Castro Communism in Ireland.

[MiriamDaly]

Just looking at some examples of Succesful communist powers like Cuba and was wondering would Ireland be able to adopt the Ideology of Communism and place a sole leader in charge of Ireland. Would Irish people embrace communism or reject it in all its manifestations. And if so why?


And is it a viable option to the Irish citizens to call for the Nationalisation of all Irish resources to battle the economic fall.

[Charles Xavier]

Just looking at some examples of Succesful communist powers like Cuba and was wondering would Ireland be able to adopt the Ideology of Communism and place a sole leader in charge of Ireland. Would Irish people embrace communism or reject it in all its manifestations. And if so why?


And is it a viable option to the Irish citizens to call for the Nationalisation of all Irish resources to battle the economic fall.


Castro isn't the sole leader of Cuba. He is selected by a democratically elected parliament alongside a committee to run the country. The most economically way for Ireland to get out of the crisis is through nationalization. But private interests will make every effort to prevent that from happening.

[F9]

Just looking at some examples of Succesful communist powers like Cuba and was wondering would Ireland be able to adopt the Ideology of Communism and place a sole leader in charge of Ireland. Would Irish people embrace communism or reject it in all its manifestations. And if so why?


And is it a viable option to the Irish citizens to call for the Nationalisation of all Irish resources to battle the economic fall.

Cuba isnt a successful communist "power", and its far from communism.Basically communism has yet to achieved anywhere.The ideology of communism dont has a "sole leader in charge" so if Ireland wants to adopt ideology of communism, then the proletarians have to revolt, by changing who rules dont gives and much.
If you want a model of "socialism" simillar with cubas, and thats what you are talking about when talk about "communism" seems unlikely from the bourgeoise to allow it, though not something that hard..
I dont know how irish people would react to this, you basically should know better.
Anw thats not the way going, the correct way is armed class struggle aka revolution.

Fuserg9:star:

[Communist]

>>Basically communism has yet to be achieved anywhere<<

Indeed, although this point is rarely made anymore. The differences between socialism and communism, once a hot topic in Left circles, needs brought up and explained more often these days...

Cuba is a socialist country, and like Tupac said, not *ruled* by one person.

Would socialism work in Ireland, sure, socialism would (and someday will) work everywhere.
:-)

[PRC-UTE]

Just looking at some examples of Succesful communist powers like Cuba and was wondering would Ireland be able to adopt the Ideology of Communism and place a sole leader in charge of Ireland. Would Irish people embrace communism or reject it in all its manifestations. And if so why?


And is it a viable option to the Irish citizens to call for the Nationalisation of all Irish resources to battle the economic fall.

Good choice for screenname :)

You might find this useful a chara: http://www.revleft.com/vb/cuban-versus-american-t109456/index.html?t=109456

[Seven Stars]

Currently, no it would not work. You can't have socialism while their is still partition.

[Kukulofori]

Northern Ireland can revolt just as well as Southern Ireland can. It doesn't matter WHICH bourgeois state's control you overthrow as long as you overthrow one.

[Dr Mindbender]

Currently, no it would not work. You can't have socialism while their is still partition.

i'd argue you need socialism to end partition.

At the moment the cross community working class cant find a common denominator (other than the immigration question), and it's capitalism's fault.

[redflag32]

i'd argue you need socialism to end partition.

At the moment the cross community working class cant find a common denominator (other than the immigration question), and it's capitalism's fault.

Id argue that you need to struggle for both simultaneously, as would James Connolly. The national and class struggle are so intertwined in Ireland that to seperate them is to seperate the working people from the working class struggle. It will, and has ended in failure.

[pastradamus]

i'd argue you need socialism to end partition.

At the moment the cross community working class cant find a common denominator (other than the immigration question), and it's capitalism's fault.

I absolutely agree. I feel Socialist ideals are the key to breaking down the Current sectarian barriers and ending partition. It will take time, years , decades maybe but it will be worth it.

[redflag32]

I absolutely agree. I feel Socialist ideals are the key to breaking down the Current sectarian barriers and ending partition. It will take time, years , decades maybe but it will be worth it.

The problem with that in the 6 counties is that you have a reactionary class who identify with right wing ideology. Any time the left have tried to make ground this reactionary class have smashed it. Socialist ideals are as dangerous to the unionist class as republican ones.

[pastradamus]

The problem with that in the 6 counties is that you have a reactionary class who identify with right wing ideology. Any time the left have tried to make ground this reactionary class have smashed it. Socialist ideals are as dangerous to the unionist class as republican ones.

This is why barriers must be built and this is why we must work against both the Unionist and Republicans who get in the way of socialism. There's always a way of Controling area's through community actions which BTW the Unionist and Republicans groups like sinn fein in the North do sweet fuck all of. So on this level socialist activism can come up tops.

[PRC-UTE]

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[punisa]

Just looking at some examples of Succesful communist powers like Cuba and was wondering would Ireland be able to adopt the Ideology of Communism and place a sole leader in charge of Ireland. Would Irish people embrace communism or reject it in all its manifestations. And if so why?


And is it a viable option to the Irish citizens to call for the Nationalisation of all Irish resources to battle the economic fall.

Irish people? Hmm, don't know much about them. But from what I heard they are very similar to Croats, or so many people tell me. I guess because both being very very chatolic.

And you know that chatolicism and socialism .. ahm, not an easy blend my comrade.

I've read that Ireland flourished with economic success for the better part of this decade, correct? Of course, "success" for whom..
Do you have any strong leftiest organizations?

I think people will revolt all over Europe as soon as this fall, but if these protests don't have a red banner waving.. then its pure waste of time.

[Seven Stars]

Id argue that you need to struggle for both simultaneously, as would James Connolly. The national and class struggle are so intertwined in Ireland that to seperate them is to seperate the working people from the working class struggle. It will, and has ended in failure.

Exactly, well said. You can not separate the struggle for national liberation from the class struggle and vice versa.

[mister max]

Irish people? Hmm, don't know much about them. But from what I heard they are very similar to Croats, or so many people tell me. I guess because both being very very chatolic.


I dont think that there is a Croat or Irish "nature".Or any-nation nature.


Currently, no it would not work. You can't have socialism while their is still partition.

ehm, well, it will be very easy then. I mean to have a revolution when there is not any partition.