How're things going in India right now?

[Kukulofori]

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[LOLseph Stalin]

:confused:????:confused:

[scarletghoul]

not bad just chillin what u up 2?

[Kukulofori]

Lol, no, I mean is there a decent revolutionary scene there or? How are things with the Maoists?

[jake williams]

Lol, no, I mean is there a decent revolutionary scene there or? How are things with the Maoists?
Short answer: Dysfunctional.

Longer more honest answer: Very few people here actually know, and those that do mostly know (iirc) about a particular region - given it's an imperial creation, effectively, you don't have the sort of political and cultural homogeneity and continuity you get in a place like China or Canada - and even those places, of course, have considerable regional variation (the former more than the latter). Basically, the Punjab is different from West Bengal is different from the south, etc. etc.

In general though, to be frank and politically incorrect, and accounting for the fact that I'm really not an expert at all but I'm trying to give you some answer, Indian Maoism is weird even for Maoism. It just does some weird stuff, not to mention that the states where "Maoists" are actually in state government, they're participating in the large-scale seizure of land in the name of "SEZs" - effectively helping capitalism penetrate India while trying to dispossess the people of what little they have.

[Chow Foo]

Pretty good I'd say

[Kukulofori]

SEZs?

[jake williams]

SEZs?
Special Economic Zone. Basically an area (a large industrial park, typically) where the pretend laws that restrict, well, capitalism, aren't actually enforced.

[Saorsa]

I'm really not an expert at allPretty much the only true thing you said in that post. Kijuna, jammoe is an uninformed idiot who obviously knows nothing about the People's War in India. The party he's talking about, the Communist Party of India (Marxist), is not a Maoist organisation. It's not a communist organisation at all, and as Jammoe mentioned is happily managing capitalism and oppressing the masses. The Communist Party of India (Maoist) who you were asking about are actively waging revolutionary struggle in areas under CPM control, against CPM forces! For example the recent uprising in Lalgarh, where CPM offices were burned down, CPM cadre killed or driven out for being corrupt, feudalist power mongers and oppressors of the people. The Indian Maoists are alongside and in amongst the masses resisting these actions of the CPM, plus similar actions being carried out by other reactionary parties.

The People's War in India obviously has a long way to go, but it's going from strength to strength atm. The Prime Minister of India has called it the biggest internal security threat the country has ever faced, it is active across the country, has deep roots in sections of the most poor and oppressed people in India (notably the tribals, who it has had particular success in winning over) and is growing in size, strength and spread.

I would recommend this site, Revolution in South Asia (http://southasiarev.wordpress.com/), which just on it's front page at the moment has a number of excellent articles on the revolutionary struggle in India, and another incredibly important revolutionary process going on in neighbouring Nepal. Check out it's sister site Kasama (http://mikeely.wordpress.com/) too it's probably the best communist website around (for the record, I'm not actively involved in either site and this isn't just self promotion!).

In future Jammoe I'd recommend you refrain from commenting on subjects you obviously know nothing about. Since we're on the subject of Maoism there's a quote from Mao you would do well to consider - "No investigation, no right to speak".

[Kukulofori]

Great reply, thank you.

[jake williams]

In future Jammoe I'd recommend you refrain from commenting on subjects you obviously know nothing about. Since we're on the subject of Maoism there's a quote from Mao you would do well to consider - "No investigation, no right to speak".
Sir, I speak whenever the fuck I want. I figured that if I didn't say something, even if only to elicit response from others, the thread'd die, and I didn't want that to happen. I was entirely sincere in saying I didn't know a whole lot, but that doesn't disallow me being pretty skeptical about your Great People's War Will Be Victorious! kind of line.

[Kukulofori]

Don't think I don't appreciate your effort, too. Thanks.

[fabilius]

I must comment on the original question.

India has more than a billion inhabitants in an area that´s bigger than any european or african country.

How it´s going is like asking how things are going in Europe. Not EU, just Europe as a whole. I´d say it depends on the area, assuming you mean how are radical revolutionaries doing there.

Also, the maoist discussion here has a potential to become interesting. I know not enough to comment really.

[Revy]

I don't trust the CPI -Maoists more than I trust the CPI- Marxists.

Historically Maoism as a neo-Stalinist ideology has only resulted in bourgeois states. Mao thought that the bourgeoisie could be part of the revolution (Bloc of Four Classes).

We have already seen the failure of the Maoists in Nepal where they are already creating a wealthy and privileged bureaucratic class to manage capitalism in the name of communism.