Reactionary Chatter V

[Sentinel]

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[RedAnarchist]

I'll let you get on with it.

[Jack]

First post, is this win?

Oh, and fucking unrestrict me.

[F9]

First post, is this win?

Oh, and fucking unrestrict me.

No that a fail, not a win.
Oh, and we wont fucking unrestrict you

[Jack]

Why the fuck not?

[danyboy27]

has i was saying, i dont mind debates and people winning arguments against the folks in the OI, but i dont see the point of insults and personnal attacks toward us.

2 great posts

Foremost? I don't know if OI can compete with the Mises or Rand institute.

However OI does have it's overwhelming share of total fools.


I swear, OI seems to be the foremost place on the net to find the weirdest kinds of idealism and nonsensical babble by people trying way too hard to comment on all sorts of ideological issues while still coming off as apolitical, condescending nuts.

[Misanthrope]

Capitalism lol

[Bud Struggle]

has i was saying, i dont mind debates and people winning arguments against the folks in the OI, but i dont see the point of insults and personnal attacks toward us.

2 great posts

Dany, you always win the argument with people who post like this when you're polite in return. ;)

[Jack]

Everyone should play Balance of Power: diplomacy.vlexo.net

Ismail used to play, until he went batshit insane and couped the forum because he thought there was going to be an attack on it by a mysterious owner of another BoP forum named Sonny. But it's back now, current game started in 1946.

[Jack]

http://i29.tinypic.com/o5bcco.png

[Jack]

http://i27.tinypic.com/ogc8cz.gif

[RedAnarchist]

Wasn't that already posted in the last Reactionary Chatter thread?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Well, I know I posted it in another thread.

[Havet]

http://msp306.photobucket.com/albums/nn250/paawkx/Bush_eating_cat.jpg

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/9721/freedomc.jpg

http://images.indymedia.org/imc/richmond/image/2/che_enjoying_coke.jpg

The Coke side of Life...

[Havet]

http://www.thismodernworld.org/arc/TAP/01-libertarian.jpg

:lol:

[Havet]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_azimCSzqNnc/SekJ3NOGBfI/AAAAAAAABDM/nP1lVI8fUrs/s400/libertarian-limit.gif

[Jack]

http://disc.420chan.org/pol/src/1248147382703.jpg

[Havet]

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/2/14/633701797612311510-dualpartysystem.jpg



http://standupforamerica.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/democracy_will_come_to_you.jpg

http://www.northernsun.com/images/thumb/0383.jpg

[Bright Banana Beard]

You see, I am once a angry loser rebel kid. Maybe I was not, maybe I was. but who know?

[danyboy27]

looking for some civ4 player, i am not a pro, but i am looking to have a blast on huuge map and forming political alliances, plus if i can make a fews gaming friend, it would be nice.

[Jack]

looking for some civ4 player, i am not a pro, but i am looking to have a blast on huuge map and forming political alliances, plus if i can make a fews gaming friend, it would be nice.

Howdy.....

I lost my disk, it's within 5 feet of me, but my room is a shithole.

[danyboy27]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R32QxX1Iq70&feature=topvideos

awsomeness

[ThorsMitersaw]

random nonsense then? Well then does anyone know if Pho is difficult to prepare?

[Jack]

My signature is from this song, if anyone was wondering:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBrzEVJwYFg

[Jack]

I just changed it, so this is what my current one is from:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U1UN4P9Mnw

[Pogue]

i'm in ur chit chatz









not bein restricted

[Jack]

Unrestrict me goddamnit! I'll s your d!

[Pogue]

Unrestrict me goddamnit! I'll s your d!

in the words of makhno

'fuck off you reactionary ****'

[Bud Struggle]

in the words of makhno

'fuck off you reactionary ****'

Chavian Chat.

[danyboy27]

in the words of makhno

'fuck off you reactionary ****'

that wasnt necessary, i am pretty sure there are more polite ways to say it.

[Bud Struggle]

that wasnt necessary, i am pretty sure there are more polite ways to say it.

He's a bit drunk.

[danyboy27]

hey guy we lost another soldier

EvigLidelse have been unristriced.

[Dean]

That's right baby

[danyboy27]

warm welcome to our newcomers, agrippa and S.O.I.

[Jack]

How the hell did Agrippa end up in here?

[danyboy27]

How the hell did Agrippa end up in here?

according to the cc he is a primitivist.

but hey, who care? i love thr 1800s

[Bud Struggle]

hey guy we lost another soldier

EvigLidelse have been unristriced.

Not on your case EvigLidelse and I'm glad you are unrestricted but I though you were coming from the more Anarcho-Capitalist point of view.

I must be way off base.

Anyways, Congrats.

[ThorsMitersaw]

thismodernworld.org/arc/TAP/01-libertarian.jpg

:lol:

i hate this one

[ThorsMitersaw]

wow these are the most straw man filled comics I have ever seen

[Kronos]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjQ3fpSp5sA

Fusion is alive and well and being played in someone's living room. He who hath ears let him hear.

(This guy Alex is like a computer)

[Bud Struggle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjQ3fpSp5sA

Fusion is alive and well and being played in someone's living room. He who hath ears let him hear.

(This guy Alex is like a computer)

Actually, pretty good stuff. :thumbup:

[Edit] on second (and third) listen--really brilliant. Thank's Kronos--muchly enjoyed!

[Jack]

wow these are the most straw man filled comics I have ever seen

Fuck off and giggle a little you uptight ****.

[Kronos]

Yeah a friend just introduced me to that trio recently. Glad you liked it.

Want to hear some phenomenal percussion?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln6b_nBM-V8

This is the goods, Bud. Dueling masters. Weckl is a contract studio musician, Gadd a senior jazz drummer who has played with several bands, and Colaiuta started with Zappa decades ago...played with other bands since.

So, who's the best?

(Of course Vinnie is my favorite)

Watch Vinnie at 5:15. Really him and Weckl are trying to match each other....but Gadd is in the middle. You see Vinnie do the same fill but faster than Weckl. What's impressive is that they can identify precisely what the other is doing by hearing it...and then reproduce the exact same strokes.

[Kronos]

While on the "Broadway the Hard Way" tour, Frank meets Sting, who had come to watch the show, in the lobby, and invites him on stage with the band to sing "Murder by Numbers". Sting comments briefly on that idiot Jimmy Swaggart, who had said the song was written BY SATAN!!!!

http://www.supload.com/listen?s=INUZ3i#

"Mr. Sting"

[ laughing ]

[Bud Struggle]

Here's a solo that my daughter has on the cello with her city youth philharmonic. My daughter's much cuter but not quite the virtuoso on cello that old Wolfgang is. Brhams Symphony #2, 2nd movement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASAvGcGJeFQ


One of the BEST pieces of romantic music ever written. No individual part makes any sense when played alone--but together--it's brilliant.

[danyboy27]

welcome to our new restricted friend, zerozerozerominusone.

[Kronos]

Here's one for the hippies among you I made a while back.

http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=eg7cyc&s=3

Peace, brothers and sisters.

[Kronos]

Don't worry, hippies. All the metal meatheads, bubble gum pop rockers and middle age easy listeners are laughing it up right now....but I got one for them, too:

http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=23rodwj&s=3

[danyboy27]

Don't worry, hippies. All the metal meatheads, bubble gum pop rockers and middle age easy listeners are laughing it up right now....but I got one for them, too:

http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=23rodwj&s=3

your obsession for sappa is disturbing + you got a 666 post

[Jack]

So I'm planning on getting Hearts of Iron 3 when it comes out, can anyone who has played any of the HOI games tell me if they're a good buy?

[danyboy27]

So I'm planning on getting Hearts of Iron 3 when it comes out, can anyone who has played any of the HOI games tell me if they're a good buy?

seriously its really slow paced, slower than civilisation. its not turn based, its just take a while to get started.

also, you need to be fucking organized, when you play russia with 430 division all over the map its fucking confusing.

you have to take in consideration your doctrine, your technology, the number, its really really complicated and a game can last a fews weeks if you take your time. you have to be extremely patient, but at the end you reap the benefits of all this patience. i know a guy who succesfully invaded the us with brasil, but it took him like 2 month, it was priceless tho. after that he attacked russia with air cavalry and other nasty shit, it was a complete blast.

so yea, its a really great game. my invasion of cuba with canada was one of the funniest move i did.

[Jack]

That sounds like exactly what I'm looking for....

I wish Civilization was more detailed when it came to politics, economics, and internal affairs. It seems to just be "select one of five ideologies for X category", and "build X in Y city", nothing too complicated.

[Jack]

Also, what's a good starting country? I was thinking either Japan, Nationalist China, or one of the Spains.

[danyboy27]

Also, what's a good starting country? I was thinking either Japan, Nationalist China, or one of the Spains.
for your first question:

well, its detailled on the political and military aspect, but a lot less detailled in term of city management. you dont have to worry for the health of your city, or to build wonder, you can focus on building military infrastructures and units.
it cool beccause the political aspect greatly affect the game style, for exemple, if you go to central planned economy you will generate less money but more unit.

well, japan good but its too much micromanagement for me, a good way to start is to use middle sized country like venezuela or columbia. after that you can play big powerhouses like japan or the us. the real challenge is to use small countries like afghanistan or iran, and make something significant out of it.

another thing i liked with heart of iron is that you can liberate certain portion of a territory and create a country. for exemple you can take over some brittish middle east territory and create palestine, israel, syria etc etc.

i love also the fact that some countries will appear out of random in a game, scenario are never the same, once i played the game and the nazi annexed iraq...and for some random reason they liberated france. sometimes Syria and lebannon declare their independence from the brittish empire.

[#FF0000]

i love also the fact that some countries will appear out of random in a game, scenario are never the same, once i played the game and the nazi annexed iraq...and for some random reason they liberated france. sometimes Syria and lebannon declare their independence from the brittish empire.

Yeah the entire line of Paradox games (Crusader Kings, Victoria, HOI...etc) is really great with the alternative history thing. If you start with CK, you can import your old save game to the next game in the series (Britannia Universalis, I think?), and then when you finish that, you move on to the next game and import your save file from that, all the way up to HOI.

Oh god and then the mods available. There are so many different ways to fuck up history that it is amazing.

[danyboy27]

Yeah the entire line of Paradox games (Crusader Kings, Victoria, HOI...etc) is really great with the alternative history thing. If you start with CK, you can import your old save game to the next game in the series (Britannia Universalis, I think?), and then when you finish that, you move on to the next game and import your save file from that, all the way up to HOI.

Oh god and then the mods available. There are so many different ways to fuck up history that it is amazing.

my favorite one was with yougoslavia. i invaded albania, my independence weas guaranteed by germany and albania independence by italy. next thing you know, in 1936 italy declar war to me, then germany delcare war to italy, i invade 2 province in italy, germany keep it busy, the russian get apeshit and start anexing all small countries around itself.

i made my small coalition with greece bulgaria and romania, but in like 2 month i have shuitload of duvision crushing my coalition, me included.

short game but a hell of a joke.

[danyboy27]

a warm welcome to our new restricted member, ReturningLiberty.

[Ele'ill]

I was going to list myself as a famous leftist who would have been restricted in the 'famous leftists who would have been restricted' thread but the thread got closed. :(


















(it would have been really funny)

[Ele'ill]

Wait.







What is this feeling that I'm feeling?

[Ele'ill]

OFEtWICyW1w

[Bud Struggle]

So my 12 year old started a bread company. She bakes bread for us at home-but she'll be doing it fort the local town farmer's marke now. If she get's a grade below "C" she'll be out of business.

Five different breads. She will also do weekday offerings and occasional specials. We have an interesting trifold and the website is going to be "J Petermanesque." (X was walking throught the heaths of Hardy's Wessex and decided to go into a pub of a dram and a slice--there she ran into the most interesting English soda bread---)

Then a picture of my 12 yo with some bread in her hand.

She'll be an independant millionare before she 15.

Easy. ;)

She got off up her butt and worked.

[Pogue]

So my 12 year old started a bread company. She bakes bread for us at home-but she'll be doing it fort the local town farmer's marke now. If she get's a grade below "C" she'll be out of business.

Five different breads. She will also do weekday offerings and occasional specials. We have an interesting trifold and the website is going to be "J Petermanesque." (X was walking throught the heaths of Hardy's Wessex and decided to go into a pub of a dram and a slice--there she ran into the most interesting English soda bread---)

Then a picture of my 12 yo with some bread in her hand.

She'll be an independant millionare before she 15.

Easy. ;)

She got off up her butt and worked.

My friend was sent to nursery school from a young age. His mum was a school dinner lady and his dad worked in the local refinery. They'd been doing such work for most of their lives. They helped him with his reading and writing from a young age despite working pretty much all the hours you could. He was quite a bright student. He went on to a typical comprehensive, not particulaly stunning, but not one of the worst. He never got a detention once. He used to do all his homework and even set up a few clubs at the school during his time there, such as the debating club. He did his GCSEs and came out really well - passed them all with a couple of A*s in English literature and also History. That was like a record for the school.

When he was deciding what to do at A level (it wasn't called that then, he is older than me and was at school before curriculum 2000 was introduced) there was a numbe rof job cuts at the refinery. It was fought by the workforce but ultimately his dad lost his job of 30 years. His dad got depressed as a result of this as he lived in quite an economically deprived area and became unwell. This put a strain on his mum. Obviously money stopped coming in. You wouldn't understand what this means to a working class family.

My friend thus had to help out at home more, as he had 2 younger siblings and his dad was finding it really tough. As a result he dedicated less time to his studies and what was looking like a promising future (despite the problems associated with going university back then which still isn't perfect today) was effectively cut short by his material circumstances. He had to start getting work in the area, in a supermarket at the time. At the moment he is working in a pretty solid but not fantastically paying job as an day labourer. Obviously there are problems with that whole sector at the moment. His mum still works I believe, minimum wage, despite being in her late 60s.

Am I meant to believe, Bud Struggle, that my friend didn't 'Get off his arse and work' despite the fact he was a brilliant student in an inadequate education system despite all the pressures piled up against working class kids in the world? Am I really meant to listen to your wonderful story of your brave little girl who is living the American dream at a young age? Wow, so a middle class girl is using her position of privilige to pursue some venture financned by her rich, bourgeois parents. Someone stop the fucking press, aren't the middle class wonderful. If you want, I could email AFed and Class War and we could have the frontpages saying 'WE WERE WRONG - ONE MIDDLE CLASS GIRL WORKED AND GOT THE WONDERFUL REWARDS THE SYSTEM OFFERS TO US'. I could do that if you want Bud.

There are countless examples of people like my mate who have effectively had their futures totally destroyed by material circumstance. If you compare him to say, the average child in the barrios of Latin America or the slums of Nigeria he has it lucky, which isn't saying much when your being compared to children who effectively drink shit water. You know that literally thousands of people die everyday from curable diseases right? I wonder how many of them got off their arses and worked. I think you'll find the children who work 16 hours a day in Adidas factories in East Asia work rpetty hard. The reality is they will probably die if they don't (if they don't die due to shitty working conditions first, that is).

So maybe perhaps before hitting us with the wonderful, inspiring story of 'middle class girl finds success because she worked hard' you should look at the reality of the world for people like my mate, people like me, basically, anyone not living in the isolated bubble of privilige you live in that is middle class, property owning Amerca, a very small clique of people. Perhaps you should learn to recognise the reason why you think everything is wonderful is because for you, it is. Because you are priviliged. Sadly, most of the world is not, mainly because of people like you. I think you should think about this before hitting us with your tripe, your very real bourgeois analysis, because its insulting and also very, very old to hear yet another rich, bubble wrapped person telling people like me the reality of my life, the reality of the world, as you so often do.

[Bud Struggle]

I know all that. My dad worked in a factory and was part of the the Rubber Workers of America a branch AFL-CIO he was on strike more then he ever worked. My mom worked as a waitress in my aunt's diner. I got accepted into Georgetown (an expensive hotshot American college) my brother and I (a year yournger than I) had to pay our own way. We started a printing company and did just that.

I'm the first one to say there are problems out there-but for the most part if you are healthy and have a bit of ambition you can overcome them. My 15 yo is a photographer (at $15 and hour) and hopes to be making money in a Bond-Escalaesque quartet very soon. (She plays piano and cello.)

I don't give my kids money--they make their own. They are going to pay their way--I have no doubt of that.

They are aggessive. And until the Revolution comes along it's a "get off your ass and work" world.

I honestly can't see how your think it's all so hard. (And I understand there's problems in third world countries.) But here in the first world--life and wealth is yours for the taking.

I'm not being a dick--I really believe that, and I see my kids doing just as I believe is possible.

And honestly--I don't know about your friend. There aren't avenues he didn't look down? Did he give up to easily? I don't know, but I do understand and feel for his problem.

When I did it or now as my kids are doing it--it does seem pretty easy. I may be missing something, but I think you are missing something, too.

Thanks for the post--I'll print it out and think about if for a while.

[Edit] Let me just say that this bakery thingie is the result of a tremendous amount of hard work by me my wife and the child in question. Same thing with my other daughter's photography (for e-bay) work and cello teaching (I'm critiquing my daughter's cello scales as I write this) an piano practice and all that goes into them. It's all a LOT OF WORK. The unsuccessful are really quite unaware of the tremendous amount of work that goes into being successful. NOTHING is easy. Pogue, if I do indeed learn something from you--please learn that from me.

[Conquer or Die]

There's personal anecdotes of Bud "the Catholic who believes in the death off the weak" Struggle's family and then there's the fact that 90% of all major wealth is inherited and that most of this wealth is situated at the top. There are also successful people who believe that being rich and working to death aren't the end all and be all of life.

But no, Bud Struggle has the great capitalist family anecdote.

[Conquer or Die]

Oh, and Jack:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJg2KYVJfWg

I'm incredibly ignorant of east coast rap but Big L is clearly one of the best rappers ever, if not the best. Redman, in the above youtube post, displays a very brilliant lyrical style in combination with a ridiculous beat that I believe rivals the quality of Big L.

(It's a shame that Big L died. If he did work with Dr. Dre then it's almost indisputable that Big L would be the greatest rapper ever.)

[Pogue]

I know all that. My dad worked in a factory and was part of the the Rubber Workers of America a branch AFL-CIO he was on strike more then he ever worked. My mom worked as a waitress in my aunt's diner. I got accepted into Georgetown (an expensive hotshot American college) my brother and I (a year yournger than I) had to pay our own way. We started a printing company and did just that.

I'm the first one to say there are problems out there-but for the most part if you are healthy and have a bit of ambition you can overcome them. My 15 yo is a photographer (at $15 and hour) and hopes to be making money in a Bond-Escalaesque quartet very soon. (She plays piano and cello.)

I don't give my kids money--they make their own. They are going to pay their way--I have no doubt of that.

They are aggessive. And until the Revolution comes along it's a "get off your ass and work" world.

I honestly can't see how your think it's all so hard. (And I understand there's problems in third world countries.) But here in the first world--life and wealth is yours for the taking.

I'm not being a dick--I really believe that, and I see my kids doing just as I believe is possible.

And honestly--I don't know about your friend. There aren't avenues he didn't look down? Did he give up to easily? I don't know, but I do understand and feel for his problem.

When I did it or now as my kids are doing it--it does seem pretty easy. I may be missing something, but I think you are missing something, too.

Thanks for the post--I'll print it out and think about if for a while.

[Edit] Let me just say that this bakery thingie is the result of a tremendous amount of hard work by me my wife and the child in question. Same thing with my other daughter's photography (for e-bay) work and cello teaching (I'm critiquing my daughter's cello scales as I write this) an piano practice and all that goes into them. It's all a LOT OF WORK. The unsuccessful are really quite unaware of the tremendous amount of work that goes into being successful. NOTHING is easy. Pogue, if I do indeed learn something from you--please learn that from me.

Come on Tom. You live in one of the wealthiest parts of the worlds wealthiest countries. You know fuck all about the outside world, you live in a bubble of privilige and thats why you post such shit. None of your empty rhetoric is going to convince me to the opposite of what my everyday reality is.

The reason your daughter can do all this is because you're part of the rich middle classes. That is all.

[RGacky3]

I honestly can't see how your think it's all so hard. (And I understand there's problems in third world countries.) But here in the first world--life and wealth is yours for the taking.

I'm not being a dick--I really believe that, and I see my kids doing just as I believe is possible.



You really believe that because your an idiot, and you know nothing about how the world works, all you know is your own experience and cannot imagen that anything could be different even though all evidence proves it is.

[danyboy27]

i suggest a part of this thread being merged into a new one. this have nothing to do with the regular chatter.

[Bud Struggle]

Come on Tom. You live in one of the wealthiest parts of the worlds wealthiest countries. You know fuck all about the outside world, you live in a bubble of privilige and thats why you post such shit. None of your empty rhetoric is going to convince me to the opposite of what my everyday reality is.

The reason your daughter can do all this is because you're part of the rich middle classes. That is all.

Oh, no question Florida is advantaged. But that's just where I happen to live. My parents were refugees from Poland and found prosperity in America. though so is London prosperious (where I believe you are from.) I make America advantaged for others and others make it advantaged for me. Things would indeed be different in the Congo or places similar. But everyone (or almost everyone) posting on RevLeft comes from places like I come from. We all have computers, we all have access to technology. We all can be as reasonably successful if we so choose.


There's personal anecdotes of Bud "the Catholic who believes in the death off the weak" Struggle's family and then there's the fact that 90% of all major wealth is inherited and that most of this wealth is situated at the top. There are also successful people who believe that being rich and working to death aren't the end all and be all of life.

But no, Bud Struggle has the great capitalist family anecdote.

Who cares who as the most money or inherited wealth? I certainly could care less. What I care about is how I can make money so that's what I do. What Bil Gates owns or the Rockefellers or any other rich guy is no concern to me. You are right though that working yourself to death isn't much fun, I'm not a big worker myself--but I see other's do it. Work should always be rewarding and enjoyable--it doesn't matter how hard you work as long as you are rewarded both financially and spititually.

And why do you think I believe in the Death of the Week?" Seems pretty grusome.


You really believe that because your an idiot, and you know nothing about how the world works, That of course may be true--but being an idiot definitely has it's financial advantages. :D In that reguard I hope my children become even bigger idiots than I am. ;)

[Conquer or Die]

Who cares who as the most money or inherited wealth? I certainly could care less. What I care about is how I can make money so that's what I do. What Bil Gates owns or the Rockefellers or any other rich guy is no concern to me. You are right though that working yourself to death isn't much fun, I'm not a big worker myself--but I see other's do it. Work should always be rewarding and enjoyable--it doesn't matter how hard you work as long as you are rewarded both financially and spititually.

Capitalism is not a system where everybody becomes a prince. It's a system where a select few by a number of factors rise to the top and hold it. You seem to think that there are no limits on resources or its distribution. This is false.


And why do you think I believe in the Death of the Week?" Seems pretty grusome.

You have stated that there is nothing wrong with the weak dying off. This is fundamentally opposed to Christian (and especially catholic) theology. Care to skirt the question more?

[Bud Struggle]

Capitalism is not a system where everybody becomes a prince. It's a system where a select few by a number of factors rise to the top and hold it. You seem to think that there are no limits on resources or its distribution. This is false. I think there are limits--but I don't think the human race has come even close to reaching them. And no not everyone can become a prince, but that's not everyone's goal in life either. I believe there should be compitition for the position of "prince" and let the best man win. On the other hand everyone should be able to afford a satisfactory standard of living and I do believe that is do-able in today's society--we have the resources.



You have stated that there is nothing wrong with the weak dying off. This is fundamentally opposed to Christian (and especially catholic) theology. Care to skirt the question more?

I don't believe I ever said such a thing--if I did I was gravely mistaken in my comments.

[Conquer or Die]

I think there are limits--but I don't think the human race has come even close to reaching them. And no not everyone can become a prince, but that's not everyone's goal in life either. I believe there should be compitition for the position of "prince" and let the best man win. On the other hand everyone should be able to afford a satisfactory standard of living and I do believe that is do-able in today's society--we have the resources.

Of course the "best" man must follow some ruleset to get to the top, correct? Which ruleset do you impose for the "best" man to get to the top and exactly why is he the "best?"

Ghengis Khan was the best man for his time, and maybe ever, no?

[Bud Struggle]

Of course the "best" man must follow some ruleset to get to the top, correct? Which ruleset do you impose for the "best" man to get to the top and exactly why is he the "best?"

Ghengis Khan was the best man for his time, and maybe ever, no?

Actually, a pretty good question. We have a decent system in the United States and in Europe (well MOST of Europe.) Our particular civilization does a good job keeping things reasonably fair. But I'll grant you that there isn't much difference between Ghengis Kahn and Robert Mogabie in the area of systematic ruthlessness.

All in all I think as more people get educated around the world a certain standard of political equality will begin to set in. It will take a while, but TV the radio and now the Internet will become a great leveler in the humane treatment of people.

[We're (the wife and children--I play the part of the kindly paterfamilias so I don't do any actual work) baking samples of breads in the kitchen that we might start selling. We're trying an Old English Date and Fig bread--dark moist with a heavy chewy whole wheat center. Might be good as a breakfast bread with homemade butter--but also might work well on the afternoon cheeseboard at tea time.]

[Jack]

Oh, and Jack:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJg2KYVJfWg

I'm incredibly ignorant of east coast rap but Big L is clearly one of the best rappers ever, if not the best. Redman, in the above youtube post, displays a very brilliant lyrical style in combination with a ridiculous beat that I believe rivals the quality of Big L.

(It's a shame that Big L died. If he did work with Dr. Dre then it's almost indisputable that Big L would be the greatest rapper ever.)

Definetly. However, if you listen to him frequently you'll see he uses the same punchlines in different songs (especially freestyles).

The Wu Tang crew are good too.

Oh, and:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjGVAA_EdL0

[Conquer or Die]

What did you think of the redman song?


Definetly. However, if you listen to him frequently you'll see he uses the same punchlines in different songs (especially freestyles).

Interesting, a favorite youtube view of myself and roommates was his freestyle with Jay Z where he completely demolishes. Most freestyle and battle rappers have this element for necessary reasons. Freestyle, and especially battle rapping is incredibly hard.

In his song "All Black" he uses a line something like "you get your dick wet you take a cold shower." While this might be a common slang in the rap world, this idea was used in 1992 by KMG the Illustrator in "G-Rupies best friend." Not that it means anything, and Big L used it differently than KMG.


The Wu Tang crew are good too.

Another area of rap where I'm hopelessly uneducated.


Oh, and:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjGVAA_EdL0

I like Lil Wayne.

[Conquer or Die]

Actually, a pretty good question. We have a decent system in the United States and in Europe (well MOST of Europe.) Our particular civilization does a good job keeping things reasonably fair. But I'll grant you that there isn't much difference between Ghengis Kahn and Robert Mogabie in the area of systematic ruthlessness.

All in all I think as more people get educated around the world a certain standard of political equality will begin to set in. It will take a while, but TV the radio and now the Internet will become a great leveler in the humane treatment of people.

There's a new book out that stresses the importance of IQ in the development of history. The author favors America split into four parts, three of them containing racial purity (split between whites, asians, and black/latino) and one multiracial part. The man has two PHDs and is a rocket scientist.

I still don't know who the "better" man is between Albert Einstein and the soldier killed on the beach of Normandy. And Albert Einstein was a socialist.

[RGacky3]

Our particular civilization does a good job keeping things reasonably fair.

based on what standards?


That of course may be true--but being an idiot definitely has it's financial advantages. :D In that reguard I hope my children become even bigger idiots than I am.

being smart of being an idiot when it comes to seeing the world the way it is and understanding power has nothing to do with whether or not you make a lot of money.


We all can be as reasonably successful if we so choose.

Thats not hte point of this website, its not about individual wealth.


I don't believe I ever said such a thing--if I did I was gravely mistaken in my comments.

Not specifically but you've said things that pretty much mean the exact same thing.

[Jack]

What did you think of the redman song?



Interesting, a favorite youtube view of myself and roommates was his freestyle with Jay Z where he completely demolishes. Most freestyle and battle rappers have this element for necessary reasons. Freestyle, and especially battle rapping is incredibly hard.

In his song "All Black" he uses a line something like "you get your dick wet you take a cold shower." While this might be a common slang in the rap world, this idea was used in 1992 by KMG the Illustrator in "G-Rupies best friend." Not that it means anything, and Big L used it differently than KMG.

I take it you're talking about this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYfKMIdoJL0 (95 free style/7 minute freestyle)

An example of him recycling rhymes is in this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcXlnuSlS84 a freestyle from 93 (before he released any albums). It seems like he wrote down good one liners and put them in songs later.





I like Lil Wayne.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1aAz3mNyic

[LOLseph Stalin]

One more reason for all you OI's to come over to our side:

http://mklasing.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/motivaional_communism.jpeg

Not to mention, there's free booze too at this party! :lol:

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Ten quid says its special brew though.

[kalu]

One more reason for all you OI's to come over to our side:

http://mklasing.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/motivaional_communism.jpeg

Not to mention, there's free booze too at this party! :lol:

I love that picture, Marx with the lampshade is classic.:laugh:

[LOLseph Stalin]

I love that picture, Marx with the lampshade is classic.:laugh:

Yep. I had it as my computer wallpaper for awhile until my reactionary dad began to question it.

[Havet]

Yep. I had it as my computer wallpaper for awhile until my reactionary dad began to question it.

Isn't that picture supposedly conflating the word communism with state capitalist dictators like fidel, stalin and mao tse tung, that some people here talk of as why cuba, ussr and china are effective misrepresentations of the communist goal? Seems that diffusing that picture would only confuse normal people more.

[Jazzratt]

I see that nothing has improved during my short time deprived of internet access. Not that this is a bad thing, I have no idea what I'd do if this place ever became..gasp...better.

[Bud Struggle]

I see that nothing has improved during my short time deprived of internet access. Not that this is a bad thing, I have no idea what I'd do if this place ever became..gasp...better.


More dancing!

Glad you're back.

Write a book. :)

[Jazzratt]

Flogging Molly - Don't Let Me Die Stil Wandering is a fucking epic song.

[Jazzratt]

Write a book. :)

I lack both plot and subject. I know you've mentioned this but you and/or robert can PM me on this. Or meet me in NYC or DC come december.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Well, that really is not the best time of year, though you may be used to the cold. DC is a bit ugly in the winter, in my opinion. I've been there in January, and a few months later it looked sompletely different with the trees blossoming.

One thing though, you won't have to deal with as many fucking stupid tourists. Tourists, like yourself or myself, don't bother me, but stupid whiny tourists irk me like nothing else.

(Obviously I don't know if you've already been, forgive me if I'm preaching to the choir)

[Jazzratt]

Well, that really is not the best time of year, though you may be used to the cold. DC is a bit ugly in the winter, in my opinion. I've been there in January, and a few months later it looked sompletely different with the trees blossoming.

Seeing family over the christmas peroid sort of dictated the dates, which is a shame as I absolutely abhor the cold (I'm used ot it but for fuck's sake).


One thing though, you won't have to deal with as many fucking stupid tourists. Tourists, like yourself or myself, don't bother me, but stupid whiny tourists irk me like nothing else.

I don't think anyone likes the whiny flavour of tourists. Especially those that constantly try to compare their home to their holiday destination.


(Obviously I don't know if you've already been, forgive me if I'm preaching to the choir)

No, no choir here I'm afraid. North America is one of only two continents I've not been to at all (the outher is South America).

[Bud Struggle]

Any thoughts on this band? I kind of like them--but there is the Wagnerian element, they aren't Nazis or anything are they?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAhoqYwkRYQ&feature=related

(There's also a lot of drama between Tara and Annette that I don't quite understand. Or maybe there isn't.)

[Conquer or Die]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1aAz3mNyic

Sorry, you can't defend Jay Z and criticize any other rapper; except for maybe Fat Joe and some people from the South.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Seeing family over the christmas peroid sort of dictated the dates, which is a shame as I absolutely abhor the cold (I'm used ot it but for fuck's sake.)

That's as good a reason as any.


I don't think anyone likes the whiny flavour of tourists. Especially those that constantly try to compare their home to their holiday destination.

That almost sounds like a little backhanded slap at American tourists who visit...everywhere. From the way I hear people who can afford a European vacation talk about how they acted I'm a bit emmbarrassed.


No, no choir here I'm afraid. North America is one of only two continents I've not been to at all (the outher is South America).

That's quite a bit more than myself, I'm afraid. But I'm working on that.

[Jazzratt]

Any thoughts on this band? I kind of like them--but there is the Wagnerian element, they aren't Nazis or anything are they?

zAhoqYwkRYQ

I quite like them, although I don't listen to them so much these days. They were pretty much the first band I saw live, a lot of fun had there. (It was back when Tarja was the singer and even at 14(ish) I thought she was really fucking short).

Nothing Nazi in their lyrics or anything and no such tendencies I've heard of.


(There's also a lot of drama between Tara and Annette that I don't quite understand. Or maybe there isn't.)

Basically Tarja was a complete shit to the rest of the band so they kicked her out so she's getting snooty at the new singer.

[Jazzratt]

That almost sounds like a little backhanded slap at American tourists who visit...everywhere. From the way I hear people who can afford a European vacation talk about how they acted I'm a bit emmbarrassed.

Don't get me wrong it's not just you lot that are irritating tourists. I think it's something about primarily speaking english that makes you an arsehole on holiday (yank, pom, kiwi or aussie generally). At least americans aren't famous for getting pissed and assaulting the locals/vomitting on or around landmarks/filling the hopsitals with their idiotic injuries and stomach pumpings. Personally I'd rather have someone being loud and rude than having some drunken tosspot trying to kick one of my parietal bones out through my arsehole.

[Robert]

Musically they're great -- tighter than a gnat's ass.

I don't see how her stage presence fits the music, though I love that voice. It's like some inspired female alien dropped in on an Ozzie Osbourne concert, put on a white dress, grabbed a mike, and started singing along with the tacit approval of the band.

[Kronos]

You're gonna love my nuts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaR4LcLbW8I

The dance remix.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWRyj5cHIQA

[Trystan]

I got something to say to you God-damn commies:


http://stopannoyingme.wordpress.com/files/2009/08/moran.jpg

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

He's the dumb fuck wearing a Cradinals shirt.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

No, no choir here I'm afraid. North America is one of only two continents I've not been to at all (the outher is South America).

You never told you went to Antarctica!

[Jazzratt]

You never told you went to Antarctica!

It's great there, a little nippy though.

[RedAnarchist]

He's the dumb fuck wearing a Cradinals shirt.

Which was probably made in China, just like everything else he's wearing.

[Havet]

http://techstuph.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/funny_kids_dad.jpg

The most epic Forum conversation EVER

[Robert]

That is LOL KILLER funny! Where did you get it?

[IcarusAngel]

Here's what talk shows would look like if we lived in Kronos's world:

BtckVng_1a0

[Havet]

That is LOL KILLER funny! Where did you get it?

FTL forums (its originally from Facepunch forums, you know, that Half Life 2 mod called Garry's Mod ^^)

@IcarusAngel: roflmfao

[Robert]

FTL forums (its originally from Facepunch forums, you know, that Half Life 2 mod called Garry's Mod ^^)

@IcarusAngel: roflmfao

HAHAHA. Actually, I have no idea what you mean. But I don't care, cause I just got a great deal on my car insurance. Kidding.

Are those facepunch posters high school kids? Some of them are really hilarious.

[GracchusBabeuf]

http://knowyourmeme.com/i/7281/original/blurb_facepalm2_20090622.jpg?1249195345

[Havet]

HAHAHA. Actually, I have no idea what you mean. But I don't care, cause I just got a great deal on my car insurance. Kidding.

Are those facepunch posters high school kids? Some of them are really hilarious.

FTL=Free Talk Live

and yes, facepunch posters are mostly high school kids and young adults.

[Bud Struggle]

Open PM to Brother Robert.

Hey Robert--I just spent a week in Ft. Lauderdale marlin fishing with some friends that have a boat down there. And for the first time I really understood what that RevLefter's mean by "it's not fair!" Usually they say that about people with inherited money or people with a "worthwhile" college degree but I ran into the situation myself.

As we were boarding my friends boat a Masurati Quatroporte with NY plates pulls up to the dock--a 24 yo kid gets out with this 6' tall Japanese/Cacusian girlfriend that was just jaw droppingly stunning (not that I care about such things.) He then proceeds to get on this 58' boat with all sorts of caterings of food and fine wines. Then the MODELS start dropping on by an then rock stars (I didn't know 90% of them--but what do I know?) All sorts or guitars and amps were loaded on board. The models took off their tops as soon as they got on board.

Then they set out to sea ot PARTY! You could hear them jamming 10 miles away. And I was with some half drunk middle aged businessmen eating subs and fishing for marlin.

IT'S NOT FAIR!!! :( :D

[RGacky3]

Bud, your not funny, your just a dick, there is a difference.

[Bud Struggle]

Bud, your not funny, your just a dick, there is a difference.

Smokin! :D

http://gentole.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/marcha_zapatista_subcomandante_marcos320.jpg

Gack, you are getting to be the Rosa Litchenstein of OI. :D

[Robert]

Great story, Bud. As Rick James sang it, "Makes an old man, wish for younger days."

http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:mKGGYk14hhHUqM:http://www.vnexpress.net/Files/Subject/3B/9E/88/5A/Maserati%2520Quattroporte.jpg

As for the car, my 2000 auto-me-bubble probably gets better gas mileage than that new Maserati, so they're probably jealous of me as I am of them.:rolleyes:

I take it you averted your eyes as those women disrobed. Me, I might have sneaked a peek. :lol:

[Jack]

Anyone know why AvantRedGarde was restricted?

[Manifesto]

The most epic Forum conversation EVER
My God I could not stop laughing at that.

[Havet]

South Park Rampage!

Here's my two favorite clips

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxg9SJXhjnQ&feature=channel_page

And this one simply PWNS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e-VDXhXPSE

[Ele'ill]

I never found South Park to be funny.

AZN3-olI8pY


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[Ele'ill]

I am now going to drive to get food so that I can eat. While doing this I will be listening to: Kate Bush

[Robert]

Speaking of food, I know a number of fols here are wondering what I had for supper, so ... I'll share:

I took me a quarter of a head of cold iceberg lettuce, set it in a pasta bowl, sprinkled some dried cranberries and pecans thereatop, and then poured about 3 tablespoons of roquefort dressing thereupon. I had some cold green grapes and a gless of red wone too. I would say "glass" and "wine", but I've bene drinkgin wine. *Hic.* I lvoe everybody!

[Bud Struggle]

Speaking of food, I know a number of fols here are wondering what I had for supper, so ... I'll share:

I took me a quarter of a head of cold iceberg lettuce, set it in a pasta bowl, sprinkled some dried cranberries and pecans thereatop, and then poured about 3 tablespoons of roquefort dressing thereupon. I had some cold green grapes and a gless of red wone too. I would say "glass" and "wine", but I've bene drinkgin wine. *Hic.* I lvoe everybody!

Sounds pretty damn good! My daughter (the 12 yo with the bakery business) make us a foccachia (sp) with basil, fennel and dried tomatoes and feta cheese.

Was drinking Champagne. (Well, at least the Champagne of Bottled Beers! :D)

[Robert]

make us a foccachia (sp) with basil, fennel and dried tomatoes and feta cheese.

Now you're talkin'!

For some reason, the only basil I knew growing up was dried and was sprinkled from a little jar. The stuff is easy as heck to grow in a garden. We grow 2 or 3 different varieties. It can take 100 degree heat, too with no sweat. And fresh basil is 100 times better than dried.

You know, if you swap that feta for fresh mozzarella you've got a Neapolitan pizza. But I love feta too.

Ah, la dolce vita.

Hey, does she ever toast that fennel? Are you talking about seeds or the fresh bulb? I love both.

[GracchusBabeuf]

http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/fail_is_strong.jpg

[Bud Struggle]

Now you're talkin'!

For some reason, the only basil I knew growing up was dried and was sprinkled from a little jar. The stuff is easy as heck to grow in a garden. We grow 2 or 3 different varieties. It can take 100 degree heat, too with no sweat. And fresh basil is 100 times better than dried. Yea being brought by Proletarian parents all I had was salt and carraway seeds. :rolleyes: We grow the Geneovese and the Lemon basil--freaking wonderful. We do a bunch of other herbs too--we've even had a sheriff's helecopter buzzing our garden to see what we were REALLY growing. Nothing like garden grown stuff.


You know, if you swap that feta for fresh mozzarella you've got a Neapolitan pizza. But I love feta too. We do all sorts of pizzas--we use a pizza stone--it heats up really well so we could do pretty thin crusts. The brat makes the dough and "Daddy" does the toppings. We just got a really "big ass" grill (end of season sales) and we're really rethinking the hamburger--should it be taller (with piles of fixin's) or wider? I'll let you know.


Ah, la dolce vita. Indeed--we should have a Cooking Thread here on OI. They have one over at the main RevLeft--but all the recipes are of the "vegin salad with squirrel nut droppings" type and everybody knows that when your out fighting the Revolution all day--you work up a real Che-sized hunger for some good food.


Hey, does she ever toast that fennel? Are you talking about seeds or the fresh bulb? I love both. We grow fennel in the garden--but we used the fennel seeds--not toasted. We'll try that though. The brat usually uses fennel in a fennel and golden rasin semolina bread she makes.

[danyboy27]

i love everything rice related.

i make something that i call a marmite.

basmati rice with a lot of vegetables, thuna and a lot of cheese cubes.
put all that in a big marmite when cooked.

i am also a great fan of quebec shepherd pie.

[Ele'ill]

Speaking of wine and beer..

I'm making my autumn mead.

I also threw some yeast into a big jug of cran-raspberry juice and put a balloon over it to see how minimal I can be.

(I put more effort into the mead)

[Bud Struggle]

Speaking of wine and beer..

I'm making my autumn mead.



I am really starting to like you. :)

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Oi lacks Pie songs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XuADITYC2E&feature=related

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

I don't really want to create a new thread for this, so here's an announcement; as per request and subsequent CC vote, restricted members may now use the visitor message function.

[Robert]

THANK YOU, KEVIS AND ALL CC MEMBERS. I sincerely appreciate this gesture of inclusion. I know my restricted cohorts do as well!

Robert

[eyedrop]

Eat the Rich festival today, see ya later.

[GracchusBabeuf]

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/1/15/633676176353458617-coolstorybro.jpg
:cool:

[Kronos]

But this one....this is one of Frank's best. The song is called "Flakes", and it is about the the quality of goods and services in the American free market.

(The drummer does a hilarious impersonation of Bob Dylan in the song.)

http://www.supload.com/listen?s=pzFBF5

They don't do no good
They never be workin'
When they oughta should
They waste your time
They're wastin' mine
California's got the most of them
Boy, they got a host of them
Swear t'God they got the most
At every business on the coast
Swear t'God they got the most
At every business on the coast
They got the Flakes

Flakes! Flakes!

They can't fix yer brakes
You ask 'em, "Where's my motor?"
"Well it was eaten by snakes . . ."
You can stab 'n' shoot 'n' spit
But they won't be fixin' it
They're lyin' an' lazy
They can be drivin' you crazy
Swear t'God they got the most
At every business on the coast
Swear t'God they got the most
At every business on the coast
[Take it away, Bob. . .]

I asked as nice as I could
If my job would
Somehow be finished by Friday
Well, the whole damn weekend
Came 'n' went, Frankie
[Wanna buy some mandies, Bob?]
'N'they didn't do nothin'
But they charged me double for Sunday
You know, no matter what you do
They gonna cheat 'n' rob you
Then they'll send you a bill
That'll get your senses reelin'
And if you do not pay
They got computer collectors
That'll get you so crazy
Til your head'll go through th' ceilin'
Yes it will!

I'm a moron 'n' this is my wife
She's frosting a cake
With a paper knife
All what we got here's
American made
It's a little bit cheesey,
But it's nicely displayed
Well we don't get excited when it
Crumbles 'n' breaks
We just get on the phone
And call up some Flakes
They rush on over
'N' wreck it some more
'N' we are so dumb
They're linin' up at our door
Well, the toilet went crazy
Yesterday afternoon
The plumber he says
"Never flush a lampoon!"
This great information
Cost me half a week's pay
And the toilet blew up
Later on the next day ay-eee-ay
Blew up the next day WOO-OOO

We are millions 'n' millions
We're coming to get you
We're protected by unions
So don't let it upset you
Can't escape the conclusion
It's probably God's Will
That civilization
Will grind to a standstill
And we are the people
Who will make it all happen
While yer children is sleepin',
Yer puppy is crappin'
You might call us Flakes
Or something else you might coin us
But we know you're so greedy
That you'll probably join us
We're comin' to get you, we're comin' to get you
We're comin' to get you, we're comin' to get you
We're comin' to get you, we're comin' to get you
We're comin' to get you, we're comin' to get you

[danyboy27]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD_BoRNEEUQ

enjoy

[danyboy27]

in approximatly 3 day, i will commemorate the second anniversary of my mother death.

damn i feel like she still here sometimes

[Robert]

Gosh, db, didn't know you were dealing with that. I remember asking "where is my mother?" after she died. "She's dead."

"I know, but where is she?"

Hard to accept death.

Hopefully other people come in to fill the gap.

[danyboy27]

Gosh, db, didn't know you were dealing with that. I remember asking "where is my mother?" after she died. "She's dead."

"I know, but where is she?"

Hard to accept death.

Hopefully other people come in to fill the gap.

for some reason i got trouble maintaining ties with my whole family since her death, dont really know why. look like the only person i talk to or meet these day are my father and one of my sister, i just dont feel like meeting the rest of my family.

[Ele'ill]

Wow. I came over here to oi chatter to post something witty but now I'm just sad (and completely forgot what I was going to comment on). The end of summer chorus outside isn't helping either. Its a month long wake amongst the reads, grasses, trees and shrubs. And then frost. I do love it though.

Thanks for this.

[Robert]

Don't let me and dany bring you down. We're just yakkin'. What is summer chorus? Or is that just how you describe summertime?

[Ele'ill]

Don't let me and dany bring you down. We're just yakkin'. What is summer chorus? Or is that just how you describe summertime?

The summer chorus would be the Gryllidae and Auchenorrhyncha ceaselessly crying out for love before the first several frosts end it all. Its a familiar sound but its a sad sound. Its as if the remaining insects are watching over the last of summer. Their sounds are an equivalent gesture to placing coins or gold on the eyes of the deceased. A wake.

With the air being cooler now heading into autumn it just feels great to me.

[Robert]

the Gryllidae and Auchenorrhyncha ceaselessly crying out for love before the first several frosts end it all. Its a familiar sound but its a sad sound


You'll think I'm making this up, but I swear I was listening to what I think were cicadas just tonight, before reading your post, and I was touched by it. I can't say I knew they were crying out for love -- I thought they were just screaming for the hell of it :lol: -- but it was absolutely beautiful.

As is this representative of their extended family:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Graphocephala_coccinea_6.jpg/180px-Graphocephala_coccinea_6.jpg

[Kronos]

Excellent! I just discovered that someone has uploaded the first side to Frank Zappa's rock-opera "Thing Fish" onto youtube. Today is a good day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20Lev14l7aw

Here is a taste. This part of the play is called "Harry as a Boy", but to understand what is going on you'd have to start from the beginning...the 'prologue'.

Info on the theme of the play: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thing-Fish

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Indeed--we should have a Cooking Thread here on OI. They have one over at the main RevLeft--but all the recipes are of the "vegin salad with squirrel nut droppings" type and everybody knows that when your out fighting the Revolution all day--you work up a real Che-sized hunger for some good food.

Don't get the impression we all eat that crap. My diet consists mainly of fry-ups, spag bol, curry, baked potatoes with chilli and cheese, pasta, and noodles, with the occasional kebab and chips chucked in for good measure.

Hardly haute cuisine, I know. But it's cheap, tasty, and filling.

[Havet]

Don't get the impression we all eat that crap. My diet consists mainly of fry-ups, spag bol, curry, baked potatoes with chilli and cheese, pasta, and noodles, with the occasional kebab and chips chucked in for good measure.

Hardly haute cuisine, I know. But it's cheap, tasty, and filling.

Sounds pretty tasty.

Mine's are vegetarian pizzas, seitan, tofu, soy, pasta, potatoes, spaghetti, vegetables, fruit, seafood like mussels and barnacles, eggs, cheese, etc. Typical lacto-ovo-vegetarian.

[danyboy27]

Sounds pretty tasty.

Mine's are vegetarian pizzas, seitan, tofu, soy, pasta, potatoes, spaghetti, vegetables, fruit, seafood like mussels and barnacles, eggs, cheese, etc. Typical lacto-ovo-vegetarian.

i am a huuge fan pf juicy steaks with mashed potatoes.

i make my own club sandwich and i am a huuge fan of continental breakfast with bacon cheese toast and eggs.

has i mentionned earlier i am a huuge fan of rice, i basicly combine every meat with rice and a lot of vegetables.

salmon and shrimps are good too :D

[Ele'ill]

My cran-raspberry juice has evolved successfully into wine! 2 weeks!

[Ele'ill]

Indeed--we should have a Cooking Thread here on OI. They have one over at the main RevLeft--but all the recipes are of the "vegin salad with squirrel nut droppings" type and everybody knows that when your out fighting the Revolution all day--you work up a real Che-sized hunger for some good food.


I think this is a good point. Rather than have our own separate cooking/off topic/whatever sections, restricted members should be able to post in those types of areas on the main revleft page.

How the hell could we troll that? We WANT to talk to people about that stuff and the stuff talked about has NOTHING to do with politics.

It would open up the boards a little bit more and maybe even draw more regular members into the OI area for discussion.

[Robert]

How the hell could we troll that?Easy: by posting a recipe for millionaire's shortbread

http://www.scotster.com/forums/scottish-cooking/Millionaires-Shortbread.1921.html

How about Rich Man's Pie?

http://www.foodreference.com/1906/html/recipes1906piesstk_55.html

Would you believe Caviar Pie?

http://www.red-caviar.com/images/recipes/Korbchen.jpg

http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/Caviar-Pie-1172

[danyboy27]

I think this is a good point. Rather than have our own separate cooking/off topic/whatever sections, restricted members should be able to post in those types of areas on the main revleft page.

How the hell could we troll that? We WANT to talk to people about that stuff and the stuff talked about has NOTHING to do with politics.

It would open up the boards a little bit more and maybe even draw more regular members into the OI area for discussion.


i sortof agree with you that we should have access to certain area of the forum beccause we wouldnt be able to do any damage in it. we shall continue this discussion in PM.

[eyedrop]

Would you believe Caviar Pie?

http://www.red-caviar.com/images/recipes/Korbchen.jpg

http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/Caviar-Pie-1172

But.... But.... I like Caviar.

[Havet]

But.... But.... I like Caviar.

Bourgeois!!! *Points finger*

/joke

[Kronos]

I had an experience last night that I can't explain.

I was watching The Big Lebowski. The scene where The Dude is in the bathtub moments before the Nihilists burst in and throw the ferret into the tub. You know the scene. The Dude had candles burning on the rim of the tub.

The moment I saw the candles, the undeniable scent of freshly blown out candles permeated the room. You know the distinct smell of burnt wax and smoke? I smelled that odor. It was so strong I jumped up and walked around the room looking for candles that were lit (although I did not light any), and checked the ash tray for bits of wax that might be in there...melting at the touch of my cigarette. I found nothing.

Something is amiss.

Explain that, please.

We can classify this experience as a hallucination, but how?

Discuss.

Here's what I think: The sensation of smell is created when molecules impress themselves upon a nerve ending. The particular 'impression' works like a signature, which is then recorded. The recording cannot be thought of as a 'container' of the scent....the scent doesn't get stored in the nervous system. It must be that the particular signature was reproduced when I saw the candles. That means my brain simulated the sensation of smelling the candles....the visual stimulus must of worked like a trigger.

What impact does this have on mind/body dualism- one you wouldn't imagine. I would rather say that there are three things are work here. Not just the mind, not just the body....no 'internal' and 'external'. There is the objective reality which exists independently of perception, and there is the 'qualia'....the descriptive measures we use to explain sensation (these descriptions are publicly meaningless)- and we use the term 'mind' to represent this category, and then there is the duplicate reality.

I experienced a brief duplicate reality. There were no candles burning, so there was no objective reality state that would provide the sense data to produce the experience. Because of this, I cannot say I had an experience supported by an external reality. However, I cannot say that 'mind' produced this experience because such an experience does not 'exist' as content...as something that would be supplemented by a dimensionless cartesian metaphor.

What happened to me was extraordinary, people. My nervous system reproduced synthetic objective sense data that was interpreted as real and which produced verifiable qualia. I was, in a word, between what was real and what was falsified.

I must conclude that I very well may be a brain in a vat. I'm sorry.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Mind and body are the same thing I'm afraid, Kronos. If mere chemistry can give me the convincing impression that the floor is rippling and that I'm going insane, then I'm sure your brain would have no problem giving you the convincing impression of candle smoke, especially since you mentioned you had candles in your room, albeit unlit. Or maybe there was a bit of wax in your ashtray, and you somehow missed it?

Such explanations are far more plausible (and falsifiable!) than "brain in a vat" nonsense.

[Kronos]

I know all about the mind/body argument- from the time it was first muttered by the pre-socratics to now...when charlatans like Whitehead refuse to get a real job and instead write philosophy books.

I've got the whole thing covered, thank you.

No lit candles and no wax in the ash tray. It was a hallucination.

Still, you had to take the fun out of it, didn't you.

[Ele'ill]

I have had a lot of creepy things happen to me and all of them were explainable.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

For some reason I'm reminded of stories where skeptical characters project fields of Anti-Magic around them, or where as societies develop science, magic fades away. It's a charming idea, but I doubt it's true.

Or is it?

Who knows.

[Ele'ill]

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This last one almost killed me.

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:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Robert]

Are you sure that dog is working for the police? If so, I bet he was sent to bed without dinner that day.

[danyboy27]

attention everyone!
a warm welcome to our new Oi recruits, Olaf and Sega communist.

welcome in the OI boy! remember, come to the OI, we got cookies :D

[Kronos]

If you ladies leave my island, if you survive recruit training, you will be a weapon. You will be a minister of death praying for war. But until that day, you are pukes. You are the lowest form of life on earth. You are not even human fucking beings. You are nothing but unorganized grabastic pieces of amphibian shit!

Because I am hard. You will not like me. But the more you hate me the more you will learn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8Nf1MK7lts

[Conquer or Die]

How in the fuck did I get restricted?

[Jazzratt]

If you ladies leave my island, if you survive recruit training, you will be a weapon. You will be a minister of death praying for war. But until that day, you are pukes. You are the lowest form of life on earth. You are not even human fucking beings. You are nothing but unorganized grabastic pieces of amphibian shit!

Because I am hard. You will not like me. But the more you hate me the more you will learn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8Nf1MK7lts

I gave you the benefit of the doubt when you posted this in unfair restrictions and assumed you'd placed it in the wrong sticky.

[Jazzratt]

How in the fuck did I get restricted?

I believe that an administrator, using the admin control pannels, changed your permissions and user group. That's generally how it's done.

[Conquer or Die]

I believe that an administrator, using the admin control pannels, changed your permissions and user group. That's generally how it's done.

Not that I'm an intellectual heavyweight at all; but which Trotskyist/Anarchist nanny found it permissible to ban somebody who is more revolutionary communist than they are?

ED: I'm digging the no-notification censorship/elimination process you have going on. Not even a fucking message. I would like to see the reactionary fuck who banned me come forth with it's non-argument.

[Jazzratt]

Not that I'm an intellectual heavyweight at all; but which Trotskyist/Anarchist nanny found it permissible to ban somebody who is more revolutionary communist than they are?

Well, it was Black Dagger that did the actual restriction but the reason he did so was that around 30 people in the CC voted that you should be, based on the posts I quoted in the other thread.


ED: I'm digging the no-notification censorship/elimination process you have going on. Not even a fucking message. I would like to see the reactionary fuck who banned me come forth with it's non-argument.

While it might be lovely for each of the people who voted for your restriction to post their reasons to you it would be an absolutely enormous waste of time. The fact you weren't informed was admin oversight and you are correct to complain.

P.S: If you were truly being censored you wouldn't be making these posts would you, bellend? What the fuck is it about restriction that brings out the melodrama in people?

[Conquer or Die]

Well, it was Black Dagger that did the actual restriction but the reason he did so was that around 30 people in the CC voted that you should be, based on the posts I quoted in the other thread.

I really pissed off that many people by saying that it would be a smart move to do a phased withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan?


While it might be lovely for each of the people who voted for your restriction to post their reasons to you it would be an absolutely enormous waste of time. The fact you weren't informed was admin oversight and you are correct to complain.

I guess if the non powerful Trotskyist/Anarchist "non" politburo banned me because of some significant reason I would understand. Instead I was banned because people don't like me. If that's the case then that's perfectly acceptable; but to restrict me and call me reactionary as a guise is simply false in every sense of the word.


P.S: If you were truly being censored you wouldn't be making these posts would you, bellend? What the fuck is it about restriction that brings out the melodrama in people?

Because I actually had use for the non restricted portion of this site. I didn't try to argue, defeat, or hurt revolutionary communism. I tried to get some information on a series of subjects that people here might be aware of. I posted a lot in the OI because it's the most brain dead and useless section for vag wiping of people too bored to do anything else.

I make one comment that isn't ultra left, another that upholds labor aristocracy theory, and another that is a satirical comment and I get banned.

I'm also going to assume that my personal opinion on abortion had something to do with it. Even though I upheld abortion politically *which is all that matters*.

[h0m0revolutionary]

Boring.

You were restricted (not banned btw), because you supported imperialist forces in Afghanistan and Iraq. You support their aims to capture Bin Laden, you take sides in wholly imperialistic adventures and you are therefore complicit in the death of many thousands of Afghani's and Irqai's.

You didn't even wrap your imperialism up in left-wing clothing to try and pretend you're actually of the left, this site is for revolutonaries, not social-imperialists.

[Conquer or Die]

Boring.

You were restricted (not banned btw), because you supported imperialist forces in Afghanistan and Iraq. You support their aims to capture Bin Laden, you take sides in wholly imperialistic adventures and you are therefore complicit in the death of many thousands of Afghani's and Irqai's.

You didn't even wrap your imperialism up in left-wing clothing to try and pretend you're actually of the left, this site is for revolutonaries, not social-imperialists.

Fuck you. I do not support America within Afghanistan or Iraq. I support the capture of Bin Laden because he is a criminal, as are many American CEOs and government officials. It is because of imperialism that Bin Laden is still alive (if he is dead then military adventurism in the middle east lacks an appropriate basis to thrive).

I do not support "our" troops nor "our" generals nor "our" imperialist politicians in their profiteering pyramid schemes. I would support capture of Osama bin Laden and his cronies the same I would support Colombians capturing the CEO of Coca Cola. A criminal is a criminal. I did not say Americans need to put their corporations in the middle east; I did not say American cronies need to be elected in the middle east. I did not say American troops need to occupy the middle east. I did not claim to be a social imperialist.

The day an anarchist lectures a communist......

[Jazzratt]

I really pissed off that many people by saying that it would be a smart move to do a phased withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan?

That and all the shit about being a "nation traitor". Frankly I have no idea why you're surprised.


I guess if the non powerful Trotskyist/Anarchist "non" politburo banned me because of some significant reason I would understand.

Not a single marxist leninist voted in favour of keeping you unrestricted. It was not a "Trotskyist/Anarchist" plot. Don't be a fucking dunce.


Instead I was banned because people don't like me.

You were not banned. Banned members do not get to whine like you are.


If that's the case then that's perfectly acceptable; but to restrict me and call me reactionary as a guise is simply false in every sense of the word.

:rolleyes:


Because I actually had use for the non restricted portion of this site. I didn't try to argue, defeat, or hurt revolutionary communism. I tried to get some information on a series of subjects that people here might be aware of. I posted a lot in the OI because it's the most brain dead and useless section for vag wiping of people too bored to do anything else.

What the fuck does vag wiping mean? Also, it doesn't mattewr if you had a use for the rest of the board because we, quite clearly, do not have a use for you.


I make one comment that isn't ultra left, another that upholds labor aristocracy theory, and another that is a satirical comment and I get banned.

There's that word again. I almost wish you had been.


I'm also going to assume that my personal opinion on abortion had something to do with it. Even though I upheld abortion politically *which is all that matters*.

It didn't help that you're a sexist pig, no.

[h0m0revolutionary]

Originally Posted by Sega Communist

That said, as an American I am not a nation traitor. I support the capture of Osama Bin Laden at any means and a smart, quick, phased withdrawal with humanitarian intervention.

Do you know what humanitarian intervention actually means? It's the trendy term used to justfy inperialist ventures. You support it. You also do not call for the unconditional withdrawl of forces from the Middle East. Need i continue?



It didn't help that you're a sexist pig, no.

;)

[danyboy27]

wow man, i have been reading this drama with my beer and my popcorn bown for a good 10 min already, this is, i must say, quite entertaining.

go on :D

[Conquer or Die]

Originally Posted by Sega Communist

That said, as an American I am not a nation traitor. I support the capture of Osama Bin Laden at any means and a smart, quick, phased withdrawal with humanitarian intervention.

Do you know what humanitarian intervention actually means? It's the trendy term used to justfy inperialist ventures. You support it. You also do not call for the unconditional withdrawl of forces from the Middle East. Need i continue?


I thought about this. I'll officially renounce "humanitarian intervention" as it sounds like it could possibly be interpreted that way and can actually mean imperialist ventures. So I officially recant that element of my statement.

[danyboy27]

I thought about this. I'll officially renounce "humanitarian intervention" as it sounds like it could possibly be interpreted that way and can actually mean imperialist ventures. So I officially recant that element of my statement.

aww if this was so easy man, i seriously suggest to take a deep breathe, post some stuff in the Oi then come back.

or you can continue to argue with 2 admin, but i got serious doubt about the result it might have.

but you know, you can keep arguing too, this is really entertaining :D

[danyboy27]

on another note, a warm welcome to another addition to the OI,
the bear have been restricted recently, welcome on board!

[Conquer or Die]

That and all the shit about being a "nation traitor". Frankly I have no idea why you're surprised.

I think of Nation Traitor as a descriptive term. I said, "As an American I am not a nation traitor." I wrote that poorly. I meant to say, "I am an American and not a nation traitor." I do not associate the phrase "nation treason" with ultimate bad just like I don't associate the word "communism" with ultimate good. I prefer to think of terms in the neutral and apply the consequences of good and bad with reality and context.

If you are confused: I do not associate Nation treason with good or bad. I was claiming that I was not a nation traitor, not that nation traitorism is immoral. Or that I can't change my mind about it in the future.




Not a single marxist leninist voted in favour of keeping you unrestricted. It was not a "Trotskyist/Anarchist" plot. Don't be a fucking dunce.

I do not claim to be an ideological heavyweight or VIP. I do not claim to have friends here. I am merely pointing out what a fucked up popularity system you have where non ultra leftism gets banned. Where non anarchist/Trotskyist thought gets banned.

The Marxist-Leninists who voted are probably not Marxist leninists if they don't support labor aristocracy theory, and state transition to communism.




What the fuck does vag wiping mean? Also, it doesn't mattewr if you had a use for the rest of the board because we, quite clearly, do not have a use for you.

Is this the revolutionary left website who bans "non" revolutionary communists but runs a "privately owned, capitalistically run" website while always adhering to revolutionary praxis yet denying others having a use because a select group don't care for them personally?

The moral communist argument: "it doesn't matter if you (revolutionary proletariat) had a use for the rest of the board because we (Trotskyist-Anarchist undemocracy politburo), quite clearly, do not have a use for you.

Great example of communism, my friend.


There's that word again. I almost wish you had been.

Anarchist Fans of Thought Crime Alliance.


It didn't help that you're a sexist pig, no.

Freedom of speech denied!

[Conquer or Die]

aww if this was so easy man, i seriously suggest to take a deep breathe, post some stuff in the Oi then come back.

or you can continue to argue with 2 admin, but i got serious doubt about the result it might have.

but you know, you can keep arguing too, this is really entertaining :D

No doubt it's a popularity contest at this point. Several people don't like certain things (mostly on a personal level) that I've said and vote me off because they have a little pedestal of power with which to exercise it.

1. I recant "humanitarian intervention" as that most likely would be imperialist in nature.

2. I misused the phrase nation traitor in a sentence that may have been confusing.

3. I should have access to this website if I am committed to revolutionary proletarianism and anti imperialism (which I am). People denying access to me because "they have no use for me" is inherently uncommunist in every sense. If they claim private property rights and "the bill" as a way to dictate power then this website committed a sham by restricting me.

4. The labor aristocracy theory is accepted by revolutionary proletarians. This is an umbrella leftist website which means it is not dedicated to partisanship and thus debates can be waged.

5. I am allowed to hold views of whatever I want too so long as I'm dedicated to anti imperialism and communism.

6. People who do not like me personally who exercised their vote because of that dislike are uncommunist and it proves, in this case, a sham of the CC.

7. Third Worldists, Maoists, and RAIM members populate this site and are not banned.

8. Nothing of what I said contradicts an attempt at revolutionary equality.

Regardless of my input or lack thereof, or popularity or lack thereof, or quality of personal beliefs, or the use of one idea which does not involve killing capitalists in the streets; this does not make me a non revolutionary reactionary or social fascist. With the noted points 1 and 2 accounted for, restricting me is a sham.

[h0m0revolutionary]

Several people don't like certain things (mostly on a personal level)

Yes http://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/polls/bar2-l.gifhttp://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/polls/bar2.gifhttp://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/polls/bar2-r.gifhttp://www.revleft.com/vb/clear.gif 33 (http://www.revleft.com/vb/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=3229) 84.62% No http://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/polls/bar3-l.gifhttp://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/polls/bar3.gifhttp://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/polls/bar3-r.gifhttp://www.revleft.com/vb/clear.gif 2 (http://www.revleft.com/vb/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=3229) 5.13%

pwned.

[danyboy27]

Yes http://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/polls/bar2-l.gifhttp://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/polls/bar2.gifhttp://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/polls/bar2-r.gifhttp://www.revleft.com/vb/clear.gif 33 (http://www.revleft.com/vb/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=3229) 84.62% No http://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/polls/bar3-l.gifhttp://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/polls/bar3.gifhttp://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/polls/bar3-r.gifhttp://www.revleft.com/vb/clear.gif 2 (http://www.revleft.com/vb/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=3229) 5.13%

pwned.

is it me or its porhibited to release cc only material?

hey, remember charles xavier fate? could be your turn too :D

[Conquer or Die]

Yes http://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/polls/bar2-l.gifhttp://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/polls/bar2.gifhttp://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/polls/bar2-r.gifhttp://www.revleft.com/vb/clear.gif 33 (http://www.revleft.com/vb/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=3229) 84.62% No http://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/polls/bar3-l.gifhttp://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/polls/bar3.gifhttp://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/polls/bar3-r.gifhttp://www.revleft.com/vb/clear.gif 2 (http://www.revleft.com/vb/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=3229) 5.13%

pwned.

You're a failure.

[Jazzratt]

Yes http://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/polls/bar2-l.gifhttp://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/polls/bar2.gifhttp://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/polls/bar2-r.gifhttp://www.revleft.com/vb/clear.gif 33 (http://www.revleft.com/vb/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=3229) 84.62% No http://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/polls/bar3-l.gifhttp://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/polls/bar3.gifhttp://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/polls/bar3-r.gifhttp://www.revleft.com/vb/clear.gif 2 (http://www.revleft.com/vb/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=3229) 5.13%

pwned.

Oh wow. The two no votes were from a left communist and an anarchist. Where is your ultra-left conspiracy now?

[Ele'ill]

What's the big deal? This is just an internet forum.

This thread is like-

http://www.freewebs.com/12computers/12monkeys444444444444444.jpg





Also- Welcome to the dark side.

[Havet]

What the fuck is it about restriction that brings out the melodrama in people?

Lol, I remember this...:o

[danyboy27]

a warn welcome to anti-N.I.C.E, our new OIer!

welcome on board!

[Robert]

Yes, welcome indeed! Say, do you know anything about cars? I put this spoiler on my car to make it go faster, but I can't really tell any difference. Do you think I attached it wrong? Maybe I should paint it.

http://peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/57.jpg

[anti-N.I.C.E.]

:)

[Kronos]

Say, do you know anything about cars? I put this spoiler on my car to make it go faster, but I can't really tell any difference. Do you think I attached it wrong? Maybe I should paint it.Be easy on that guy who owns that car, Robby. If it weren't for lower class trash like that, you wouldn't be rich.

Fortunately for you, consumer fetishism in America affects all classes, so lower class idiots like that think by having a spoiler (which is practically useless because no cars run fast enough to really need them) they will be 'cool' and respected.

If it weren't for this psychological condition, many of the lower class wouldn't be eager to work for you...since they wouldn't be in a rush to buy a bunch of irrelevant shit they don't need.

Imagine that: work for an economic parasite for money you will use to buy crap that is only symbolically valuable, imbued with metaphysical niceties (like your wife's diamond ring, for example), but practically worthless.

You should be thanking this miserable fool, man. I mean to his face- you can reserve your jokes about him for your bourgeois buddies.

[anti-N.I.C.E.]

Be easy on that guy who owns that car, Robby. If it weren't for lower class trash like that, you wouldn't be rich.

Fortunately for you, consumer fetishism in America affects all classes, so lower class idiots like that think by having a spoiler (which is practically useless because no cars run fast enough to really need them) they will be 'cool' and respected.

If it weren't for this psychological condition, many of the lower class wouldn't be eager to work for you...since they wouldn't be in a rush to buy a bunch of irrelevant shit they don't need.

Imagine that: work for an economic parasite for money you will use to buy crap that is only symbolically valuable, imbued with metaphysical niceties (like your wife's diamond ring, for example), but practically worthless.

You should be thanking this miserable fool, man. I mean to his face- you can reserve your jokes about him for your bourgeois buddies.
I'm a miserable fool?

:laugh:

I agree with your post (apart from the section about me). Consumerism is not a good thing.

[Kronos]

If you are convinced that you ought to build a spoiler out of plywood for a car that can't do more than ninety miles and hour.....you have issues.

Back to Robby....

Robert is the playboy type. He smokes a pipe. His favorite phrase is 'outta sight'. He has an Irish Setter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmp-GCbohgA

[danyboy27]

If you are convinced that you ought to build a spoiler out of plywood for a car that can't do more than ninety miles and hour.....you have issues.

Back to Robby....

Robert is the playboy type. He smokes a pipe. His favorite phrase is 'outta sight'. He has an Irish Setter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmp-GCbohgA

i think you got an addiction problem to fransk zappa.

btw we will have a zappa concert sometimes soon in quebec.

[danyboy27]

mini-thread for an OI logo.

i have been thinking about it and i was wondering what kind of logo should be made for the OIer.

what is complicated with that task is that, the OI is made of multiple Opposing ideology, and i have great trouble finding something that would represent the OI has a whole.

the trick would be to find the thing that actually bound us together, regardless of our respective ideoologies.

ps: i would like to have the Opinions of OIer and not the regular member of revleft, its not against you but i think its something that we should decide alone.

[Kronos]

i think you got an addiction problem to fransk zappa.

I do, I do. He's the Wagner to my Nietzsche.


btw we will have a zappa concert sometimes soon in quebec.

What?! Frank came back to life and is now on tour? You're kidding me.

[Kronos]

Who is the greatest living Leftist theorist?

That would be a one 'Rosa Lichtenstein'.

[danyboy27]

What?! Frank came back to life and is now on tour? You're kidding me.
nwm this is not zappa but a bunch of verry skilled hommage group.
basicly they do the same stuff zappa did in hommage to him.

[Kronos]

Would that be Project Object?

This is a Zappa tribute band that has been around for years. These musicians are the pick of the litter. Most of them are schooled. You gotta be to play anything Zappa wrote. His stuff is the musical equivalent of Mensa.

Five years ago I saw them in Asheville. The guitarist transcribed the xylophone part in Inca Roads into guitar and played it note for note. This was a violation of the laws of physics. I don't know how he did it.

[Ele'ill]

I think I would argue against 50-60% of the posts in the main section.

This isn't that bad and I don't think I could argue them all at once.

Is there some way to 'escape' the OI restricted area and make regular posts. That would be a fun game where one restricted member a week gets to argue their case in the forum section of their choice.

The idea would be for them to get a good debate going.
The mods can decide which of the (likely only two or three) threads to focus on or something.

[Kronos]

Answer: the sentence 'Rosa Lichtenstein is a hairbrush' is in fact senseless (neither true nor false), since the criteria of application (or, indeed, the domain of quantification, if we talk more technically) of a name for a human being do (does) not range over predicate expressions for items of hair care.http://marxisthumanistinitiative.org/2009/05/05/brief-comments-on-the-relationship-between-marxism-and-the-hegelian-dialectic/

I fail to see how a violation of the agreed upon rules of predication render such a proposition 'senseless', comrade Lichtenstein. Clearly we know that Rosa Lichtenstein is not a hairbrush, while we might have great difficulty claiming to not understand such a proposition, which would have to be the case if the proposition were indeed senseless.

What do the rules of predication determine about a statement like:

"The rocket ship is not a tomato"

Is that senseless, or false?

What difference is there in the criteria of application of a name for an inanimate object, and that of an animate object? Do human beings get assigned special rules of predication which do not apply for statements like the above?

[SavagePostModern]

Hello everyone.

I'm not sure how long I'll be allowed to post on this website considering I have a feeling I'll either be banned or severely censored. I guess there just isn't no such thing as independent thought............( Laughs.)

Greetings all the same.

( Waves at Kronos.)

[Ele'ill]

g_1kziD6Lec

[Kronos]

The EPR paradox draws on a phenomenon predicted by quantum mechanics, known as quantum entanglement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement), to show that measurements performed on spatially separated parts of a quantum system can apparently have an instantaneous influence on one another.

Somebody explain to me why this is so mystifying. I don't see what the hype is about. I am prepared to argue that interpretation and measurement does not in any way affect quantum states, and I won't need to know anything about the technicalities of this science to do so. Some good, old fashioned materialism will prevail.

Now let's do this.

[Havet]

I'm sorry, but this is just HILARIOUS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju3h7yk4Hcg&feature=related

[GracchusBabeuf]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ9myHhpS9s

[Kronos]

I carry a portable Rosa with me when I'm at other sites, and I often post links to her material in an effort to promote it.

One member had the nerve to ask:


Can we get a pic of this peerless mistress?

To which I responded:


ABSOLUTELY NOT.

Do you know how many neo-nazis and right-wing conservatives are trying to identify her, dude? And if they do, I promise you what they don't have in mind is a grease down and a shiatsu.

Rosa is invisible. You'd have better luck finding Jimmy Hoffa. She cannot be located by GPS, is undetectable by any means of surveillance, uses several encrypted proxies via satellite link, and never eats at the same restaurant twice.

Let me put it to you like this:

Lenin's armored train?

Bumper-cars compared to how Rosa rolls.

Stalin's KGB?

Boy scouts in comparison to her set, homes.

I can't believe you would even ask such a dumb question.

[Kronos]

I've mentioned this before here and nobody seemed interested, but what implications does a polygraph test have on the nature of 'truth' and 'belief'?

A person is asked to answer 'true' or 'false' to this simple statement:

'Dogs are mammals'

They answer 'true'.

Several simple statements are asked, several honest answers given, and a normal reading is made by the machine- there are no spikes.

Then the person answers another question dishonestly, and the reading spikes.

So we have to say that the body will indicate when it answers contrary to what it believes. Whether or not the answer is true or false is irrelevant.....only that they honestly believe a statement is true or false.

Please describe this 'nature of truth' in a physiological sense, which is really the only real sense in which it is meaningful. If the only indication in the body that something is believed to be true or false is a normality/abnormality in a certain pattern of electrical impulses, we have gotten no closer to explaining the nature of truth.

If we say the person has learned to believe X is true, which is why we get a spike in the reading when he claims X isn't true, we haven't explained what caused him to want to think X was ever true in the first place.

Suppose also you take a kind of 'incompleteness theorem' stance on axiomatic logic. Suppose you ask a person if they think a certain logical rule is true. They say yes. Then you ask them if they think the axiom is true which supports the truth of the logical rule they were just asked about. They say yes. Suppose you continue this process until finally you reach a point where there is no axiom to support the total set of axioms the person believed were true. Then you ask them to answer this question with 'true' or 'false':

"There is a logical rule which is necessary for all other rules to exist, but this rule requires no rules itself"

How could the person possible answer this? Is that question nonsense? If it is, all the prior statements about logical rules are also nonsense. And yet, the guy answered honestly, and no spikes resulted in the reading.

Discuss.

[Kronos]

Alright forget about the polygraph test. Check this out. Not only is Hegel's idea of 'the negation of the negation' a circular redundancy, but 'negation' works only as an operation in propositions- it does not represent a real state of affairs in the world. There is no ontological status for Hegel's 'negation'.

http://kvond.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/spinozas-letter-50-to-blyenbergh-negation-and-the-unseeing-stone/

In this excellent paper a letter written by Spinoza is posted, in which he explains the difference between 'privation' and 'negation.'

Hegel says that through negation, arrived at by contradiction, a new state is generated as a reconciliation of the conflicting former states. Hegel was also a Spinozean....but grossly misunderstood Spinoza's use of the term 'negation'.

For Spinoza, there is no such thing as 'lack' or 'absence' (his example of the blind man in the letter). Rather than attributing to an object a loss of a certain characteristic, we should rather say that the essence of that object involves only what it is at that time...so that what it is is full positivity- it is missing nothing.

This notion can be expanded to represent Hegel's examples of 'dialectical development'. A final state (synthesis) of affairs can no sooner be said to be the result of a resolve of 'conflict' than a conflicting state of affairs can be said to be lacking resolution- the state of affairs is perfect as it is and does not 'dialectically evolve' in any way.

"Negation simply means having boundaries of the capacity to do."

But not lacking. There is a difference between saying 'X is incomplete because it is incapable' and 'X's incapability is part of its completion'.

See that subtle difference?

[Ele'ill]

fzzjgBAaWZw

haha

[Ele'ill]

XgEfYGzojcA



Good luck to everyone.

[danyboy27]

welcomt to SavagePostModern

our new OI member

[RedAnarchist]

fzzjgBAaWZw

haha

Have you seen the official I can Haz Cheezburger YouTube profile?


http://www.youtube.com/user/cheezburger

Their latest -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PprKPdJIN48&feature=channel_page

[danyboy27]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxtn6-XQupM

[Ele'ill]

gU-EfwLJAtQ

[Jazzratt]

gU-EfwLJAtQ

You hero(ine). Aesop Rock is a fucking lege.

[Bright Banana Beard]

The Tragedy of consumerism capitalism.
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/foto/9fe6b701_ANP_9282022.jpg
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/foto/9fe6b701_SIPA.00569151000014.jpg

More at: http://gigapica.geenstijl.nl/2009/05/mooi_milieu.html

It is fucked up.

[Havet]

I've mentioned this before here and nobody seemed interested, but what implications does a polygraph test have on the nature of 'truth' and 'belief'?

A person is asked to answer 'true' or 'false' to this simple statement:

'Dogs are mammals'

They answer 'true'.

Several simple statements are asked, several honest answers given, and a normal reading is made by the machine- there are no spikes.

Then the person answers another question dishonestly, and the reading spikes.

So we have to say that the body will indicate when it answers contrary to what it believes. Whether or not the answer is true or false is irrelevant.....only that they honestly believe a statement is true or false.

Please describe this 'nature of truth' in a physiological sense, which is really the only real sense in which it is meaningful. If the only indication in the body that something is believed to be true or false is a normality/abnormality in a certain pattern of electrical impulses, we have gotten no closer to explaining the nature of truth.

If we say the person has learned to believe X is true, which is why we get a spike in the reading when he claims X isn't true, we haven't explained what caused him to want to think X was ever true in the first place.

Suppose also you take a kind of 'incompleteness theorem' stance on axiomatic logic. Suppose you ask a person if they think a certain logical rule is true. They say yes. Then you ask them if they think the axiom is true which supports the truth of the logical rule they were just asked about. They say yes. Suppose you continue this process until finally you reach a point where there is no axiom to support the total set of axioms the person believed were true. Then you ask them to answer this question with 'true' or 'false':

"There is a logical rule which is necessary for all other rules to exist, but this rule requires no rules itself"

How could the person possible answer this? Is that question nonsense? If it is, all the prior statements about logical rules are also nonsense. And yet, the guy answered honestly, and no spikes resulted in the reading.

Discuss.

http://antipolygraph.org/

[Kronos]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53Nc6gN73O0

Golf shoes

Blow job

Sport shirt

White person

Blow job

Cone head

Shit hook

Shit hook

Shit hook

Shit hook

Blow job

Shit hook

Blow job

Shit hook

Blow job

Shit hook

Blow job

White person

Blow job

A white person

Shit hook

Golf shoes

A white person

Sport shirt

Boy friend

[Bud Struggle]

The Tragedy of consumerism capitalism.


Some things in life are bad
They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle
Don't grumble, give a whistle
And this'll help things turn out for the best...

And...always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the light side of life...

http://www.gothamdreamcars.com/images/Ferrari/ferrari-f430-spider-1.jpg
If life seems jolly rotten
There's something you've forgotten
And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing.
When you're feeling in the dumps
Don't be silly chumps
Just purse your lips and whistle - that's the thing.

And...always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the light side of life...

http://ellegirl.elle.com/var/ellegirl/storage/images/beauty/celebrity_beauty/content/supermodel_waves/heidi_klum_s_superb_supermodel_wave/38206-6-eng-US/heidi_klum_s_superb_supermodel_waves.jpg
For life is quite absurd
And death's the final word
You must always face the curtain with a bow.
Forget about your sin - give the audience a grin
Enjoy it - it's your last chance anyhow.

So always look on the bright side of death
Just before you draw your terminal breath

http://www.yachtvvs1.com/images/VVS1yacht.jpg
Life's a piece of shit
When you look at it
Life's a laugh and death's a joke, it's true.
You'll see it's all a show
Keep 'em laughing as you go
Just remember that the last laugh is on you.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/oprah/oprah_mansion.jpg

And always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the right side of life...
(Come on guys, cheer up!)
Always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the bright side of life...
(Worse things happen at sea, you know.)
Always look on the bright side of life...
(I mean - what have you got to lose?)
(You know, you come from nothing - you're going back to nothing.
What have you lost? Nothing!)
Always look on the right side of life...



http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/MercutioTomK/36943630GRIFFIN2.jpg?t=1252953321


I'm back from vacation! :lol:

Been sailing around the Greek Isles. As a Special Reporter for OI I was in Greece to check out the effects of the Anarchist riots on Athens (looked around for an hour or so and didn't notice much) and then sailed around for two weeks with some very nice people. Even discussed Anarchism a bit.



http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/MercutioTomK/BoilsBoatBabes4Web-1.jpg

[Kronos]

Bud's back from the beach! Excellent. Here's a tribute to Bud's vacation from all of us here at Revleft:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WZKcA79eg4&

[Robert]

Good to hear a positive word around here for a change!

Sounds like you didn't suffer too much en vacance.

Say, do the Feta cheese and olives taste good over there?

[danyboy27]

welcome to our new OI member, savagepostmodern

welcome to the OI!

[Jazzratt]

Say, do the Feta cheese and olives taste good over there?

That isn't the important question, the important question is if the salt was saltier. (Bit of background on that, I guess, my sister's boyfriend is greek and we have had some [mostly stoned] discussions on the subject of whether greek salt is actually saltier, and indeed if that's at all possible.)

[Havet]

Some things in life are bad
They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle
Don't grumble, give a whistle
And this'll help things turn out for the best...
And...always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the light side of life...

If life seems jolly rotten
There's something you've forgotten
And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing.
When you're feeling in the dumps
Don't be silly chumps
Just purse your lips and whistle - that's the thing.
And...always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the light side of life...


For life is quite absurd
And death's the final word
You must always face the curtain with a bow.
Forget about your sin - give the audience a grin
Enjoy it - it's your last chance anyhow.
So always look on the bright side of death
Just before you draw your terminal breath


Life's a piece of shit
When you look at it
Life's a laugh and death's a joke, it's true.
You'll see it's all a show
Keep 'em laughing as you go
Just remember that the last laugh is on you.


And always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the right side of life...
(Come on guys, cheer up!)
Always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the bright side of life...
(Worse things happen at sea, you know.)
Always look on the bright side of life...
(I mean - what have you got to lose?)
(You know, you come from nothing - you're going back to nothing.
What have you lost? Nothing!)
Always look on the right side of life...






I'm back from vacation! :lol:

Been sailing around the Greek Isles. As a Special Reporter for OI I was in Greece to check out the effects of the Anarchist riots on Athens (looked around for an hour or so and didn't notice much) and then sailed around for two weeks with some very nice people. Even discussed Anarchism a bit.







Welcome back. We certainly missed you.

Nice mentioning of Monty Python's song ;)

[Ele'ill]

Glad you made it back safely.

Did you sail with locals? What did they think of the rioting?

Did you pick up on a general feel for or against anarchism?

[Kronos]

Straighten up in that chair and pay attenchum! People, this is for your own good. Do you know what you are?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKfK1TxruHU

[danyboy27]

we should ban you for being such an ass about zappa.

dont you like something else?

[Kronos]

Yes, I have roughly 300 CDs, sixty of which are Frank's stuff. But rarely do I find the urge to share 'ordinary' music at a philosophy forum. You can listen to that crap on the radio. What unusual music I have is generally disliked by the dominant age group here- I wouldn't link you to anything by Mahavishnu Orchestra, Brand X or Weather Report, for instance. And I don't like contemporary 'rap', 'pop', 'country', 'techno' or 'metal'. These are symptoms of a dying, artistic culture....one which is becoming increasingly degenerate. (Generation Y and Z are oblivious to this since they were born into it- to them, it is normal) 'Country' of course belongs to the baby boomers....another illiterate generation. This is music for bible thumping highschool educated men who question their masculinity in an effeminate consumer culture and want to pretend to be gunslingers and cowboys to compensate for that repressive feeling, or at least diligent and hard working enough to plow a field all day for ten bucks an hour and somehow manage to feel 'proud' about that.

Yeah, the south-eastern US 'good ol' boy' is, in my opinion, the epitome of the incompetent working class. They are the perfect example of a class consciousness as stupid as it is naive. This demographic is the capitalists wet dream. And these idiots love it. The country music keeps them occupied in an injunction of fantasy and reality. You play enough Randy Travis for a man and eventually the poor bastard will beg you to let him dig a ditch.....because 'an honest days work, modest expectations, and a love of God' is all you need in this world, son.

Anyway, there is an intellectual element to Frank's music, which makes it more appropriate, I think. I adore the fact that he was ultra-cynical while also being a virtual musical genius. This prevents him from being thought of as a 'Weird Al Yankovic', who is comedy without any real talent, or a classical composure, who would put us to sleep.

[Kronos]

Try this, danyboy. There is strong ethos, pathos and logos in this music, something modern music lacks. The composition is extremely dynamic. It is aggressive, integrative, powerful and eloquent. Nothing here but analog talent....no synthetic effects to doctor up and compensate for mediocrity. Nothing mundane about it. Put any of your favorite 'mainstream' rock groups in the studio with these guys, strip them of their costumes, make-up and stage props, and they would get lost immediately.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQG7XpCiSVA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAU5o246VSA

[SavagePostModern]

I've mentioned this before here and nobody seemed interested, but what implications does a polygraph test have on the nature of 'truth' and 'belief'?

A person is asked to answer 'true' or 'false' to this simple statement:

'Dogs are mammals'

They answer 'true'.

Several simple statements are asked, several honest answers given, and a normal reading is made by the machine- there are no spikes.

Then the person answers another question dishonestly, and the reading spikes.

So we have to say that the body will indicate when it answers contrary to what it believes. Whether or not the answer is true or false is irrelevant.....only that they honestly believe a statement is true or false.

Please describe this 'nature of truth' in a physiological sense, which is really the only real sense in which it is meaningful. If the only indication in the body that something is believed to be true or false is a normality/abnormality in a certain pattern of electrical impulses, we have gotten no closer to explaining the nature of truth.

If we say the person has learned to believe X is true, which is why we get a spike in the reading when he claims X isn't true, we haven't explained what caused him to want to think X was ever true in the first place.

Suppose also you take a kind of 'incompleteness theorem' stance on axiomatic logic. Suppose you ask a person if they think a certain logical rule is true. They say yes. Then you ask them if they think the axiom is true which supports the truth of the logical rule they were just asked about. They say yes. Suppose you continue this process until finally you reach a point where there is no axiom to support the total set of axioms the person believed were true. Then you ask them to answer this question with 'true' or 'false':

"There is a logical rule which is necessary for all other rules to exist, but this rule requires no rules itself"

How could the person possible answer this? Is that question nonsense? If it is, all the prior statements about logical rules are also nonsense. And yet, the guy answered honestly, and no spikes resulted in the reading.

Discuss.

What's really interesting is, what happens on a polygraph test if a person makes themselves believe in somthing even when it had not occur?

( They convince themselves that somthing happen or didn't happen where they come to believe in their fabrications.)

( Hasn't anyone ever heard of fictional memories being fabricated in the mind over a period of time?)

[Ele'ill]

Lets talk about music.

The five most recent artists you've listened to:

1. The Brian Eno radio channel on Pandora.com (mostly calm ambient stuff with piano and such)
2. Animal Collective
3. Cyndi Lauper
4. Kate Bush
5. Iron and Wine

[Bankotsu]

Mari3L, what are your views on Chamberlain appeasement policy of Adolf Hitler?

Do you hold bourgeoisie propaganda filth views?

[SavagePostModern]

welcomt to SavagePostModern

our new OI member

Thanks. So far it seems I'm the bastard child of anarchy on this website that everybody seems to enjoy in hating. :laugh:

[SavagePostModern]

Lets talk about music.

The five most recent artists you've listened to:

1. The Brian Eno radio channel on Pandora.com (mostly calm ambient stuff with piano and such)
2. Animal Collective
3. Cyndi Lauper
4. Kate Bush
5. Iron and Wine

1. Death
2. Static X
3. Mushroomhead
4. Slipknot
5. Fear Factory.

:)

[Bankotsu]

Why were you restricted?

Did you discuss about Chamberlain's appeasing Hitler to go east and destroy USSR as well?

[SavagePostModern]

Why were you restricted?

Did you discuss about Chamberlain's appeasing Hitler to go east and destroy USSR as well?

Because people don't like my brand of anarchism here. :laugh:

[Bankotsu]

Somebody didn't like my postings and used pretext of me as reformist socialist to restrict me.

Okay, own up, who lobbied to restrict me?:mad:

[SavagePostModern]

Yes, I have roughly 300 CDs, sixty of which are Frank's stuff. But rarely do I find the urge to share 'ordinary' music at a philosophy forum. You can listen to that crap on the radio. What unusual music I have is generally disliked by the dominant age group here- I wouldn't link you to anything by Mahavishnu Orchestra, Brand X or Weather Report, for instance. And I don't like contemporary 'rap', 'pop', 'country', 'techno' or 'metal'. These are symptoms of a dying, artistic culture....one which is becoming increasingly degenerate. (Generation Y and Z are oblivious to this since they were born into it- to them, it is normal) 'Country' of course belongs to the baby boomers....another illiterate generation. This is music for bible thumping highschool educated men who question their masculinity in an effeminate consumer culture and want to pretend to be gunslingers and cowboys to compensate for that repressive feeling, or at least diligent and hard working enough to plow a field all day for ten bucks an hour and somehow manage to feel 'proud' about that.

Yeah, the south-eastern US 'good ol' boy' is, in my opinion, the epitome of the incompetent working class. They are the perfect example of a class consciousness as stupid as it is naive. This demographic is the capitalists wet dream. And these idiots love it. The country music keeps them occupied in an injunction of fantasy and reality. You play enough Randy Travis for a man and eventually the poor bastard will beg you to let him dig a ditch.....because 'an honest days work, modest expectations, and a love of God' is all you need in this world, son.

Anyway, there is an intellectual element to Frank's music, which makes it more appropriate, I think. I adore the fact that he was ultra-cynical while also being a virtual musical genius. This prevents him from being thought of as a 'Weird Al Yankovic', who is comedy without any real talent, or a classical composure, who would put us to sleep.

I need to remind myself to listen to some Frank Zappa the way you always talk about him.

[Bankotsu]

JohnnyC, why you lobbied to restrict me?

You unhappy with my posts, just PM me.

No need to stab me in the back.

sneaky little rat you.




JohnnyC:

I'm just wondering why this user hasn't been restricted yet.It's quite clear from his posts that he is not a revolutionary in any way, he even said it himself.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/bankotsui-t117335/index.html



So how many people have you stabbed in the back here JohnnyC?

People, beware of this backstabber JohnnyC.

He will find a pretext, use it as an excuse and restrict you.

A narrow petty guy, this JohnnyC.

[Ele'ill]

Are we allowed to quote user's posts and put them in our signature? I thought this was not allowed but noticed some people doing it. I have some really good ones saved.

[Pirate Utopian]

Somebody didn't like my postings and used pretext of me as reformist socialist to restrict me.

Okay, own up, who lobbied to restrict me?:mad:
Me.
http://www.canpages.ca/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/dr-evil.jpg

[danyboy27]

hey kronos i dont have any problem about zappa, its good stuff, but you seem to have some kind of obsesion about him.

[Havet]

Lets talk about music.

The five most recent artists you've listened to:

1. The Brian Eno radio channel on Pandora.com (mostly calm ambient stuff with piano and such)
2. Animal Collective
3. Cyndi Lauper
4. Kate Bush
5. Iron and Wine

My top artists:

1. Radiohead (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiohead)
2. Sigur rós (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigur_ros)
3. Faithless (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless)
4. Tom Waits (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_waits)
5. Aphex Twin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphex_twin)
6. General 50s songs (The chordettes, andrew sisters, billie holiday, bing crosby, django reinhardt, frank sinattra, the ink spots, etc)
7. Youngblood brass band (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youngblood_Brass_Band)
8. Boards of Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boards_of_canada)
9. Joy Division (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joy_division)
10. Oasis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oasis_%28band%29)

Do check out some bands you might not heard of. I find them "objectively" artistic, under my "objective" definition of art, taken from Mr.Bukowski (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Bukowski)

[Havet]

Some samples of what i'm talking about (music related):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odcJ-vS22rI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0mtSjQvk3o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0AZIFmkogY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scpJFEtmEb4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9mhsW5aWJM

Aphex twin is particularly impressive for the fact that most of it is completely computerized

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrKQTi4SoMI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxH9Dg1JLio

and i'll finish with boards of canada

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7bKe_Zgk4o

Won't post any joy division and Oasis because they're mostly mainstream (or at least, many people have heard of them).

[Ele'ill]

I've heard of every artist so far in this thread. I like many of them.

Aphex twin's On, Nanou II, Avril 14th and rhubarb, are nice.

[Havet]

I've heard of every artist so far in this thread. I like many of them.

Aphex twin's On, Nanou II, Avril 14th and rhubarb, are nice.

So is Aphex Twin's Girl/Boy song, Come to Daddy, Bouncing ball, flim, etc ^^

[danyboy27]

Lets talk about music.

The five most recent artists you've listened to:

1. The Brian Eno radio channel on Pandora.com (mostly calm ambient stuff with piano and such)
2. Animal Collective
3. Cyndi Lauper
4. Kate Bush
5. Iron and Wine

1.eminem
2.jay-z
3.marilin manson

[Bud Struggle]

Lets talk about music.

The five most recent artists you've listened to:

1. The Brian Eno radio channel on Pandora.com (mostly calm ambient stuff with piano and such)
2. Animal Collective
3. Cyndi Lauper
4. Kate Bush
5. Iron and Wine

Frank Sinatra (My Way)

Sammy Davis Jr. (I gotta be ME!)

Beyonce (Me, Myself and I)

;):rolleyes:

[Jazzratt]

Most recent Artists - Songs.

Echo & The Bunnymen - The Cutter
Mephisto Walz - Aegis
Skeletal Family - Guilt
Two Witches - The Hungry Eyes
Sad Lovers & Giants - Landslide
Play Dead - Don't leave Without Me

[danyboy27]

For all the OIer fan of video game join the OI steam member group!

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/oppideolog

send me a PM in revleft and i add you!

for those who dont know what steam is, its basicly a software used to both manage games and its also englobe the whole social element around it (chatting, messanging, invite for various games).

i am not reallt optimistic, knowing that the majority of OIer arnt gamer at all but who know? it seem there is a lot of Relatively young people getting restricted these day!

[Ele'ill]

For all the OIer fan of video game join the OI steam member group!

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/oppideolog

send me a PM in revleft and i add you!

for those who dont know what steam is, its basicly a software used to both manage games and its also englobe the whole social element around it (chatting, messanging, invite for various games).

i am not reallt optimistic, knowing that the majority of OIer arnt gamer at all but who know? it seem there is a lot of Relatively young people getting restricted these day!

Believe it or not I used to play the Half-life 2 mod Insurgency.

I played as Mari3L and was one of the greatest players to ever play.

I also used to and still play Tribes.

[danyboy27]

Believe it or not I used to play the Half-life 2 mod Insurgency.

I played as Mari3L and was one of the greatest players to ever play.

I also used to and still play Tribes.

send me a pm with your steam ID and i add you to the group. if you know other OIer just tell me and i add their steam id has well.

i am also a huuge fan of insurgency, new version coming out soon :D

i also love civilisation

[SavagePostModern]

My top artists:

1. Radiohead (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiohead)
2. Sigur rós (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigur_ros)
3. Faithless (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless)
4. Tom Waits (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_waits)
5. Aphex Twin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphex_twin)
6. General 50s songs (The chordettes, andrew sisters, billie holiday, bing crosby, django reinhardt, frank sinattra, the ink spots, etc)
7. Youngblood brass band (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youngblood_Brass_Band)
8. Boards of Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boards_of_canada)
9. Joy Division (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joy_division)
10. Oasis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oasis_%28band%29)

Do check out some bands you might not heard of. I find them "objectively" artistic, under my "objective" definition of art, taken from Mr.Bukowski (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Bukowski)



Joy Division is a awsome band.

Aphex Twin is interesting.

[SavagePostModern]

1.eminem
2.jay-z
3.marilin manson

I like number 3.

That's a weird mix you got going on there.

[SavagePostModern]

* Listens to some Nine Inch Nails*

[Bud Struggle]

Hey Kronos:

Fifty albums of Zappa couldn't touch this human experience masterpiece.

(IMHO)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMcfUjIguSs&feature=related

This is the REAL thing.