Anarcho-Primitivism=?

[The Essence Of Flame Is The Essence Of Change]

What exactly do anarcho-primitivists believe/support , what is their conflicts with normal anarchism and why aren't they allowed here?:confused:

[Dimentio]

The anarcho-primitivists believe that industrialism, agriculture, language, tools are oppressive and alienates us from our true nature - namely nature. Not all of them believe that all those structures are repressive, but most at least find industry reprehensible. They want to move into a pre-modern state of technology, which they imagine would be some sort of pristine paradise of free love and free hugs.

The reason why they are not allowed here is/was that their outlook is reactionary and would result in the creation of extreme class societies.

[gorillafuck]

They want to abolish technology and civilization in favor of a hunter-gatherer society.

[*Viva La Revolucion*]

To be honest, I can't see that ever happening, unless they organise themselves into isolated groups and communities like a left-wing version of the Amish.

[Madvillainy]

Primitivists seeks the abolition of all technology. They don't care if millions of people die from this as long as they get to live like cavemen.

So basically the main reason they are rightfully restricted is because their ideas require a whole lot of people to die in order to work. They're reactionary bastards.

[Black Sheep]

The reason why they are not allowed here is/was that their outlook is reactionary and would result in the creation of extreme class societies.And also because of the extreme stupidity of the fairy-talish idea.
People nowadays have far more and greater needs than the ones 2K years ago.

Any serious revolutionary leftist aims at exactly that, the emancipation of the working class and eventually everyone oppressed, so that their (modern) needs can be fully satisfied through the abundance of the current technological level of production .

[bricolage]

To be honest, I can't see that ever happening, unless they organise themselves into isolated groups and communities like a left-wing version of the Amish.

Hmmm, not sure if it will happen voluntarily but to be honest if we fuck the world up enough it's where we'll be.

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

[The Essence Of Flame Is The Essence Of Change]

Hmm...do they identify the existence of technology as a threat to a classless society or do they face it as an enemy to Nature as some kind of deity in the paganism-like way?Oh and @ Barabbas comment I think we all here agree that irresponsible use of technology could lead us to a disaster and that technology is nothing more than a tool to help humanity, that's pretty much common sense...

[Dimentio]

Hmm...do they identify the existence of technology as a threat to a classless society or do they face it as an enemy to Nature as some kind of deity in the paganism-like way?Oh and @ Barabbas comment I think we all here agree that irresponsible use of technology could lead us to a disaster and that technology is nothing more than a tool to help humanity, that's pretty much common sense...

Ohh... they usually do it all three, but claims that they see it as a threat to the classless society mostly.

[*Viva La Revolucion*]

Hmmm, not sure if it will happen voluntarily but to be honest if we fuck the world up enough it's where we'll be.

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

Maybe one day we will be living like that, but only as a result of some major, major disasters. :( That doesn't mean it's where we should be.

[bricolage]

Maybe one day we will be living like that, but only as a result of some major, major disasters. :( That doesn't mean it's where we should be.

Well no of course not, I'm just saying it is a possibility.

[Kukulofori]

Language? Seriously?

[yuon]

Funny thing, there are a stack of threads in the similar threads section at the bottom of the page. It will tell you all you need to know...

I must say, don't take what everyone here says as the whole truth, people seem to distort ideologies that aren't their own.

For example, someone above said that primitivists don't care if millions die, well, anarchist primitivists do, and want a pre-industrial society voluntarily.

Anarchist primitivists identify technology as the cause of oppression and believe that only without technology is freedom possible. In other words, they want the same as other anarchists (a free society, without oppression, hierarchy etc.), but identify technology as the problem, rather than, say, capitalism and the state.

So far as it goes, I think it's bunk. People use technology for a reason, it makes their life easier. And even if we go back to a pre-technological society, technology will always make a come back, as people try to make their lives easier.

Without technology, there is no way to explain why technology is bad...

[Manifesto]

So they would not even settle for Amish and would become hunters and gathers? This cannot have many supporters.

[bricolage]

For example, someone above said that primitivists don't care if millions die, well, anarchist primitivists do, and want a pre-industrial society voluntarily.

The thing is I strongly doubt a hunter-gatherer society would be able to support the population the world has now so whether they want millions to die or not is irrelevant, it is inevitable for them to die in order to reach primitivism.

[kalu]

If you want to get to the primary sources, look no further than John Zerzan. Against Civilization is a decent collection. Derrick Jensen is also fairly popular among primitivists, though I haven't read him.

[Chow Foo]

They lie about 'charity' and sheat. They are not fighting for the oppressed like us on the left.

[BabylonHoruv]

The thing is I strongly doubt a hunter-gatherer society would be able to support the population the world has now so whether they want millions to die or not is irrelevant, it is inevitable for them to die in order to reach primitivism.


Certainly, but they could be dying of old age, peacefully in their beds, after we voluntarially reduce our birthrate so that we can exist sustainable at a primitive level. Not likely, true, but possible.

[SubcomandanteJames]

Green-anarchism flies under the same flag of anarcho-primitivists though they are not inherently the same. Green-anarchists believe in technology, but earth first:thumbup1:, as appose to the primitivist concept of "earth only".