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Howard509
4th August 2009, 07:40
I do not believe there is a substantial enough difference between Republicans and Democrats to choose between them, and our electoral system has pretty much made third parties irrelevant. Further, a person who upholds self-ownership and individual sovereignty would not choose his master at the ballot box.

However, I believe that voting on ballot propositions, the closest we have to direct democracy, is sometimes important and justified. This November, Spokane voters will be considering a Community Bill of Rights. I haven't decided yet how I will vote, or if I'll even vote at all, but it's at least worth following and learning more about:



Spokane Voters May Decide “Community Bill of Rights”
Posted: Monday, July 6, 2009
Spokane may be the first Northwest city to vote on a so-called “Community Bill of Rights.” The document aims to give more power to neighborhood groups and labor unions. Voters in about a hundred cities and towns in the east have adopted similar measures. Inland Northwest Correspondent Doug Nadvornick reports the sponsors in Spokane submitted their signatures today.

Just as the Bill of Rights is a set of amendments to the U.S. Constitution, Spokane’s “Community Bill of Rights” is a set of amendments to the city charter.

Among other things, the measure would require private developers to pay workers prevailing wage rates on certain construction projects. It would mandate that the city of Spokane create preventive health care programs for people who don’t have insurance.

Kai Huschke from the group Envision Spokane says it would also give neighborhood councils the authority to reject unwanted developments.

Huschke: “This really stems from a lot of the neighborhoods seeing development take place where they live and realizing that the neighborhood has been powerless to stop that. And this is about creating some equity there.”

Spokane’s ballot measure is patterned after those adopted in dozens of eastern cities. For example, two towns in southern Maine towns prohibited the Swiss company Nestle from bottling millions of gallons of their local spring water.
nwpr.org/07/HomepageArticles/Article.aspx?n=5773[/url]


All I really know so far is that Ron Paul Republicans are against it, accusing the Community Bill of Rights of being communistic.

Envision Spokane: Coalition Works to Get “Community Bill of Rights” into City Charter
i2.democracynow.org/2009/4/21/envision_spokane_coalition_works_to_get

Howard509
4th August 2009, 18:49
I believe the Democracy Now report on this is worth watching. A similar community bill of rights may come to your town.

SocialismOrBarbarism
4th August 2009, 19:06
Why wouldn't you vote for it?

Howard509
4th August 2009, 19:16
Why wouldn't you vote for it?

As an anarchist, I'm skeptical of concentration of state power and using state power to solve problems. As an anti-capitalist, however, I favor, whenever possible, manipulating government to protect people from the capitalist class.

Howard509
4th August 2009, 20:22
This is the text of the ballot initiative:
cforjustice.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/es-bill-of-rights.pdf

Does this look realistic and helpful?

ls
4th August 2009, 22:05
that the city of Spokane create preventive health care programs for people who don’t have insurance.

Are they saying they want to further limit people from receiving healthcare?

Howard509
4th August 2009, 22:53
Are they saying they want to further limit people from receiving healthcare?

I don't believe so. Where did you get this idea?

ls
4th August 2009, 23:10
I don't believe so. Where did you get this idea?

Then can you explain to me what they mean, by the bit of the text I quoted in my previous post?

Misanthrope
4th August 2009, 23:12
I favor, whenever possible, manipulating government to protect people from the capitalist class.

I do too but it is never possible. The state will always protect the capitalist class, that is why it's there.

Howard509
4th August 2009, 23:28
Then can you explain to me what they mean, by the bit of the text I quoted in my previous post?

Are you familiar with preventive healthcare?

ls
4th August 2009, 23:47
Are you familiar with preventive healthcare?

Not extremely, but I looked it up and realised what they meant.

You could have clarified for me in the beginning.

Howard509
5th August 2009, 02:08
Is there anyone on this forum who wouldn't want a similar bill of rights passed in their town? If not, why not?

Howard509
5th August 2009, 02:08
You could have clarified for me in the beginning.

I didn't understand what you were asking.

FreeFocus
5th August 2009, 03:45
Why would anyone not support this? This puts power in the hands of communities:


The document aims to give more power to neighborhood groups and labor unions.
....
Kai Huschke from the group Envision Spokane says it would also give neighborhood councils the authority to reject unwanted developments.

Howard509
5th August 2009, 06:23
I feel good about it.

Communist Theory
5th August 2009, 06:24
I've been to Spokane before.
It sucks.

ls
5th August 2009, 08:58
It seems good enough, also from my limited knowledge of WA, isn't Spokane quite a conservative town? Most of the eastside of WA is meant to be quite conservative.

I'm surprised most towns in Seattle, being the hotbed of anarchist activity they are - haven't got one yet.

Demogorgon
5th August 2009, 10:07
It is a classic case of not being enough, but better than nothing and so you should vote for it. What are its chances of being passed incidentally?

Howard509
5th August 2009, 20:47
I think it will be on the ballot. The chances of passing might be 50/50.

ChrisK
6th August 2009, 19:28
It seems good enough, also from my limited knowledge of WA, isn't Spokane quite a conservative town? Most of the eastside of WA is meant to be quite conservative.

I'm surprised most towns in Seattle, being the hotbed of anarchist activity they are - haven't got one yet.

Suprisingly, not so much anymore. It used to be, but there isn't (at least in the area I live) an extreme conservatism.

Howard509
9th August 2009, 09:29
Is it possible that, having a former community organizer in the white house, there will be more initiatives like this all over the country?

chimx
9th August 2009, 10:06
Prevailing wage already has to be paid on any state funded construction thanks to the Davis Bacon Act. I'm guessing then that this will extend this to non-state jobs? If so that's great. It will greatly empower union workers who establish what prevailing wage is.