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Stand Your Ground
27th July 2009, 22:55
I wasn't sure where to put this so I put it here, move it if need be.

In my opinion the United States is run by 90% racists (not the president now of course). I see time and time again racists are getting away with hate crimes and murder. Especially in the south. Just a couple days ago two white men where aquitted from murdering a black man when they dragged him 70 feet with their truck. How else would they get away with that?

Other opinions?

Black Cross
27th July 2009, 22:59
Maybe, but the government is all the more racist if we consider the economy as part of the government of a society; Economy favors whitey, that's showing favor of one race over another, which is racist.

But as far as what they call the government... ya, they're pretty racist too.

FreeFocus
28th July 2009, 03:30
The individuals in government may not be directly racist, but the US is a settler state. By definition, it's racist.

Kukulofori
28th July 2009, 03:41
I strongly encourage you to look into how we treat our indigenous people.

Lowest life expectancy of anyone in the world. And that includes Africa and stuff.

Ol' Dirty
28th July 2009, 03:50
The United States government is deeply racist. A majority of the Southern signatories to the Declaration of Independence were slaveowners, with two of the three writers owning slaves. The South was dependent on Afroamerican labor to expropriate cash crops such as cotton and tobacco from the land. It commited numerous genocides against the Amerindian population, spat on Amerasians, and continues to violate American immigrants from former Spanish colonial possessions. It history of racial exploitation is eclipsed only by Brazil, South Africa and Haiti.

RainbowLeftist
28th July 2009, 04:00
I wasn't sure where to put this so I put it here, move it if need be.

In my opinion the United States is run by 90% racists (not the president now of course). I see time and time again racists are getting away with hate crimes and murder. Especially in the south. Just a couple days ago two white men where aquitted from murdering a black man when they dragged him 70 feet with their truck. How else would they get away with that?

Other opinions?

Can you prove Obama isn't the least bit racist?

I don't know abut the government, but just about everyone I know is atleast a bit racist.

khad
28th July 2009, 04:07
Can you prove Obama isn't the least bit racist?

I don't know abut the government, but just about everyone I know is atleast a bit racist.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/819177,CST-NWS-sweet29.article

Obama to black community: "Y'all have Popeyes out in Beaumont? I know some of y'all you got that cold Popeyes out for breakfast. I know. That's why y'all laughing. ... You can't do that. Children have to have proper nutrition. That affects also how they study, how they learn in school."

RainbowLeftist
28th July 2009, 04:35
Obama to black community: "Y'all have Popeyes out in Beaumont? I know some of y'all you got that cold Popeyes out for breakfast. I know. That's why y'all laughing. ... You can't do that. Children have to have proper nutrition. That affects also how they study, how they learn in school."

???

You can only be racist to black folks?

FreeFocus
28th July 2009, 04:38
Well, Obama is a racist, given his support for the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. If you recall his campaign rhetoric, he was talking about Iraqis learning "responsibility" and that they "need to take control of their country," completely disregarding the fact that the US is an occupying power and usurped Iraqi sovereignty in the first place. And then he goes on talking about how they need to "rebuild" - easy to say to the victim when you're the one who fucking wrecked the country's infrastructure. :rolleyes:

Jimmie Higgins
28th July 2009, 04:46
I wasn't sure where to put this so I put it here, move it if need be.

In my opinion the United States is run by 90% racists (not the president now of course). I see time and time again racists are getting away with hate crimes and murder. Especially in the south. Just a couple days ago two white men where aquitted from murdering a black man when they dragged him 70 feet with their truck. How else would they get away with that?

Other opinions?

I agree with the comrade who said that the individuals may not be racist, but that the system is racist. However, settler-state is not the primary current form of racism in the US.

The system is profoundly racist and the main way this plays out for most Americans is divide and conquer and scapegoating for problems in society caused by the system itself. Native workers are pitted against immigrants and even documented immigrants are pitted against undocumented workers. We are forced to compete and fight over crumbs while unable to confront the whole system.

Oppressed groups are also commonly scapegoated in the US. The system uses racism as a buffer to the failings of the system. We've had 30 years of budget cuts yet who do the rich and republicans and working class right-wingers blame? Immigrants and "welfare queens" "leeching" off our "fantastic system" - what complete racist bullshit!

Elites use the conservative christian networks and organizations to whip up fear of homosexuals and blame them for everything from poverty to natural disasters! Bush allows black people to drown in New Orleans and the right wing Christians blame same-sex relationships for the hurricane - what bullshit!

Infrastructure and jobs in cities have been neglected, school funds cut while making bigger class sizes and according to the politicians and the media, what's the biggest problem? Minority teenagers! Redlining and subprime loans have left your neighborhood a ghetto, but according to the media and politicans the real reason is graffitti and gangs!

Repression and racism have always been a big part of US life - now we've traded in the official racism of Jim-crow for the unofficial racism of the prison system that can throw people away and then blame these victims of the system for all the faults of the system iself.

Jimmie Higgins
28th July 2009, 04:56
Well, Obama is a racist, given his support for the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. If you recall his campaign rhetoric, he was talking about Iraqis learning "responsibility" and that they "need to take control of their country," completely disregarding the fact that the US is an occupying power and usurped Iraqi sovereignty in the first place. And then he goes on talking about how they need to "rebuild" - easy to say to the victim when you're the one who fucking wrecked the country's infrastructure. :rolleyes:

I wouldn't call Obama racist outright because it would isolate me from many other people I want to try and attract to radicalism and fighting racism. But US imperialism has always heavily relied on racism to sell their wars and as the figurehead for US imperialism, Obama is not outside that fact. Additionally, Obama uses the language of racism whenever he talks to black organizations and audiences.

In black churches on the campaign trail and at the NAACP recentley, Obama implied that black people needed to "put down the playstations and turn off sports center" if they want to imporve their position in US society. So unlike the great speach Obama made about the historical roots of racism in the US (during the whole Rev. Wright controversy) he implies that racism is the fault of black people themselves.

Long before Obama and Bill Cosby said such things, this theory of black inequality was perfected by people like Denesh DeSosa and parroted by right-wing radio hacks like Limbaugh. Radicals should pressure Obama to decide - is balck opression from racism or self-imposed because black people "watch too much tv". Imagine if any white politician went before the NAACP and said that black poverty was because black people are lazy and play video games rather than make businesses? The media would not call it "tough-love" as they did when Obama said it, they would call it "just plain hate" which they should.

I think Obama's smart and probably really believes what he said in the Rev. Wright speech rather than what he is saying as President. But Obama is also the head of a racist system and so must do what he can to promote the racist ideology that allows the US to dispoportiantely imprison poor black and latinos and native americans.

Stand Your Ground
29th July 2009, 16:59
Can you prove Obama isn't the least bit racist?

I don't know abut the government, but just about everyone I know is atleast a bit racist.
I can't prove that he isn't, but I can't prove that he is either. I don't have TV and I don't read the news online, the news I really care about is Antifa stuff lol.

As for everyone being a little racist, I disagree, I'm not at all racist or prejudice towards anyone.

scarletghoul
29th July 2009, 17:11
It's a primarily racist power structure. Sure, a half black man can become president, but only if he's upper class and not from the black ghetto. There's still a load of racism against blacks and hispanics by police, justice system, employers and stuff.

Sarah Palin
29th July 2009, 17:56
Just trace the history all the way back to the Dutch playing soccer with Native American heads in Manhattan in the 1600's. This is on par with what FreeFocus said regarding it being a settler state. After Manhattan, we can go to the extermination of natives for 300 years, while simultaneously enslaving Africans, then putting natives on reservations and saying where and where not Africans can eat, sleep, pee, and work. Currently, we are not a "racist government" (not in the majority anyway) but we have always been racist.

Dimentio
29th July 2009, 18:08
I wasn't sure where to put this so I put it here, move it if need be.

In my opinion the United States is run by 90% racists (not the president now of course). I see time and time again racists are getting away with hate crimes and murder. Especially in the south. Just a couple days ago two white men where aquitted from murdering a black man when they dragged him 70 feet with their truck. How else would they get away with that?

Other opinions?

The local governments and local judiciary in the south are probably more racist than the federal government.

h9socialist
29th July 2009, 18:36
Eventually, however, the upper crust in the US is getting more African-Americans, Latinos, gays and lesbians,etc., BUT poverty and exploitation run rampant. The problem with the US is that we view equality as equal opportunity to climb the economic "ladder." The goal should be to make such ladders archaic and irrelevant in the face the end of class society.

Stand Your Ground
30th July 2009, 17:43
The local governments and local judiciary in the south are probably more racist than the federal government.


Eventually, however, the upper crust in the US is getting more African-Americans, Latinos, gays and lesbians,etc., BUT poverty and exploitation run rampant. The problem with the US is that we view equality as equal opportunity to climb the economic "ladder." The goal should be to make such ladders archaic and irrelevant in the face the end of class society.
I agree.The south is where the racists get away with it.

Exactly, the US focuses on the rich getting richer, and the poor getting poorer.

n0thing
30th July 2009, 18:34
I don't think there is any racism in the ruling class. It's generally useful for capitalists to make other people believe that blacks, jews, arabs or what-have-you, are inferior, because then they can more efficiently exploit them. I think most of them are probably well aware that the white race isn't particularly special. Even if they weren't, it wouldnt be a factor in their decision making. A good capitalist doesn't let ideology get in the way of profit. If racist tactics become profitable, they will use racist tactics. If multiculturalism becomes profitable, they will foster multiculturalism.

seventhparadise
31st July 2009, 00:28
Everyone is racist in some shape or form. We can't help it as human beings.

Manifesto
31st July 2009, 01:05
Everyone is racist in some shape or form. We can't help it as human beings.
I think racism usually comes from parents.

Asoka89
31st July 2009, 01:26
Most racism is structural.. I think "ideological" racism has been on the decline since the 1960s, baring the upsurge after 9/11. Obviously HISTORICALLY ethnic conflict / racism has been used to divide the working class, there is no denying that. I just don't think that today most of the racism is intentionally or a deliberate tactic, but rather just deeply ingrained into the structure of class society in America.

I say this as a minority in the US.