What are the difference?

[HeartlessLibertarian]

I see many people hear. Some are communist/marxist/lennist, etc. To be brief, what are yalls definition of each and how do they differ.

[New Tet]

That's a big question. I think we should first identify and define[] what it is we all seek to accomplish.

The first question I asked was "What Is Socialism? (http://www.slp.org/what_is.htm)"

[Kukulofori]

Marxist is basically "capitalism is bad, therefore we need a revolution to establish a transitory phase into a classless, stateless society."

Leninist builds on this with a greater emphasis on capitalism as imperialism and adds the concept of a vanguard party, which is a kind of revolutionary class that does most of the political work. He also opened the USSR open to capitalism to a limited extent to accumulate capital to be used later on in a transition to real socialism.

Trotsky and Stalin build on these with a couple of differing ideas, like the issue of Stalin's concept of communism in one country vs Trotsky's preference for internationalism.

Mao builds on Lenin and adds to our class issue by saying that the first world middle class isn't going to revolt because it's being paid off. (Lenin did this first, but Maoists tend to take it more seriously.) There's also the concept of a peoples' war (where everyone should be taught to fight and revolt, even after the revolution, and not just a revolutionary soldier class as in the vanguard) Mao did use a modified version of the communist party, though.

Socialism is an umbrella term for everyone left of social democracy. Communism is what comes after the Marxist transitional period (called socialism) where there's a complete classless, stateless society.

Anarchy has almost as much emphasis on the abolition of the state (in all its forms, socialist or otherwise) and other hierarchal institutions (like the schooling system) as it does on the abolition of property. It isn't a branch of Marxism, although the two have much in common.

I really didn't do justice to the huge differences here between every ideology, in part because I don't fully comprehend them myself and in part because of the massive amount of time involved. There's a who's who guide in the stickies. I realise that it's a lot to read, but that's because there's a lot to learn. It's probably best to just read as certain parts of it pique your interest rather than try to digest it all at once.

[Ovi]

Anarchy has almost as much emphasis on the abolition of the state (in all its forms, socialist or otherwise) and other hierarchal institutions (like the schooling system) as it does on the abolition of property.

I am not against the schooling system, but against the traditional schooling system! There, I've said it.

Leninism means to believe that the battle against the bourgeois can be won by defeating the bourgeois state and ... installing another state, but this time "for the people".

Communism is the free (anarchist) stateless moneyless society. For some reason many stalinists call themselves communists but we all know it's a bad joke...

[Bright Banana Beard]

Leninism means to believe that the battle against the bourgeois can be won by defeating the bourgeois state and ... installing another state, but this time "for the people". It is not about installing another state, but to transform the society into socialism since communism and socialism both need proletarian class to happen. I'm a Stalinist (if it ever exists but they do not except for trotskyists and anarchists) and I used to be anarcho-communist, so it's a good joke. :lol:

[LOLseph Stalin]

Leninism means to believe that the battle against the bourgeois can be won by defeating the bourgeois state and ... installing another state, but this time "for the people".

It's not about defending the bourgeois state, but destroying it and replacing it with a worker's state(Dictatorship of the proletariat). It's the working class ensuring counter-revolutionaries don't create an uprising. With mass worker's control of all major industries counter-revolutionaries won't be able to regain power.

[Ovi]

It's not about defending the bourgeois state, but destroying it and replacing it with a worker's state(Dictatorship of the proletariat). It's the working class ensuring counter-revolutionaries don't create an uprising. With mass worker's control of all major industries counter-revolutionaries won't be able to regain power.
My words exactly

[LOLseph Stalin]

My words exactly

Well you said "for the people" in quotations so I just assumed that you meant Leninism was some kind of counter-revolutionary theory.

[Kukulofori]

Got corrected, both Stalin and Trotsky supported international revolution. The disagreement I'm referring to is whether a socialist Russia could survive without international revolution. Stalin maintained that it could, Trotsky that it couldn't.

So don't go around spreading what I said there because it's inaccurate. ^^

[BabylonHoruv]

Got corrected, both Stalin and Trotsky supported international revolution. The disagreement I'm referring to is whether a socialist Russia could survive without international revolution. Stalin maintained that it could, Trotsky that it couldn't.

So don't go around spreading what I said there because it's inaccurate. ^^

Trotsky may have been right. Either that or Stalin was hellbent on proving himself wrong.

[Kukulofori]

The USSR's failings were not a result of not being able to function without the west, indeed the industrialisation of the USSR is one of the most significant achievements of any regime ever. The failures were due to bureaucracy.