Havet
22nd July 2009, 12:21
This was made as a request by Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor.
Here's how I see it people who wish to be unrestricted should proceed:
1) MAKE SURE you read this first (http://www.revleft.com/vb/read-first-t60522/index.html). Basically, THERE'S A REASON why people get restricted. The forum was made to discuss leftist ideas, and without some sort of restriction then every thread on every forum would quickly become a discussion between right-wingers, primitivists, other OI and everyone else. This is why there is a special place for you to discuss OI specifically. So that said, never leave OI as a posting place unless you are absolutely sure you are not considered a right-winger or if you are, until you are properly restricted. If then you wish to proceed towards unrestriction, after having read this guide, DO IT HERE (http://www.revleft.com/vb/unfair-restrictions-iii-t108979/index.html).
2)Introduce yourself here (http://www.revleft.com/vb/inmate-39-s-t60521/index.html). Don't give out too much information, but talk about your ideas on politics and such so people can already expect something from you when you post.
3) Leave your preconceived ideas before you start discussing anything. This means reading about what people actually said and did (http://www.revleft.com/vb/revolutionaryleft-39-s-t18572/index.html) and not wasting time debating semantics. (http://www.revleft.com/vb/revolutionaryleft-dictionary-t18401/index.html) Start at the lowest level. Discuss terms like freedom (positive and negative), rights, private property, the state, anarchy, capitalism, socialism, communism and seek to understand what meaning people attribute to them. There is no point in holding your definition against the world, and since everyone is here to discuss things, well, the more easily this discussion can happen, the better, no?
4) Also, the obvious. Try not to commit any logical fallacies. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_fallacies) Personal attacks are also useless and intellectually dishonest. Remember, the point is to peacefully debate subjects, and if you wish to become unrestricted, you need to understand what errors in your thinking have made you become branded as a right-winger, or with OI views. This being said, non-OI is not a very strict place, it is a very wide umbrella of different opinions. But there happen to be some opinions members here don't tolerate, so respect them and ask yourself if your own opinion is right or not and why.
5) So what is the criteria for becoming restricted? There are two sort of criteria, from what I could tell. First there is worker/economic intolerance. This means NOT understanding that exploitation is currently taking place, and believing there ain't no such thing as a ruling class. Workers simply have very few options besides working for an employer. And this of course gives employers a lot of power they otherwise wouldn't have.
Then there's the individual intolerance. This is basically intolerance of other lifestyles and personal choices. This is why racism is not tolerated, sexism is not tolerated, anti-abortion is not tolerated, anti-homosexuality is not tolerated, and a numerous of other lifestyle intolerance. Religion is tolerated, although you will find most people here don't believe or are not particularly fond of any religion. But if you can manage to separate religion from other subjects, then you, as many other CC members, can still believe in religion and be consistent in your other opinions.
So there you have it. If anyone wishes to add something please do so by posting ideas, corrections, etc.
Does the fact that I am restricted hurts my credibility? Sure, but remember, unrestriction takes time, and it is not always certain.
Here's how I see it people who wish to be unrestricted should proceed:
1) MAKE SURE you read this first (http://www.revleft.com/vb/read-first-t60522/index.html). Basically, THERE'S A REASON why people get restricted. The forum was made to discuss leftist ideas, and without some sort of restriction then every thread on every forum would quickly become a discussion between right-wingers, primitivists, other OI and everyone else. This is why there is a special place for you to discuss OI specifically. So that said, never leave OI as a posting place unless you are absolutely sure you are not considered a right-winger or if you are, until you are properly restricted. If then you wish to proceed towards unrestriction, after having read this guide, DO IT HERE (http://www.revleft.com/vb/unfair-restrictions-iii-t108979/index.html).
2)Introduce yourself here (http://www.revleft.com/vb/inmate-39-s-t60521/index.html). Don't give out too much information, but talk about your ideas on politics and such so people can already expect something from you when you post.
3) Leave your preconceived ideas before you start discussing anything. This means reading about what people actually said and did (http://www.revleft.com/vb/revolutionaryleft-39-s-t18572/index.html) and not wasting time debating semantics. (http://www.revleft.com/vb/revolutionaryleft-dictionary-t18401/index.html) Start at the lowest level. Discuss terms like freedom (positive and negative), rights, private property, the state, anarchy, capitalism, socialism, communism and seek to understand what meaning people attribute to them. There is no point in holding your definition against the world, and since everyone is here to discuss things, well, the more easily this discussion can happen, the better, no?
4) Also, the obvious. Try not to commit any logical fallacies. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_fallacies) Personal attacks are also useless and intellectually dishonest. Remember, the point is to peacefully debate subjects, and if you wish to become unrestricted, you need to understand what errors in your thinking have made you become branded as a right-winger, or with OI views. This being said, non-OI is not a very strict place, it is a very wide umbrella of different opinions. But there happen to be some opinions members here don't tolerate, so respect them and ask yourself if your own opinion is right or not and why.
5) So what is the criteria for becoming restricted? There are two sort of criteria, from what I could tell. First there is worker/economic intolerance. This means NOT understanding that exploitation is currently taking place, and believing there ain't no such thing as a ruling class. Workers simply have very few options besides working for an employer. And this of course gives employers a lot of power they otherwise wouldn't have.
Then there's the individual intolerance. This is basically intolerance of other lifestyles and personal choices. This is why racism is not tolerated, sexism is not tolerated, anti-abortion is not tolerated, anti-homosexuality is not tolerated, and a numerous of other lifestyle intolerance. Religion is tolerated, although you will find most people here don't believe or are not particularly fond of any religion. But if you can manage to separate religion from other subjects, then you, as many other CC members, can still believe in religion and be consistent in your other opinions.
So there you have it. If anyone wishes to add something please do so by posting ideas, corrections, etc.
Does the fact that I am restricted hurts my credibility? Sure, but remember, unrestriction takes time, and it is not always certain.