Was Nirvana really as great as they are made out to be ?

[TheFutureOfThePublic]

Nirvana wer far from the most talented grunge band playing wise but if they didnt have Cobains writing skills then they would have died with grunge.And all the stuff about grunge killing metal.How many grunge bands are around and get cared about nowadays.How many metal bands are around and are cared about

[TheFutureOfThePublic]

Was Nirvana really the best grunge band.Or just a band that lived and died on one good album

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Personally, I think Nirvana sucked.
Of course, there is no objective view on musical taste.

[h0m0revolutionary]

Nirvana were not just as good as the hype, they're better. And much unlike good looks, they get better with age.

Hail Kurt =D

[gorillafuck]

Mudhoney > Nirvana

[New Tet]

Was Nirvana really the best grunge band.Or just a band that lived and died on one good album

I don't know the answer to that question but I know what I like and I like Nirvana.

Curt Cobain songs are good.

[Led Zeppelin]

Was Nirvana really the best grunge band.Or just a band that lived and died on one good album

Probably not the best grunge band (Pearl Jam, Temple of the Dog, Alice In Chains and Soundgarden are just as close to that title) but still a pretty good one.

Nevermind is a good album, but so is In Utero, and to be honest, so is Bleach.

[gorillafuck]

Incesticide is my favorite album by them.

Molly's Lips is a damn catchy song.

[Albert Wesker]

Was Nirvana really the best grunge band.Or just a band that lived and died on one good album

I don't think they were the best grunge band. At the same time, a lot of the criticism they attracted was undeserved, IMO.

Nevermind certainly wasn't their only good album.

[JimmyJazz]

They're so overplayed they make the Beatles seem like indie rock. Yeah, they were good, but at this point I would be happy if every existing copy of their music was gathered in one place and nuked.

[LOLseph Stalin]

I say Nirvana is way over-rated. I really only like one song by them, Heart-Shaped Box.

[RedCommieBear]

Nirvana's style wasn't nearly as grungy as people pretended they were. They were really influenced by a lot of indie pop and whatnot (Kurt was a huge fan of the Vaselines and Beat Happening). I once read somewhere that some critic said Alice in Chains make Nirvana look like the Beach Boys, and that's true, but that's also why I like Nirvana more.

[Pirate Utopian]

Some songs are okayish but atleast they're not Pearl Jam.

[LOLseph Stalin]

Pearl Jam is terrible.

[Agrippa]

Nirvana is great. I am also a fan of Soundgarden and Alice in Chains but neither are as good...

I think all the imitators are terrible, but then again, they always are.

[fiddlesticks]

Nirvana is good but they are not the best, though in my opinion there is no best with music..

[JimmyJazz]

Soundgarden

yes.

[LeninKobaMao]

Nirvana are shit boring in my opinion and you get a lot of idiots trying to do covers of their music like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8jg5pjvwjw

[Skin_HeadBanger]

I've said it before and I'll say it again... Nirvana sucks, we're better off with that overrated 4 chord fuck in the ground.

I'm done here, too many other threads exactly like this one.

[Led Zeppelin]

Just gonna say that Pearl Jam's first album Ten was a masterpiece.

[Skin_HeadBanger]

I love grunge, but Nirvana was definitely not the best grunge band. I'd pick early Pearl Jam or even Soundgarden over them any day.

True dat. Alice in Chains, too.

[Agrippa]

How can anyone with a right mind take Pearl Jam over Nirvana?

Compare the obvious social relevance of Nirvana's lyrics (with their most commercially successful song, Smells Like Teen Spirit, calling for anarchist insurrection) to the total social irrelevance of Pearl Jam's lyrics.

Hell, even compare the two band-names. :lol:

[Janine Melnitz]

(with their most commercially successful song, Smells Like Teen Spirit, calling for anarchist insurrection)
lol

Anyway grunge was stupid and I like Kurt best

[Hit The North]

Imo, Nevermind is one of the best American albums of the 1990s.

And Kurt was sexy.

[Led Zeppelin]

How can anyone with a right mind take Pearl Jam over Nirvana?

As a note, I wrote that about two years ago when I was really into Pearl Jam.

This is my current view:


Probably not the best grunge band [referring to Nirvana] (Pearl Jam, Temple of the Dog, Alice In Chains and Soundgarden are just as close to that title) but still a pretty good one.

[TheFutureOfThePublic]

How can anyone with a right mind take Pearl Jam over Nirvana?

Compare the obvious social relevance of Nirvana's lyrics (with their most commercially successful song, Smells Like Teen Spirit, calling for anarchist insurrection) to the total social irrelevance of Pearl Jam's lyrics.

Hell, even compare the two band-names. :lol:


Anarchism "a mulatto,an albino,a mosquito,my libido" nah not anarchism,just random lyrics

[Hit The North]

How can it call for anarchist insurrection if its being whored by Mtv to 10 yr old girls

Why would the medium determine the message?

[Bright Banana Beard]

I found them not to be my taste. In order word, I tried to listen to them and my stomach clinched. I just don't like them, sorry.

[RedCommieBear]

How can it call for anarchist insurrection if its being whored by Mtv to 10 yr old girls

Really, who knows what it's actually about. I've read that the song can be interpreted sarcastically as well. He did put some thought into them (his journals contain a few drafts). But as far as the MTV thing goes, you shouldn't punish a band for being able to write a catchy melody. Fetishizing the obscure for it's apparent authenticity is a mistake.

(Yes, a lot, maybe most of what's popular is crap. But I'll stand by my statement nonetheless.)

[TheFutureOfThePublic]

Really, who knows what it's actually about. I've read that the song can be interpreted sarcastically as well. He did put some thought into them (his journals contain a few drafts). But as far as the MTV thing goes, you shouldn't punish a band for being able to write a catchy melody. Fetishizing the obscure for it's apparent authenticity is a mistake.

(Yes, a lot, maybe most of what's popular is crap. But I'll stand by my statement nonetheless.)

Im not blaming them.Im blaming mtv

[RedCommieBear]

Im not blaming them.Im blaming mtv

All right, cool. :cool: I might've jumped the gun a little bit, but I just get really annoyed by indie people who automatically deride anything listened to by more than a 200 people. Sorry if I misinterpreted you.

[Agrippa]

lol

I'm serious. The song was written about the subject of anarchism, whch he was introduced to by Kathleen Hanna of Bikini Kill. (whose drummer he was sleeping with)

And Tupac got a lot of publicity from the mass-media too, but he was still a brilliant, socially relevant musician. 95% of the music we all listen to, we never would have heard were it not for capitalist mass-communication.

[Janine Melnitz]

Dude: unassisted, nobody could ever make out the lyrics, which in any case are ah "oblique" let's say. Kurt may have had anarchist insurrection in mind when he wrote them, but the song itself wasn't "calling for" anything at all

[gorillafuck]

I thought he just wrote down random words for Smells Like Teen Spirit.

(If I cared whether artists I listened to sang random lyrics that hardly mean anything, I wouldn't be listening to Flipper right now)

[Skin_HeadBanger]

How can anyone with a right mind take Pearl Jam over Nirvana?

Compare the obvious social relevance of Nirvana's lyrics (with their most commercially successful song, Smells Like Teen Spirit, calling for anarchist insurrection) to the total social irrelevance of Pearl Jam's lyrics.

Hell, even compare the two band-names. :lol:

And the song was to MAKE MONEY. He was selling rebellion and that's bullshit. Really anarcho of Kurt demanding 98% of the band's income.

If I want songs of anarchist insurrection, I'll listen to anarchopunk and anarchist grindcore, not some douche that's the poster boy for '90s teenage angst.

Also, Pearl Jam refers to a hallucinogenic jam that one of the members's grandmother made.

[punisa]

For me Nirvana was always image, not music. I remeber kids idolize Kurt and mumble some crap about "life sucks" and similar nonsense :laugh:

Man, I tried and tried to really love that band. Cause I wanted to give them the respect they desrved in holding crap pop at bay for at least a few more years. But I failed, over n over again.
I'm very into deep lyrics and I just couldn't find any with Nirvana.
And the music... dreadful.
I ain't getting high on well tuned orchestra, I love when bands play with heart despites they actually can't play shit - for example Sex Pistols = awful musicians - awesome band ! :)

Funny cause I really liked some other grunge bands, especially Soundgarden. Although I always considered Soundgarden to be more on the hard hard rock side.

[punisa]

NN75im_us4k

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLL :laugh:
Now that's some kick ass music :lol:

[leveller]

I thought the thrash metal and even the hair metal of the late 80s was far superior to the whole whiney depressing grunge era

[Axle]

I kind of liked Nirvana when I was fourteen. By the time I was fifteen, I had found better music and moved on.

Nirvana was nothing but whiny, substanceless teen-angst smeared with hype.

[Invader Zim]

Nirvana were, and remain, the most over-rated band that has probably ever existed. They made one half decent album and a few poor-mediocre ones. As far as I can tell, the only reason they were, and remain, so lauded was because they were a well needed breath of fresh air in the popular music scene of that time.

[The Situationist]

Not sure if they're overrated, but it never hurts ones legacy to die young.

It freezes you in time and encapsulates you as a symbol of youth.

[BabylonHoruv]

Nirvana wer far from the most talented grunge band playing wise but if they didnt have Cobains writing skills then they would have died with grunge.And all the stuff about grunge killing metal.How many grunge bands are around and get cared about nowadays.How many metal bands are around and are cared about


Cobain was an abusive junkie asshole and although he was a talented performer Nirvana is not really all that exciting musically.

[kharacter]

And the song was to MAKE MONEY. He was selling rebellion and that's bullshit. Really anarcho of Kurt demanding 98% of the band's income.

If I want songs of anarchist insurrection, I'll listen to anarchopunk and anarchist grindcore, not some douche that's the poster boy for '90s teenage angst.

Also, Pearl Jam refers to a hallucinogenic jam that one of the members's grandmother made.
I wish there was more of it. I love grindcore but the closest thing I know to anarchist is Phobia, and I was disappointed by their latest album. Do you have any suggestions?

Also, I don't think Nirvana did anything to metal, or good metal at least. Extreme metal (death metal and such) kept getting bigger through the nineties. I am in no way trying to keep Nirvana away from criticism by the way, especially when their bassist supported Ron Paul.

[SoupIsGoodFood]

No.