies scare me, but not to the extent that i need a police force to protect my ass.

Imagine this law getting out of hand?!

worse case scenario: Imagine A Fascist government in power after the laws being implemented. hitler style anti-communist executions everywhere

[bromide]

First a heavily censored internet that you can't opt out of, now this. Australia is headed in a really bad direction in terms of civil liberties. To answer your question, I think that the broadness of it, the fact that it can be applied to just about anyone organizing, is cause for deep concern.

[LeninKobaMao]

Fuck that bikies are dickheads but shouldn't be under constant surveillance.

[An archist]

What are bikies exactly?

[Kamerat]

Could be motorcycle gangs. Like Hells Angels, am i right?

[Bilan]

Yes, they're Motorcycle gangs. "Bikies" is slang for Motorcycle gang.

[Bilan]

First a heavily censored internet that you can't opt out of, now this. Australia is headed in a really bad direction in terms of civil liberties. To answer your question, I think that the broadness of it, the fact that it can be applied to just about anyone organizing, is cause for deep concern.

"Heading"?

[Kamerat]

Well then i think its a reasonable law, because "bikies" aka motorcycle gangs are just facists on bikes. Over here the motorcycle gangs are at war with each other and torch/blow up each others clubhouses and stuff. As well as doing other stuff of crime, like chrushing your kneecaps if you dont pay your debt to the bourgiose. In Danmark the motorcycle gangs have declared an all out war agains the minority gangs.

[Bilan]

Well, here at least, they just kill each other.

[RedRise]

What about all the stuff on tv about bikies doing good stuff? like there was this documentary about a group of christian bikies and the leader ran a shelter or something. on the news once they were saying that some guy tried to hold up the cashier at a pub and a bunch of bikies ran in and scared him off. i think the whole bikies thing has been over publicized or something.:confused:
i still think it's stupid to ban bikie gangs. i mean, the bikies only made the gangs to go against society, so banning them is just what they want. :rolleyes:

[Black Dagger]

^--- i guess you have to distinguish between 'bikies' (people in motorcycle 'gangs') and criminal motorcycle gangs - the latter being an example of organised crime (mainly drugs, but also armed robbery and assasination). So whilst there are groups like 'Christian Bikies Australia' or whatever, at least rhetorically, the cops are targetting the so-called 'violent' and 'criminal' elements.

The problem of course is how these judgements are made, in australia historically the police have used the same rhetoric when attacking the revolutionary left so as revolutionaries we should be concerned. Groups like Mutiny for example have already been profiled by the NSW, federal and counter-terrorism police in the past, and some members (amongst other individuals) were placed on exclusion lists (on the basis that they were assumed to be 'violent', 'criminal' protestors) - so the GLW is right - we should be concerned about these laws, because we are enemies of the state - today it's bikies but one day we may be their 'violent gang'.

[RedRise]

we should be concerned about these laws, because we are enemies of the state - today it's bikies but one day we may be their 'violent gang'.

Gosh, now I'm worried.:( I can't remember where, but I read something about cops beating up peaceful protesters (a bunch of hippies I think) and first I thought our cops are pretty cowardly to be afraid of a peaceful protest.:rolleyes: But put like that Black Dagger, it is actually kinda worrying. Really, it's just another way of denying our freedom of opinion and speech.:confused: Is this their new tactic?:blink:

[Salabra]

Yes, they're Motorcycle gangs. "Bikies" is slang for Motorcycle gang.

The US version is "bikers." This is becoming commoner here too, but we still tend to use our own form.

FYI