Good Charlotte - Are they really sell outs?

[Beautiful Day]

The band Good Charlotte has been lynched as sell outs but they seem very politically active. I recently read they raised almost 40,000 dollars for the homeless in Washington D.C by doing two benefit shows and in the new video the lead singer is wearing a women rights t-shirt. They also have been very active through the group PETA and have been part of several benefit compilations.

I know many of you are fans of Rage Against The Machine so do you believe it’s justified for a band like Good Charlotte to sign a major record deal and possibly use the fame to help promote radical ideas?

I know Good Charlotte isn’t a political punk band but they are very active and a fan might notice the activity and possibly be turned on to these ideas.

(Edited by Beautiful Day at 5:17 pm on July 21, 2003)

[Rastafari]

In my opinion, Good Charlotte lacks talent and any message. But then again, I think RATM is just OK. Perhaps its because I-man knows his music

[EL OBiSPO]

I wouldn't really call that active. Every 'punk' (I use that term loosely when talking about good charlotte) band seem to be 'active' now. They're all for women's rights. Maybe its the fashion ;)

[bluerev002]

FUCK NO THEY ARE NOT ACTIVE!
They are just following the trend, they see that the youth nowadays is being more radical and such.
I read an article in the Rollingstones titled :
Good Charlotte, the Good Punks, and it talked about how they were all so nice in school and never caused any trouble or anything like like that.

Good Charlotte is like the N'Sync of "Punk" (pussy punk I should say). The fucking guy pays a hair stylist everyday to spike his hair up! Imagine all that hair spray?!!

BAKA GoodCharlotte is just taking the trend and in their video they are *****ing and moning about the Rich and famous while they sing in tuxes! Why dont they stop *****ing about the rich and famous and DO SOMETHING!

Fuck GoodCharlotte I hate them more tahn any other Pussy PUnk band out there!

[Ironfist]

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/boycott_badreligion/

/me dies of laughter

[Rastafari]

ahhhhhhhhahahaha
good one, ironfist

[CopperGoat]

Hey Bad Religion isin't bad....

They are way better than Good Charlotte

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I don't even like punk rock.
I don't understand it when all these punks say that they hate pop music, instead they listen to punk. This really escapes me since punk is just like alot of pop, except it's a bit heavier and more instrumental. The rythm is similar, the lyrics are vulgar as they are in pop, and the melody is some sappy and simplistic crap, just like in pop.

yay for classic rock!

[bluerev002]

NO NO NO NO NO...looky here Victorcommie.

GoodCharlotte, New Found Glory, Avril Lavigne.

THAT is NOT punk. That is POP laveled by the media as PUNK (pop-punk [my opinion pussy punk]).

Real Punk sounds NOTHING like those bands.
That is pop in its new form, with dickies, spiky hair, and a shitload of little spiky bracelets. Its stupid, dont get confused. ;)

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Quote: from bluerev002 on 10:24 pm on July 21, 2003
NO NO NO NO NO...looky here Victorcommie.

GoodCharlotte, New Found Glory, Avril Lavigne.

THAT is NOT punk. That is POP laveled by the media as PUNK (pop-punk [my opinion pussy punk]).

Real Punk sounds NOTHING like those bands.
That is pop in its new form, with dickies, spiky hair, and a shitload of little spiky bracelets. Its stupid, dont get confused. ;)

so....what is real punk??

[bluerev002]

Quote: from Ironfist on 11:58 pm on July 21, 2003
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/boycott_badreligion/

/me dies of laughter


ROTFLMFAO!! Ah those guys are dumb!
I mean who would spend money printing out papers...and then BURN THEM?! :confused:

Aww they find it offensive :( tear...

BAH! I should send them my profile saying how much I hate GoodCharlotte!

[truthaddict11]

my cousin went to a warped tour and saw Sum 41 there and said " Are you guys Sum 41?"
they said "Yeah"
then she said "That sucks"

[MiNdGaMe]

Pop punk is nothing more then youth looking for a way to rebel, using a look, that is alternative. I know this because I KNOW PEOPLE LIKE THIS.

Pop-punks have no knowledge of punks origin and the definition of punk. They also like to ridicule genuine punks who listen to respectful bands.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

The best music stays metal.

[mentalbunny]

The thing about Good Charlotte is that they haven't changed much since they started out, the sound is a little more finished but that's about it, they aren't aiming to be punk heavyweights, but I don't think they are particularly trying to sell out and become a "look". They do know their punk, unlike Avril, but they just aren't punk punk, so what?

You know the lead singer from Busted is an avid deftones fan? He does in fact knwo his shit (ok, so Deftones are hardly the most obscure, unpublicised band but it's still real music), but he views Busted's taks as providing a stepping stone to the kids out there so they can get into real music, which is a rpetty decent thing to do since all his fave bands and stuff will be slating Busted for their mainstream friendly style.

I don't mind Good Charlotte, it does irritate me that the people who buy the CD's in general are not interested in what I consider real punk, and the attitude that goes with it (prime example being the conservative rich girl who I shared a dorm with last term, she loves 'em but doesn't buy into their more political side, weak as it is). They're ok, I don't mind them, at least they got themselves together and totally write thier own stuff, rather than Avril, princess of prepachaged rebellion.

EDIT: I made a typo which basically changed the meaning of what i said, please look for the word in bold.

(Edited by mentalbunny at 1:13 pm on July 23, 2003)

[truthaddict11]

Quote: from CCCP on 4:13 pm on July 22, 2003
The best music stays metal.




what about this "nu-metal" crap

[Marxist in Nebraska]

Comrade Victorcommie,
If you want some real political punk, you should check out The Clash (especially their early stuff, from what I hear), Dead Kennedys, and Propaghandi...

[bluerev002]

The unseen, NOFX, Pennywise...

[Urban Rubble]

Holy shit guys, please do not get this "what is real punk" debate going on, please, just don't, it's too subjective. There ARE certain bands that I can definately say are disgusting pop "punk" bullshit, I'll get into those in a minute. I could very easily say Pennywise is not "real" punk. I think they are O.K, but their last few albums have been generic bullshit. Remember that song "Fuck Authority" ? It doesn't get any more generic than that, I think they've run out of things to say, if they ever had any at all.

VictorCommie, I think it's sad that an educated guy like yourself would make such a lame generalization of punk rock. Then you say "yay Classic rock", how broad of a term is that ? Are you a Foghat fan ? You say it's "simplistic crap", are you one of those guys who thinks the music has to be insanely hard to play for it to be "good" ? If so, check out the Living End, that guy is an amazing guitar player, they have a standup bass also. You shouldn't make those kind of generalizations, there are ALOT talented punk bands, and there are also alot who aren't the most skilled at their instruments but can write the most beautiful simple song you'll ever hear. And you also said the lyrics are "vulgar", for one, so are alot of lyrics in classic rock and two, there are so many fucking punk bands you can't begin to say all of them are "vulgar". At least when they are saying "fuck" they put something important after it.

Now, for Good Charlotte. These guys make me sick. It's one thing to be a pop punk band and be on MTV and all that shit. Sum 41 does it, and they seem like cool guys, I don't really like their music, but oh well. THe thing about Good Charlotte is, they try and come off as such hardcore punkers with all the spikes and makeup and shit, yet they play pussy pop music about the mall and girlfriends. It's sick, I hate them. I don't even want to write a big rant about them, I ***** about this shit enough. These guys are fakes, a gimmick. That Rolling Stone article was hilarious.

[Zombie]

so....what is real punk??

underground punk

[bluerev002]

Quote: from Zombie on 2:55 am on July 23, 2003
so....what is real punk??

underground punk

Anything that is against authority, fast pased, and you could hardly understand. Total Chaos is punk! Arent they?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

VictorCommie, I think it's sad that an educated guy like yourself would make such a lame generalization of punk rock. Then you say "yay Classic rock", how broad of a term is that ?

Perhaps it was an uneducated generalization of punk rock. When i say classic rock, ...well...I like most sorts of music (except punk, i'll explain later), but I especialy enjoy rock from about '65 to '79.

You say it's "simplistic crap", are you one of those guys who thinks the music has to be insanely hard to play for it to be "good" ? If so, check out the Living End, that guy is an amazing guitar player, they have a standup bass also. You shouldn't make those kind of generalizations, there are ALOT talented punk bands, and there are also alot who aren't the most skilled at their instruments but can write the most beautiful simple song you'll ever hear.

I was referring to the lack of variation of and an overtly simplistic backround melody (which does make a song bad) and boring rythm. As for the punk bands, i was referring to what my friend showed me, which was his personal compilation of Avril and Linkin park and Good charlote songs. Which fit well into my description of punk, I think. Sorry if I generalized, but i expected punk rock to be like the stuff he showed me.

[And you also said the lyrics are "vulgar", for one, so are alot of lyrics in classic rock and two, there are so many fucking punk bands you can't begin to say all of them are "vulgar". At least when they are saying "fuck" they put something important after it.

None of the classic rock lyrics i heard were more vulgar than those of skater boys by Avril.

[Lefty]

I enjoy a good punk song now and then. I own a few CDs by the Ramones, Dead Kennedys, The Clash, Pennywise, Bad Religion, Green Day, etc. True, there isn't much variation, but as they say don't fix it if it ain't broke! Fast drums, simple guitar, and angry lyrics make for a good song, in my opinion. Unless it sucks, in which case it isn't good. See, I just simplified the art of critiquing music right there. All music is good. Unless it sucks, in which case it is not good. I'm a genius.

[Lefty]

And good charlotte is punk...just not good punk.

[MiNdGaMe]

Listen to the bands that started Political Punk and Anarcho-Punk:
Conflict and Crass :)

(Edited by MiNdGaMe at 1:27 pm on July 23, 2003)

[Urban Rubble]

VictorCommie, now I understand why you don't like punk rock, YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT PUNK ROCK IS. Sorry for the caps, but Jesus H Christ, you named Avril Lavingne and Linkin Park as the punk bands you've heard ? I don't even know what to say, saying those bands are punk would be like me saying Metallica is classic rock.

Avril Lavigne is pop--rock-country. The only thing punk about her is the spikes on her bracelet.

Linkin Park is a hip hop/metal band. I cannot believe you think that is a punk band, that shit is so far away from punk.

Good Charlotte plays REALLY poppy "punk". That's the closet thing you mentioned to a punk band, and they can just BARELY be classified as punk.

I'm not trying to be a dick here, but I am seriously amazed that you think that is punk rock. I really don't get what you (or your friend) were thinking. I'm not even going to debate this anymore, because you've never heard a punk band.

[El Brujo]

Quote: from truthaddict11 on 8:55 am on July 23, 2003

Quote: from CCCP on 4:13 pm on July 22, 2003
The best music stays metal.






what about this "nu-metal" crap


It is as much "metal" as pop-punk is "punk". Both are media creations that dillute the generes/subcultures in their true form to make them part of the establishment (hence, the development of the "trendy lefty" which is disgracing all true socialists by associating us with dumbass hippies).

(Edited by El Brujo at 8:50 am on July 24, 2003)

[Rastafari]

how about this...mainstream music sucks

[Urban Rubble]

"how about this...mainstream music sucks"

Says the guy with Bob Marley as his avatar.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

How can you tell it's bob marley??

[Rastafari]

I'm sorry, was Bob Marley ever a financial success in the US? and besides, for all you know, I could have meant Mainstream Music sucks today

Music has degenerated over the past 25 years into fashion-show drivel

[Urban Rubble]

Because it's the cover to a Bob Marley album. Not that I don't like Marley, I've smoked joints at his burial site, I'm just saying he IS mainstream, so if that guy thinks mainstream music sucks, I find it odd that he would listen to Bob.

Most mainstream music does suck though.

[Urban Rubble]

I posted that last one before I say you post Rasta.

Marley was a HUGE financial success in the U.S, not as much when he was alive, but still. Legend was in the top 10 for so fucking long, his wife is making a ton of money. Are you trying to claim that he isn't mainstream music ? I'm sorry, even if he never sold a damned album in this country, when you see fat 50 year old tourists on a cruise ship singing "One Love", you know he's mainstream.

Yes, MOST mainstream music sucks today, I agree, it always has. I wouldn't say that "music" has turned into fashion show drivel, just mainstream music.

[Rastafari]

I think mainstream music in the mid to late 60's and very early 70's was a good thing, myself. James Brown was pumping out a new hit every week, god bless him, and the west coast was doing some truly great things.

[GuerrillaXthreaT]

i think its cool that they do benifits, and there not sell outs due to the fact that they never labeld there self as punk(hopefully) they have always been a mainstream mallcore band and there is the fact that they suck lyricaly and they suck musicly and i hate them with an every growing passion i almost enjoy hatting them

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Quote: from Rastafari on 2:23 pm on July 24, 2003
I think mainstream music in the mid to late 60's and very early 70's was a good thing, myself. James Brown was pumping out a new hit every week, god bless him, and the west coast was doing some truly great things.


yeah, man!!

[Urban Rubble]

Victor, reply to my longer post, the one that was a few back. I still don't understand where you got the idea that Avril Lavigne or Linkin Park were punk bands. Will you just admit that you've never heard a punk band and apologize for making such a fucked up generalization.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Quote: from Urban Rubble on 5:33 pm on July 24, 2003
Victor, reply to my longer post, the one that was a few back. I still don't understand where you got the idea that Avril Lavigne or Linkin Park were punk bands. Will you just admit that you've never heard a punk band and apologize for making such a fucked up generalization.

all right, man, alright, it's cool.
HEY! EVERYONE! I'M SORRY, ALRIGHT? I HAVE NEVER HEARD A TRUE PUNK BAND!!! GOT IT?! EVERYBODY!! I'M SORRY! ALL RIGHT? URBAN? IS THIS GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU?!

okay, i'm just kidding, but seriously man, i thought it was punk, i'm sorry, dude. I apologize.

[Urban Rubble]

I really wasn't trying to be a dick. I am honestly just bewildered as to where you got that idea. No hard feelings, just try not to generalize so much. I'm sure there are punks bands that you would enjoy.

My friend Chris is alot like you, he is really into classical rock. He goes to Berkely Music School in Boston and only likes music that is really intricate. He always said he hated punk because it was too simple, then I showed him some bands with talent and he actually listens to a little punk now.

[Guardia Bolivariano]

Punk is an attitude.

Punk music is a genre.

Punk music is fast and sings about everything..

As for the punk attitude I has alot to do with anarchy most of the time and the do it yourself Ideals.

Being punk doesn't mean you only listen to punk music is just means you choose a diferent way to look at things and live your life.

We must separete the punk ideals from the music if we really want to understand the topic..

[Fever]

As guardia said punk music has such a wide range, but everyone who is a "punk" has similiar ideals. That is why bands like good charlotte or simple plan are hated so much. Most of the best punk bands most of you probobly have never heard of and never will. Let me through out a few names.

The Adicts
Catch 22
Peter and the Test Tube Babys
River City Rebels
Midnight Creeps
Velvet Underground (slightly out of place)

[Guardia Bolivariano]

This is something I friend wrote about punk and pop punk

"Wow, that is to say, wow, I should think aca, did not want to do a disertacion of 82 lineas (since I am known by that trash) but devils, I have to say what this in my mind in a theme as sensitive as this. Asi that expondre various points that ojala and they are read because, modesty aside, I believe that I have good ideas as for this theme.



I believe that the percepcion that were handling of what is punk rocker this somewhat erroneous one. The 2 groups inside the punk scene to which are referring are the carajitos Pop Punk (Clothes: Cap Hurley of mallita, shoes dc of colors, thousand bracelets of plastico for the girls, etc. Musica: Avril Lavigne, Sum 41, Blink 182, Good charlotte, etc.) And the crusties (Clothes: broken Jeans, jackets of leather with patches of bands hit with safety pins, puas, crests in the hair, etc. Musica: The Exploited, D.O.A., Agnostic Front, Aus Rotten, etc.) and coño, these 2 groups are extremes that are extremely unhealthy.



For example, a carajito that Simple Plan listen, says that alive the anarquia and has caga to the policias and has car and extension of the card of credito of the breast, goes to private school and plays Tony Hawk in play station IS NOT PUNK ROCKER! In 3 years himself habra passed fashionable that this in fad at that time, all is about fashion, is a creatura desechable and inutil.



A carajo Crusty says that alive the anarquia and breaks the window of a Mcdonalds (where quizas a pop punk this eating) with his Dr. Martens, himself mea in the head of the employee that frie potatoes and paints a dove to the distance while runs of the policia, then takes refuge below a freeway for some hours, to proceed to buy drugs IS NOT PUNK ROCKER! Alone it pretends to be it for his paints that unfortunately in the imaginary popular one is as a punk rocker is seen (thanks by that Johnny Rotten, DAMNED MAMAGUEVO WITHOUT TALENT!) In 3 years he was dead person or imprisoned or he continue with this attitude inutil, is a kills of a style of life badly interpreted, is a creatura desechable and inutil.



An intelligent punk Rocker can be dressed as he being, the clothes and the hair have nothing to do, an intelligent punk rocker listens musica various (inside and out of the punk scene) and this open one to concepts and ideas originating from all parts. An intelligent punk rocker should suffer from time to time the looks, risitas and insults of so much pop punks as crusties, since these believe that the intelligent try to live al margin of what they consider "punk". An intelligent punk rocker knows that mc donalds has money to compensate for thousand windows destroyed, and instead of kicking things it writes letters and it investigates irregular and unjust situations in the corporate world and in other aspects of the life. An intelligent punk rocker does not see anything bad in the cards of credito, but well sees them like tools provided by the system to facilitate the life whenever one himself be not left to carry for the tentacion of the material thing. An intelligent punk rocker knows that a system water you anarquico is not but that an utopia (AND AN ESTUPIDA BY DEMAS, BASED ON LAZINESS AND LACK OF WILL TOWARD A POSITIVE CHANGE).



That is to say, we suppose that we live in a system anarquico, in said system not existirian companies that impose severity in something as simple as to give or not aprobacion so that an individual have the right to handle a car (right given by means of the otorgacion of a license to conduct, clear). Perhaps he is not felt common that is needed safeguards and to protect a right so basico as is that of walking for the life without to be knocked down by algun boy of 12 years al steering wheel (or if is therefore, thanks to the anarquia) a blind total?



An intelligent punk rocker utilizes the scene to promote social ideas of equality and general improvement, to traves of publications and musica inspiracional, not to traves of available flannels in the mall but nearby.



To weigh if there is been based on ideas of not conformism to a level extremist, the true punk rocker, (since the punk one avril is as false as that of the fighters of bars with thorns and badly smell) currently seeks ways to achieve a company but compared and jousts. Which does not it mean that have that to go to the lagunita to steal a house and to give the botin to the poor. The ones that already have not to should stop having, that is an equivocacion, the true idea is to show the metodos to obtain to the ones that do not possess.



Good, ojala that this have been of valia.



I am punk Rocker with my natural color of hair (Always I have thought that the ones that punks" want to seem retadores of the system and its precepts of beauty while they same do the perfect one "contrary" the same as is to pass minutes front al mirror so that its crest remain perfectly stop and blue) and with my disks of Willie Colon I am able escoñetar to any in a pot.



Eric (Who today use a tie to work and itself veia as an employee of bank in spite of the beard, the tauajes and the cancion of Leatherface that was tarareando ALL THE I GAVE!)



PD: The fashion is alone what is seen and nothing of that is true punk rocker. Of 100 "punks" 75 are pop punks and 25 are Crusties. One must expect to the proximo lot of 100 "punks" so that there be a person whose mind be sensible and merecedora to be a punk rocker.



PD2: Exists the concepcion that a punk rocker challenges all, but that is another idea estupida invented in the 70's. That is to say, so that serves to be complained of the system since a sofa inmundo? Because not to be productive and to try to improve the company since inside of she complying with the laws and demas? Certainly it is better to be a punk rocker with a work that a lazy one that say "Fuck society" and call you putita by wanting to do something better than being sat down to listen musica terrible (OR S. Bombs) and to age slow and amargadamente. "

I used an automatic translator so It came out in spanglish... sorry.





(Edited by Guardia Bolivariano at 4:58 am on July 25, 2003)

[Guardia Bolivariano]

More spanglish since I'm to tired to translate for myself

Don't like It? Blame google!

ANARCHY IN VENEZUELA!



A thing is to destroy for diversion with sense and another is to destroy for being idiot, and in reality what they showed the Venezuelan tomistas of the UCV is an enough sense MARKET, since they were dedicated to attack the McDonald´s of the Tower Lincoln of Plaza Venezuela in simbolo of protest of the foreign imperialism before the war Iraq, but what do not realize is that the same thatLocal, they dressed of Nike, Adidas, DC shoes and demas any marks gringo that of equal forms identify them as sunken of this American consumerism, then, why to destroy a plaza that substitutes the hunger by food, unemployment by work, bad educacion by formation?? why themselves are not organized and do a bonfire with the clothings that characterize them like part of the foreign consumerism? Fuck YOU!

Response

A day ago me dí counts that I am fucsia, me dí counts of that when dreamed with the crap that you wrote about the "Anarchy in Venezuela" and I congratulate it for so objective critical observation, although differ in some things that you express but that knows to crap.. When look at me al mirror filled of fucsia me dí counts that the punk one Venezuelan is elitesco, the "revolutionary" punketos native are an elite that shout when hear the word burguesia when they are part of that class. As many as punketos Venezuelan there are children of laborers or rural? The punk rocker is elitesco. Why if want so much equality himself do not begin to listen sauce and the popular music of the marginalized Venezuelan neighborhoods? Without more than saying, but a simple labial music me dismissal

[Beautiful Day]

I know your all very critical of pop punk but look at Saves The Day they are very politically minded.

I dare you to visit their site and almost every link listed is to a politically concious website.

[Rastafari]

yeah. Punk is always called simple, but listen to the Clash!

[El Brujo]

meh

Bad Brains
Agnostic Front
Madball
Cro-Mags
Minor Threat
Youth of Today
The Misfits
Warzone
Negative Approach
Sick of it All
Anal ****
Cold as Life
Reagan Youth
The Exploited
Downset
Black Flag
Earth Crisis
Snapcase
Refused
Candiria
Sons of Abraham


xHARDCORE LIVESx


(Edited by El Brujo at 5:03 am on July 26, 2003)

[bluerev002]

You can tell what punk is just by listening to it!

and Good Charlotte is DEFINATELY NOT PUNK!

[Neo Marx]

true punk rock stays on indie labels, good charlotte probably has some big record deal with warner bros. or something


listen to Minor Threat
xXx

[Guardia Bolivariano]

Try this leftist punk band Apatia No

http://www.caracaspunk.com/mp3/@patia%20No...Capitalismo.mp3 (http://www.caracaspunk.com/mp3/@patia%20No%20-%20Contra%20ti,%20Capitalismo.mp3)


http://www.caracaspunk.com/mp3/@patia%20No...aboratorios.mp3 (http://www.caracaspunk.com/mp3/@patia%20No%20-%20en%20los%20laboratorios.mp3)

[El Brujo]

http://www.geocities.com/SidSludge/NYHC_History.html

[KillAllSexisthomophobicPigs]

I reccomend listening to circle jerks, and the old suicidal tendencies.
I find that anything called punk if you see it on trl or almost anything mtv thats new is not punk. I like other kinds of music (prince,bobmarley,RATM, etc.) so i find most people who like real punk bands from like early 80's down like other music too. No real punks go out and waste money on a stupid bracelet cause they think it would make them punk. Also check out sex pistols they r pretty cool(though i think they were facisists:( but i only saw clues in intervews not the songs themselves) Sorry if this reply is out of order im too tired to fix it.


to sum up that whole mess YOUR NOT PUNK IF YOU THINK YOU ARE CAUSE OF YOUR LOOKS OR WHAT YOU BUY! ALMOST FORGOT NAZI PUNK SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Urban Rubble]

The Sex Pistols weren't fascists, they just wore Swastikas to shock people.

I like the Circle Jerks too, but this was a thread about Oi.

[Political Suicide]

Haha. A good charlotte fan bringing down bad religion! HAHA! Bad Religion couldn't bring themselves down. They are one of the greatest punk bands of the late 80s and 90s. Their fan base is larger than almost any other older punk bank that remains true to the 70s and 80s style of punk rock. And who gives a shit? He gives an honest opinion - good charlotte sucks, not exactly a lie. Who gives a fuck is they look up to them. Do trendy assholes really expect some kind of respect from bad religion? Come on.


And to whoever asked what is real punk rock? Well, its defined by the person. Punk rock to me is the street punk, the 80s punk style. The hard, fast, angry, political lyrics. Thats punk rock to me.

But to someone else, its completly different, and its important for that to be respected. I have no problem with someone calling good charlotte punk. Perhaps they are. perhaps they are the punk rock of THIS generation, i love the punk rock of the last generation. and the one before that. I don't like good charlotte because they are fake and trendy, but doesn't that really sum up the current punk rock scene? or the whole current musical scene? fake and trendy. Everyone is fake and everyone is trendy. Thats America.

Everyone. Take a step and bow down to our friend, the dollar.

[truthaddict11]

welcome back Political Suicide

[Uhuru na Umoja]

I have to agree with Political Suicide on this one. In my mind Good Charlotte are not real punk, but to most my friends they are. Many people try to empirically 'prove' that they are not a punk band. Punk is merely a label, and what it means will inevitably change. I think we have to accept that increasingly bands like Good Charlotte, Sum 41 and Blink are seen as punk, regarless of whether or not we agree with the designation.

[mentalbunny]

Uhuru na Umoja, I'd agree with that. I'd say the Good Charlottes of this world take inspiration from Punk but actually produce a hybrid of pop and punk, and anything blended with pop, for me at least, is instantly devalued, so no, they aren't real punk, it's like sugar and sweetener. Sugar's pure and natural, sweetener isn't, and some kinds of sweetener have negative side effects, like making you angry (I can't remember which sweetener it is, I avoid them all like the plague).

[Uhuru na Umoja]

Another band that I think fits within the "new" broader vision people have of punk is Blink 182 (and of course Sum 41 as well). I actually quite like some of their songs, but it's hardly what I would consider pure punk; it's non-political, and tends of focus of minor teenage issues. Nonetheless to many people it is punk, and as such we must acknowledge this changing definition of punk, regardless of our own misgivings regarding it. Besides this is all really just a pedantic argument regarding sematics.