The formation of guerrilla groups in American cities

[sunfarstar]

For die-hard right-wing bourgeois, we should be clear physical! Revolutionary win!

[Jimmie Higgins]

For die-hard right-wing bourgeois, we should be clear physical! Revolutionary win!

Thanks for your enthusiasm, but I think you jumped the red-shark.

There are quite a few steps in building our movement before we can assess what will be necessary in the circumstances of a Revolution.

Convincing workers under attack of cuts due to the economic crisis that they should organize and fight-back or they will loose and find themselves even more powerless is more like the things we need to be doing now.

Opposing racism and budget cuts and building confidence in a new generation of activists and workers so that we can begin to create revolutionary parties and organizations is also more along the lines of the order of the day.

[New Tet]

For die-hard right-wing bourgeois, we should be clear physical! Revolutionary win!


I suppose that's your premise and prescription in a nut shell, eh? For the "die-hard right-wing bourgeois we should be clear [sic] physical!"

In other words, we (presumably you and me) should kick some "right-wing" bourgeois ass; we'll kill them all and let God sort them out.

Bad idea.

A guerrilla is not necessarily a revolutionary. Take the Taliban, for example. Sure, they're fighting against a cruel, tyrannical and blood-thirsty invader, but what for? The right to impose a burka on a woman and to decapitate or stone her to death if she runs afoul of their precious, godly laws, the right to sell opium as they see fit.

These guerrillas rule by the sword and the gun, with a fucking imam or a god-damned mullah sitting in judgment and striking the first blow on the victim who, as it happens, is brought to the sacrificial altar bound like a sheep. Like something out the Old Testament. That's what they do to each other. To us, the invaders, and to the innocent bystanders who simply want to live in peace and security, well, that's another can of worms.

And you want guerrillas roaming our streets and back-alleys dispensing holy justice against "die-hard, right-wing bourgeois"?

Have you ever seen a bourgeois in the flesh? Hell, for all I know your imaginary guerrillas might confuse me for a bourgeois and snuff me out because I have a new car, a nice home and a swimming pool in the back.

After all, it has happened before (confused for a bourgeois, that is, not snuffed out)!

Back in 1976 I was stationed for eight months at a NATO base in Italy. Being a kid myself, I made friends with some of the local Italian kids. I spent all of my free time with them. At one point, I felt as if they were close to accepting me as one of their own. After all, I was learning a lot of Italian (from them!) But I made a stupid mistake:

One day, I showed some of them pictures of my family and home back in the States. They examined the snapshots with great care and curiosity. Suddenly, one of them, a picture of my house in his hands, declared, "Madonna, you're a bourgeois!" He couldn't have been more wrong; In those days, my dad had been a Teamster longer than I had been alive.

So, what's the plan, man? First we kill the bourgeois, then we kill each other?

[sunfarstar]

What I mean is: to establish an armed revolution. We can not use violent means to make the bourgeoisie in yields extremely bad, so the flesh is the best way to eradicate. I know that Americans can have guns, it is legitimate. If we establish a non-uniform forces. China called the "Mission除奸." We have a deterrent. We will be afraid of the bourgeoisie. You should know that the sixties in Germany, "Red Brigade", in Japan, "Red Army", and so on. We also have our times of violence organizations. Believe me, this is not the killing of the innocent.

[sunfarstar]

In a recent Jilin Tonghua Iron and Steel Plant of China's workers struggle, the Chinese workers to take a number of violent means, and killed a very bad capitalists. It is organized violence, the perpetrators are protected and solidarity. That is how we struggle and capitalists. Bureaucrat-capitalist class in our country's victory in front of a compromise. This is a good example.

[x359594]

In a recent Jilin Tonghua Iron and Steel Plant of China's workers struggle, the Chinese workers to take a number of violent means, and killed a very bad capitalists. It is organized violence, the perpetrators are protected and solidarity...

I sympathize comrade, but in the USA at least the conditions for armed struggle are not yet ripe, since the sole purpose of armed struggle must be that of strengthening and protecting autonomous worker's orgainzations or councils, allowing them to grow into a power independent of the capitalist structures which they will replace.

In our current stage of struggle, no authentic working class organization exists which is strong enough to coordinate an armed struggle for power. The current task of the revolutionary movement, therefore, is to build up a foundation of syndicalist worker's councils to fight for democracy in the workplace and for a larger role for workers in the management of the enterprises and factories.

This process must be supported with legal steps and with extralegal support in the form of strikes, sabotage, and direct actions. Currently, there is little role to be fulfilled by armed guerrilla actions. As the worker's councils mature and produce a revolutionary situation, however, the need for armed action grows.

In the beginning of the struggle, when the working class forces are weak and scattered, the task of armed action is simply to defend the worker's councils from the repressive forces of the capitalist state. Armed force is purely defensive, and takes the form of resistance to police raids and other repressive actions.

As the movement grows, the need to defend the councils from armed repression grows with it. At a certain point, moreover, the working class movement will be capable of carrying out limited actions to combat and weaken the bourgeois power structure. Armed actions have the political goal of demonstrating that the capitalists are not invincible and that they can be defeated by the working class's attacks.

As the class struggle breaks into open warfare, the councils serve as provisional government bodies, defended by the armed strength of the working class. When it becomes possible to contest power in the streets, to bring to a head the "dual power" contradiction, the councils serve to coordinate the general strike and the armed uprising which sweeps away the capitalist power structure and places control of the economy in the hands of the working class organizations.

[Pogue]

For die-hard right-wing bourgeois, we should be clear physical! Revolutionary win!


I wish you were the person who decided what slogan appeared on all the placards you see on demos.

[PRC-UTE]

For die-hard right-wing bourgeois, we should be clear physical! Revolutionary win!


:thumbup1:

keep up the struggle!

can you post some piccies of frogs like you used to?

[*Red*Alert]

For die-hard right-wing bourgeois, we should be clear physical! Revolutionary win!

A man after my own heart! :cool:

However, currently the conditions for armed revolution do not (yet) exist in any country in "the West", either in American or Europe, and it will remain this way until Worker's are pushed to the very brink of existence.

I believe that we on the Left must continue agitating wherever possible, around issues relevant to the ordinary citizens of the Working Class, namely in an Irish context, the upcoming introduction of a Property Tax, Water Rate Charges, and Carbon Taxes, aimed solely at the ordinary worker's to pay for the bail out of the Bankers and property speculators, a mere 50 of whom brought the banking system here to its knees.

[Jimmie Higgins]

[/LEFT]
A man after my own heart! :cool:

However, currently the conditions for armed revolution do not (yet) exist in any country in "the West", either in American or Europe, and it will remain this way until Worker's are pushed to the very brink of existence.Maybe I misunderstand your point, but actually I don't think the desperateness of the working class is really the main determining factor... workers in the US and France are more or less in the same position where the ruling class is trying to "fix" the economic crisis on the backs of workers by trying to get concessions from unions. In France, workers are fighting back... in the US, the business-unions are packing it in and throwing jobs into the fiery mouths of the bosses.

The difference? Working class conscientiousness and confidence. In France, workers know the power of strikes and solidarity and so they fight back. In the US, business unions have taught workers to apologize for having health care or job security and that strikes are the worst possible outcome from contract negotiations.

So I think we can go from our current state to a more revolutionary on regardless of how pushed into the dirt we are if we do the basic steps right now that you state here:


I believe that we on the Left must continue agitating wherever possible, around issues relevant to the ordinary citizens of the Working Class, namely in an Irish context, the upcoming introduction of a Property Tax, Water Rate Charges, and Carbon Taxes, aimed solely at the ordinary worker's to pay for the bail out of the Bankers and property speculators, a mere 50 of whom brought the banking system here to its knees.

In the US: organizing and building alternative unions, making radical arguments with our fellow rank and file within the business-unions, protesting budget cuts and demanding relief for the poor and an end to foreclosures and of course, building our radical organizations and groups.

[*Red*Alert]

Maybe I misunderstand your point, but actually I don't think the desperateness of the working class is really the main determining factor... workers in the US and France are more or less in the same position where the ruling class is trying to "fix" the economic crisis on the backs of workers by trying to get concessions from unions. In France, workers are fighting back... in the US, the business-unions are packing it in and throwing jobs into the fiery mouths of the bosses.

The difference? Working class conscientiousness and confidence. In France, workers know the power of strikes and solidarity and so they fight back. In the US, business unions have taught workers to apologize for having health care or job security and that strikes are the worst possible outcome from contract negotiations.

Things are currently the same in Ireland and, as far as I know, in Wales, England, and Scotland as well. My view that the desperation of the working class is necessary for radical action is more a last hope than a consistent, long term view.

People have endured, and are set to endure, a multitude of new cuts and taxes all aimed to finance the bail-out of the Bankers and Property Speculators who ruined the country, this is being done through re-financing the banks with taxpayers money and also using same to purchase the debts of the Property Developers from the Banks.

In France the people are confident and are standing up, but none of this is happening in Ireland, the biggest march in decades of 100,000 people didn't really dent the resolve of the Government to implement the cuts, and the Unions (a bunch of capitalist infiltrated, counter revolutionaries) threatened a 3-day General Strike but chickened out at the last moment.

So the more desperate things get, I'm hoping that radicialism will spark from that, otherwise we're fucked!

[scarletghoul]

It makes more sense than the Sam Webb CPUSA method of achieving revolution.
An armed revolutionary force in an america city will need to have a lot of support though, so before we strike we should concentrate on propaganda efforts first.

[Charles Xavier]

It makes more sense than the Sam Webb CPUSA method of achieving revolution.
An armed revolutionary force in an america city will need to have a lot of support though, so before we strike we should concentrate on propaganda efforts first.


Thanks Officer Agent Provocateur.

[scarletghoul]

No problem. If you want to discuss plans in more detail just email me at [email protected]