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Jimmie Higgins
28th July 2009, 19:37
Edit: this post is actually just a rant posing as a call for action... i'm just pissed that liberals are going to fuck up a left-ward moving upsurge of political anger (protests against prop 8) once again!

The mainstream liberal LGBT groups in california have decided to not try and repeal prop 8 in 2010, but push it back to 2012 (so they can do more fundraising according to them). They are now sending out their minions to convince people this is the correct strategy because Californians are too conservative for gay marriage - what bullshit. This is a serious misreading (possibly willfull misreading) of the mood among young gat rights activists. If these liberal groups get away with their deley, then they will suck the optomism and momentum right out of of it.

On a tactical level, legalizing pot will be on the 2010 ballot (how sad is it that pot will be legal before two people of the same sex can marry?) and so there will be a huge turnout of young voters in 2010 who will no doubt be more pro-marriage equality. Also, in 2012, Obama will be up for reelection and so liberals will be too busy spending money his reelection to support a gay marriage ballot mesure - not to mention they will probably try and convince us that "now is not the right time for this" you might hurt Obama's chances of being re-elected. Liberals disgustingly blamed gay marriage ballot initiatives for John Kerry's defeat:rolleyes:.

So please help me send letters to Marrige Equality and similar groups and if you live in California and you see their money collectors on street corners, shame them! I am normally against making a-political arguments with people, but I think now is an exception and we should shame these liberal groups and throw some Martin Luther King (patron saint of Liberals everywhere... yet they seem to ignore the content of what he says) quotes at them...

To paraphrase MLK: Liberals always tell you to wait, always tell you that now is not the right time to seek justice... but justice deferred is justice denied.

or the real thing:

We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed. Frankly, I have yet to engage in a direct-action campaign that was "well timed" in the view of those who have not suffered unduly from the disease of segregation. For years now I have heard the word "Wait!" It rings in the ear of every Negro with piercing familiarity. This "Wait" has almost always meant 'Never." We must come to see, with one of our distinguished jurists, that "justice too long delayed is justice denied."


Change does not roll in on the wheels of inevitability, but comes through continuous struggle. And so we must straighten our backs and work for our freedom. A man can't ride you unless your back is bent.

Trystan
28th July 2009, 19:45
Am I the only one who thinks that marriage should be just got rid of all together - i.e. by the state no longer getting involved with it? I mean is there any reason at all to keep it going?

Jimmie Higgins
28th July 2009, 20:39
Am I the only one who thinks that marriage should be just got rid of all together - i.e. by the state no longer getting involved with it? I mean is there any reason at all to keep it going?Sure, and I think after the revolution that's probably how workers will see it. But never the less, in the reality we all exist in at this moment, this is a demand for equal rights, not some trick by the ruling class to make LGBT people conform or whatever.

Marriage equality would actually be a big strike against the right-wing ideology around the nuclear family. This ideology hurts women who are expected to work (at less pay then men) and still do housework and be a perfect mom. This ideology blames poverty and social problems on "Unwed mothers" and single-parent households. This ideology gives tax breaks and rights and special consideration to 2 parent households and so LGBT marriage will help the entire working class by helping to break this idea that the hetersexual nuclear family is the ideal of social organization in society.

Destroying the ideological arguments about the family means that we can make ground on abortion, on universal healtcare rather than family palns through jobs.

So there's that level and there's also the level of in the US, LGBT people are fighting for equal rights and to be treated like anyone else. This is huge and should be fully supported and guided into more radical directions if we want this movement to actually win and become a real movement.