Can racism be helped?

[seventhparadise]

Exactly as it says on the tin.

[Pol Pot]

Racism isnt a disease, state of mind or anything like that. Its a conviction that races have undesireable differences combined with emotional appeal to them.

Modern sociological studies show that racism, xenophobia and other prejudices (like homophobia etc.) are not results of abnomralities but rather a natural albeit primitive reaction towards new, mis-understood, or opposed by concept to them.

Racism can be prevented by educating people that they should not be afraid of other races and if they see an instance of some experience that can fuel racism, racial stereotyping or create prejudice against some racial or ethnical group, to just look at wider picture, think those situations threw and not drown into animalistic intstinct of being treathened by alien/hostile presence thus fueling hate.

[griffjam]

why would you want to help racism? personally i do everything possible to eliminate it and it's causes.

[RainbowLeftist]

I don't know if people are being honest on racism in the world.

I'd much rather live in a White neighborhood, than one full of colored folk. Gives me people I can relate to.

[SubcomandanteJames]

I don't know if people are being honest on racism in the world.

I'd much rather live in a White neighborhood, than one full of colored folk. Gives me people I can relate to.

You'll find that alot of the reasons you relate better to "whites" than "colored folk" is because of the effects of capitalism and the class system on minorities in general. Race doesn't beget crime, but being poor can. Frankly, I can relate to any human in some manner, and I think the more we step out of our circle of comfort and cross lines to greet others halfway, the better.

Is there anything we can do to help stop racism?

Abolish capitalism.

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I'd much rather live in a White neighborhood, than one full of colored folk. Gives me people I can relate to.

To be frank, this is pretty bizarre. What is it about a "White neighborhood" that you feel is superior to a neighborhood (do neighborhoods even exist anymore?) of ethnic diversity?
I don't get this position at all.

[hugsandmarxism]

I don't know if people are being honest on racism in the world.

I'd much rather live in a White neighborhood, than one full of colored folk. Gives me people I can relate to.

http://www.rogersrants.com/uploads/RonaldReagan.jpg

"I agree with this statement. Screw living with coloreds when you can have nice white, christian, upper-class kinship!"

[Ovi]

I don't know if people are being honest on racism in the world.

I'd much rather live in a White neighborhood, than one full of colored folk. Gives me people I can relate to.
As long as I'm not treated differently because of my skin color, what is the fucking problem?
By the way you misspelled your username; it's RainbowFascist

[RainbowLeftist]

You're racist.

I'd say im not.


What does Reagan have to do with any of this?

[Black Dagger]

I'd say im not.


Well you're walking a fine line.

For starters, what is this sentence supposed to mean?


I don't know if people are being honest on racism in the world.

Second, you didn't explain why you would want to live in a 'white neighborhood' instead of one 'full of colored folk'. Saying 'i can't relate to colored folk' needs elaboration.

Either way, your statement implies that you have some quite specific ideas about white folks and coloured folks, that each group has specific traits/interests/habits etc. that you like/dislike, i.e. such that you can or cannot relate.

Either way it sounds like you essentialise, and thus judge people based on the colour of their skin.

[hugsandmarxism]

I'd say im not.

I'd say you are.


What does Reagan have to do with any of this?

Your comment smacks of the same ugly conservative attitude of "not in my back yard" that kept Jim Crow alive, that had parents pulling their children from schools when the desegregation and integration of public schools threatened to put their kids in classrooms with black people. It's the same veiled, ugly disdain (albiet in a lower dose) that fractures the working class into same-color tribes to keep everyone dancing to the bourgeois' fiddle. Your liberal and right-wing friends maybe fine with it, but it's an attitude that won't cut it in revolutionary leftist circles.

So, Raegan.

http://www.thehypertexts.com/Mysterious_Ways/Images/Ronald_Wilson_Reagan_Cowboy_Poet.gif

"Cause who wants colored folks hanging around our country-clubs anyway?"

[RainbowLeftist]

Well you're walking a fine line.

For starters, what is this sentence supposed to mean?



Second, you didn't explain why you would want to live in a 'white neighborhood' instead of one 'full of colored folk'. Saying 'i can't relate to colored folk' needs elaboration.

Either way, your statement implies that you have some quite specific ideas about white folks and coloured folks, that each group has specific traits/interests/habits etc. that you like/dislike, i.e. such that you can or cannot relate.

Either way it sounds like you essentialise, and thus judge people based on the colour of their skin.

It means I don't want to live around Colored folks. Plain and simple. I've had to twice in my life, and it's always been worse than living in a Majority (99%) White neighborhood.

Either way, I don't think it would be easy to "help" people stop being Racist. Making them live around people of other races sure as hell doesn't work.

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It means I don't want to live around Colored folks. Plain and simple. I've had to twice in my life, and it's always been worse than living in a Majority (99%) White neighborhood.

Either way, I don't think it would be easy to "help" people stop being Racist. Making them live around people of other races sure as hell doesn't work.

On the second point, I suppose you're demonstrative of the case you're making; some people are piss ignorant and they're not going to change their minds. Quite clearly, you are a racist.

[Invariance]

It means I don't want to live around Colored folks. Plain and simple. I've had to twice in my life, and it's always been worse than living in a Majority (99%) White neighborhood. So, wow, you've lived a grand-total of two times 'around colored folks', and therefore that's conclusive proof that they're people 'you can't relate to.'

Do you think that's really a fair approach - i.e. basing your complete (bigoted) views of colored folks on several experiences?

[hugsandmarxism]

It means I don't want to live around Colored folks. Plain and simple. I've had to twice in my life, and it's always been worse than living in a Majority (99%) White neighborhood.

What are you trying to say here? How is it "worse" to be around "Colored" people than it is to be around "White" people? Are you asserting that you aren't comfortable in a neighborhood that isn't 99% homogenius in terms of race (this has racial purity nonsense written all fucking over it!)?


Either way, I don't think it would be easy to "help" people stop being Racist. Making them live around people of other races sure as hell doesn't work.

Racism is a social phenomenon perpetuated by capitalism. The first slave codes in the USA, which helped build racial divisions here, were put in place as a means to counter uprisings in which working class whites and slaves were banding together against their mutual oppressors, the southern bourgeois.

But, as has been said, some will always be stubborn in their ignorance. So, gtfo, and enjoy your restriction/ban, reactionary bonehead.

[communard resolution]

I'd say you are.



Your comment smacks of the same ugly conservative attitude of "not in my back yard" that kept Jim Crow alive, that had parents pulling their children from schools when the desegregation and integration of public schools threatened to put their kids in classrooms with black people. It's the same veiled, ugly disdain (albiet in a lower dose) that fractures the working class into same-color tribes to keep everyone dancing to the bourgeois' fiddle. Your liberal and right-wing friends maybe fine with it, but it's an attitude that won't cut it in revolutionary leftist circles.

So, Raegan.

http://www.thehypertexts.com/Mysterious_Ways/Images/Ronald_Wilson_Reagan_Cowboy_Poet.gif

"Cause who wants colored folks hanging around our country-clubs anyway?"


For the time, Reagan was unusual in his opposition to racial discrimination, and recalled a time in Dixon when the local inn would not allow black people to stay there. Reagan brought them back to his house, where his mother invited them to stay the night and have breakfast the next morning

This was the 1920s. Not saying this anecdote must be true, but are right-wingers necessarily racists?

PS - Rainbow Leftist is quite clearly a racist.

[hugsandmarxism]

This was the 1920s. Not saying this anecdote must be true, but are right-wingers necessarily racists?

PS - Rainbow Leftist is quite clearly a racist.

There is a certain veiled racism that can be gleaned from policies under the Reagan era, as well as with other conservative leaders (Nixon comes to mind... you might want to pick up Christian Parenti's Lockdown America for a synopsis on that) and there are plenty of warm and fuzzy anecdotes used to make racist pricks seem progressive (true and false alike) but if it would make you more comfortable, I could go with a more openly racist figure.

[communard resolution]

There is a certain veiled racism that can be gleaned from policies under the Reagan era, as well as with other conservative leaders (Nixon comes to mind... you might want to pick up Christian Parenti's Lockdown America for a synopsis on that) and there are plenty of warm and fuzzy anecdotes used to make racist pricks seem progressive (true and false alike) but if it would make you more comfortable, I could go with a more openly racist figure.


You must be the fifth person I hear mention that book, so I should finally get around to read it - I'm intrigued.

As for right-wingers - I honestly don't believe they are all racist pricks. Right-wingers are prone to deny (or not see) structural racism because they have an individualistic world view. But a lot of them look at racism as some sort of psychological disorder. Their analysis of racism might not be that hot - but that doesn't necessarily mean they're racists.

[RainbowLeftist]

What are you trying to say here? How is it "worse" to be around "Colored" people than it is to be around "White" people? Are you asserting that you aren't comfortable in a neighborhood that isn't 99% homogenius in terms of race (this has racial purity nonsense written all fucking over it!)?



Racism is a social phenomenon perpetuated by capitalism. The first slave codes in the USA, which helped build racial divisions here, were put in place as a means to counter uprisings in which working class whites and slaves were banding together against their mutual oppressors, the southern bourgeois.

But, as has been said, some will always be stubborn in their ignorance. So, gtfo, and enjoy your restriction/ban, reactionary bonehead.

Not a bonehead. Not a National Socialist either.

Meh. I guess I may be racist, but im sure as hell not a Nazi.

[hugsandmarxism]

You must be the fifth person who I hear mention that book, so I should finally get around to read it - I'm intrigued.

You won't regret it :)


As for right-wingers - I honestly don't believe they are all racist pricks. Right-wingers are prone to deny (or not see) structural racism because they hold individualistic beliefs. But a lot of them look at racism as some sort of psychological disorder. Their analysis of racism might not be that hot - but it doesn't make them racists.

Yeah, I agree with you here (though I don't think I said I believe all right wingers are racists). I think arguments can be made for racial undertones existing in conservative policies over the years though.

[communard resolution]

Meh. I guess I may be racist

Aren't you a little bit ashamed of yourself?

[RainbowLeftist]

Aren't you a little bit ashamed of yourself?


Not really sure why I should be.

Just how it is..

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This was the 1920s. Not saying this anecdote must be true, but are right-wingers necessarily racists?


Not to derail the thread, but Reagan was actually a liberal back then, if I have my facts straight.

[communard resolution]

Not really sure why I should be.


Because you're judging people for something that is none of their own doing, that's why. Isn't that something to be ashamed of?

[Mujer Libre]

Rainbow Leftist has been banned- so actual discussion can go ahead.

[seventhparadise]

The original question was: Can racism be helped? Just answer the question please, and stop ranting and raving about other topics.

[Abdul Alhazred]

You'll find that alot of the reasons you relate better to "whites" than "colored folk" is because of the effects of capitalism and the class system on minorities in general. Race doesn't beget crime, but being poor can. Frankly, I can relate to any human in some manner, and I think the more we step out of our circle of comfort and cross lines to greet others halfway, the better.

Is there anything we can do to help stop racism?

Abolish capitalism.
It was capitalists that freed blacks from slavery because of the explosive demand for cheap labor in the new industrial north. The governments of southern states where overwhelmingly social democrats who supported the older, agrarian order encompassing slavery.

"The divisions became fully exposed with the1860 general election.... the electorate split four ways. The Southern Democrats endorsed slavery, while the Republicans denounced it." - wiki

It was certainly capitalists who created the concept of black rights, in order to integrate them into the general workforce and establish a larger, stable consumer base.

(It's a matter of historical irony for the left that Nazism = Nationalsozialismus = National Socialism)