US secession movements

[Kukulofori]

I read a poll about a year ago saying that 15% of Vermontans were in favour of secession, has it caught on in any serious context there or anywhere else?

[New Tet]

In Texas there seems to be a number of people calling for secession, especially after Obama was elected president. few people seem to take them seriously.

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

There aren't really any "serious" movements for secession. A while ago I think the governor of Texas, a Republican, said something about secession and people got all in a fuss about it but it's not like a serious movement. On the right, there is the libertarian crazies in the militia scene, like the Montana "free men".

Some Chicano secession groups get some attention (See this thread: http://www.revleft.com/vb/fuck-border-support-t107884/index.html?t=107884&highlight=support+mexican+national+liberation (http://www.revleft.com/vb/../fuck-border-support-t107884/index.html?t=107884&highlight=support+mexican+national+liberation) ), but they're not popular either (although neo-Nazis like to pretend they are so they can imagine Mexicans have a conspiracy to "take over") There's also American Indian groups that promote secession, like the Republic of Lakotah, but they're not popular or even well known. The average person probably hasn't even heard of most of these "movements."

If "The South will rise again" bumper stickers count as a movement, that's about as far as any U.S. secession movements really go.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Lakotah)

[Cooler Reds Will Prevail]

I don't know about Vermont, but this is how we do it in the Bay!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_h4oBdQjSejo/RgBbGxjP_DI/AAAAAAAAAGU/lCQaEoCpT5g/s400/PRB.bmp

:thumbup1:

In all seriousness, I don't know about Vermont but isn't there a decent sized secessionist movement in Texas? I also know a few people in California that want secession from the US. I'm on the fence as to whether we should support state secessionist movements, but in a certain sense I wouldn't be upset if California said peace out to the rest of the country. Might make revolutionary work easier actually.

[New Tet]

I don't know about Vermont, but this is how we do it in the Bay!

In all seriousness, I don't know about Vermont but isn't there a decent sized secessionist movement in Texas? I also know a few people in California that want secession from the US. I'm on the fence as to whether we should support state secessionist movements, but in a certain sense I wouldn't be upset if California said peace out to the rest of the country. Might make revolutionary work easier actually.

It's hard for me to picture a genuine socialist who supports division and separation where none is required.

[Kukulofori]

Easier to overthrow a government nearby than one thousands of miles away.

There's also the fact that the US is not currently in a revolutionary situation, and the political framework of the federal government is not offering any good options to workers.

There's also the angle that it weakens the most powerful empire in all of history.

[Sarah Palin]

I've become increasingly ticked off with everything American in the past year, so I'm all for New Jersey's secession, but I'd rather live in an independent Vermont. They get Al Jazeera.

[makesi]

In Texas there is the "Republic of Texas" movement. Speaking anecdotally and from personal experience being a resident of the Lone Star State, the idea of Texas secession sounds appealing to some of the philistines down here but, in my opinion, is not likely to be a topic of serious discussion amongst the Texas bourgeoisie. (I've done side work for scratch as a valet parking their cars and, to be honest, when I'm looking at them with hatred and contempt, I find it hard to imagine they discuss anything much at all of serious political import, save for those topics that touch upon their investment portfolios and shit.)

I don't think any of the secession movements are serious or worth paying much attention to as serious political phenomena, at least. Rick Perry's statement about Texas seceding from the union was, in my opinion, bluster that he may have thought would have gained him some popularity points.

Texas is a military state, with one of the most important military cities in the United States, viz. San Antonio

An actual Texas secession would, yes, weaken the empire and for that very reason has a miniscule, if any, chance of occurring. The military personnel in the state, who come from regions across the United States, would hardly be likely to support it, the border (i.e. the border with Mexico) regions, known here colloquially as the "valley", would hardly benefit from it, and the bigger cities, with Houston actually being somewhat of a genuine metropolis, would hardly benefit from it either.

[GPDP]

I live in the Rio Grande Valley of Texas, and I hardly ever hear any such sentiments.

I'm not 100 percent sure on this, but I'd imagine much of this secessionist crap comes from East and North Texas - you know, "white trash" central.

[FreeFocus]

There are no serious secession movements, for better or for worse.

[Communist]

I support self-determination, such as the Republic of Lakotah.

But there isn't any state secession movement (Texas, Vermont, etc) that will get anywhere.