Clipboard people piss me off

[Angry Young Man]

So I'm in the city centre trying to get to the bank, and there's a line of poxy chuggers (charity muggers). I'm thinking 'be sure to speak Spanish' - I got away with French once. Then one of them pounces on me from fucking miles off and says he knows me, which patently he did not. Fucking ****! GRRRR!!!

Share your stories of chuggers here.

[Pogue]

I told one of them I'm a communist and he said 'Bye'.

[NecroCommie]

When they come with their "donate to the church" I tell them to join the communist party with similar tone. Usually takes care of them.

[Il Medico]

Those guys aren't as bad here. How military recruiters are everywhere. I usually just ask them if they would like to join the Communist Party when they start to bother me. This has backfired once though.

[Pirate Utopian]

Those guys aren't as bad here. How military recruiters are everywhere. I usually just ask them if they would like to join the Communist Party when they start to bother me. This has backfired once though.
In what way?

[Il Medico]

In what way?
I said it to the wrong crazy conservative recruiter and he preceded to yell insults at me and call me both a coward and traitor to America. This last for about 15 minutes as he seemed intent on following me no matter where I went. As I did not have a car at the time and was waiting for a ride, I could not leave. He called me a murder and evil, at which point I burst out laughing so hard that he gave up a left.

[bcbm]

A lot of canvassers are doing that because its the only work available to them. I had to do it for some weeks when I moved in January and ran out of money and its a horrible job with a low pay rate completely dependent on your ability to con people into donating to bullshit. Most of the time canvassers don't even care about whatever the cause is, they're just trying to get enough donations to get a bonus that week. As annoying as they can be, try to remember they're mostly just working people trying to get by and many of them have no other option.

[Pogue]

A lot of canvassers are doing that because its the only work available to them. I had to do it for some weeks when I moved in January and ran out of money and its a horrible job with a low pay rate completely dependent on your ability to con people into donating to bullshit. Most of the time canvassers don't even care about whatever the cause is, they're just trying to get enough donations to get a bonus that week. As annoying as they can be, try to remember they're mostly just working people trying to get by and many of them have no other option.

This is interesting, I always wondered if they actually worked for the charity or not.

[bcbm]

Sometimes. Often they're just employees of a canvassing company that is contracted by the charity to raise money, presumably for a cut. The worst off people in the industry are probably the heads of regional offices, as they are extremely overworked while being on the same payscale as everyone else (dependent on meeting donation quotas) and can be moved around the country at any time to work on new campaigns.

[NecroCommie]

A lot of canvassers are doing that because its the only work available to them. I had to do it for some weeks when I moved in January and ran out of money and its a horrible job with a low pay rate completely dependent on your ability to con people into donating to bullshit. Most of the time canvassers don't even care about whatever the cause is, they're just trying to get enough donations to get a bonus that week. As annoying as they can be, try to remember they're mostly just working people trying to get by and many of them have no other option.
Yeah, I guess I don't know the situation in the US. I do know that here they are all volunteers, except the ones of the army and the salvation army (with salvation army they are kind of half-volunteers). The idealists are way more annoying. :mad: They just don't give up.

[Dr Mindbender]

i started a thread about chuggers last week which was allowed to die off so i cum in the face of this one!

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Poxy chuggers? :laugh:

English slang is priceless.

[Sam_b]

charity muggers

Surveys show that for every pound that a charity puts into street fundraisers they get five back in donations and sign ups. My point is that you're a fucking idiot to band around words like that because you blatantly have no idea.

Yeah, these bastard 'muggers' trying to make a living eh? "****s" are they (its okay to use sexist terminology when you're angry of course), ruining your quality of life I bet. Good. Fuck off.

[Cassius Clay 2009]

While it should be pointed out that the majority of the guys and girls doing this are most likely skint students who dont have much of a choice in terms of doing it I have little time for them.

Very obviously these temp are all told various methods that the management of these charrity's think best to get more people to sign up to regular donations. At best it simply makes them look like idiots and at worst it can be insulting or intimidating. I can have sympathy for the workers out there all day in the street, no doubt they encounter rudeness and hoped they were somewhere else. But that doesn't give any of them the right to be rude to people who ignore them or to lecture people on the virtues of charrity.

I personally dont agree with charity, I imagine most left-wingers feel the same and more to the point I'm far to skint to be donating. If I politely say 'no thankyou' once walking down the high-street I dont expect to have that same person follow me for 10 yards when I walk back down the other way 20 minutes later. I've seen it with other people and if you get a case where one of these guys/gals is good with the gab then it more or less is a attempt at public humilation.

Once me and a mate were walking down a street in London and two of these people basically shouted at us for being 'Rude bastards' cos we ignored one of them. I'm sorry but that's disgusting behaviour if we were bothered we should of taken there names and the name of the charity. At the end of the day they are trying to sell me a product, if a retail assistant spoke to people like the way some of these guys speak to people then they'd be sacked.

[Dr Mindbender]

Surveys show that for every pound that a charity puts into street fundraisers they get five back in donations and sign ups.

perhaps the SWP should employ street fundraisers too.

When was the last paper sale you had that had a five-fold return? :D

Id rather give 4 quid to bobkindles than to Amnesty international, greenpeace or any of those wankers anyway!

[Sam_b]

Id rather give 4 quid to bobkindles than to Amnesty international, greenpeace or any of those wankers anyway!

He'll just spend it on some Alex Callinicos book.

[Pogue]

He'll just spend it on some Alex Callinicos book.

Or some pear cider, aka piss in a bottle

[Angry Young Man]

Surveys show that for every pound that a charity puts into street fundraisers they get five back in donations and sign ups. My point is that you're a fucking idiot to band around words like that because you blatantly have no idea.

Yeah, these bastard 'muggers' trying to make a living eh? "****s" are they (its okay to use sexist terminology when you're angry of course), ruining your quality of life I bet. Good. Fuck off.

It's the common phrase. I don't really care, I only know that they piss me off. And you never say that calling somebody a dickhead is sexist. Or a twat, if we're going exclusively for the female reproductive tract. I don't really say **** as in vagina anyway. Tell you what, why don't you cheer up, you miserable bastard? God, whatever it is, I'll put the kettle on, because you need to let some things out

[Sam_b]

It's the common phrase

So what? That is the worst reason to try and excuse your position ever. Go on then - actually defend your phrase then or admit you know absolutely nothing about charity fundraising and the costs involved. Go on, gies a laugh.


And you never say that calling somebody a dickhead is sexist

The last time I checked, men aren't oppressed by gender. I hope this aint the CWI's line...


Or a twat, if we're going exclusively for the female reproductive tract. I don't really say **** as in vagina anyway

Of course its sexist, idiot. And I don't care if you say it that way at all. "She's a whore but I don't say it in a sexist way" etc etc.

I'll cheer up when you stop being a moron who thinks twice before posting his shite.

[samofshs]

maybe men aren't oppressed by gender, but it's still sexist. and yes, british slang is goddamn laughable.

[Sam_b]

maybe men aren't oppressed by gender, but it's still sexist

I don't think you know what you're talking about.

[Angry Young Man]

Well, I suppose the common phrase came from them being 1. predatory; and 2. after your money.

Second, why should wishing to abolish oppression by gender mean that you can't call somebody a twat, or even a ****. Who does call a vagina a **** anyway, let alone thinks about the person they're calling one a vagina? The word's value is in its aggressive sound, not its semantics. Just like twat! Or prick. Or arsehole! Am I oppressing all mammals by calling you an arsehole?

And finally, will your holiness permit me to call somebody who has sold their soul - regardless of gender - a whore, on the proviso that I prefix it with 'corporate'?

[Sam_b]

Second, why should wishing to abolish oppression by gender mean that you can't call somebody a twat, or even a ****. Who does call a vagina a **** anyway, let alone thinks about the person they're calling one a vagina? The word's value is in its aggressive sound, not its semantics. Just like twat! Or prick. Or arsehole! Am I oppressing all mammals by calling you an arsehole?

I would have thought this would be simple to grasp. Apparently not. So your argument here, if i'm getting you correctly, is summarised as thus: although we live in a patriarchcal society where women are oppressed, it is okay to use mysogenistic language and vulgar expressions coined out of sexist nicknames for women's genetaelia because you yourself are apparently against social discrimination. Its okay to call someone this because it sounds aggressive. HOLD ON A MINUTE! I'm guessing by that weak argument that calling someone a "n*gger" sounds aggressive as well and therefore it must be perfectly alright. Where does the buck stop?

Would you go into a CWI meeting and use these sexist words? If not, why not? Because you seem comfortable using them on a revolutionary leftist website.


And finally, will your holiness permit me to call somebody who has sold their soul - regardless of gender - a whore, on the proviso that I prefix it with 'corporate'?

:rolleyes:

Of course not.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Haven't you heard? Using harsh-sounding taboo words is something only those ignorant proles do in their filthy pubs! And women who use such words don't know what's for their own good. [/heavy sarcasm]

[Sam_b]

I assume you're sarcastically referring to me, but I don't really understand what you're trying to get at here.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I assume you're sarcastically referring to me, but I don't really understand what you're trying to get at here.

Just pointing out that you can't compare "****" to "nigger". The words have completely different histories and connotations.

[Angry Young Man]

Ok, is there anybody apart from Sam (who clearly hasn't seen one in too long a time (if you're gay, I apologise, but get laid either way - you'll be less bald all the time) who visualises a vagina when they say or hear the word ****? And to further your analogy, if it were so horribly sexist, then parents would tell their children that that is why they mustn't say it, rather than it just being a swear.

Did your parents never take you to a playground or park or owt as a child because they believed such places were patronising to children?

[Sam_b]

Well done AYM for addressing absolutely nothing from my last post.


And to further your analogy, if it were so horribly sexist, then parents would tell their children that that is why they mustn't say it, rather than it just being a swear.

It says it all here really that a man is desperately trying to convince everyone that the use of sexist terminology is acceptable. You don't have a clue do you? We live in a patriarchal, male dominated world and system. Why do you think that such words, terminologies and the like are passed over and deemed 'acceptable'? Who is it that usuall argues this line? What do you know - other men.

The feeble excuse that I am taing a stand against sexism because I "Haven't seen one in a long time" just compounds your chauvenism and shows it up for what it really is.
Would you go into a CWI meeting and use these sexist words? If not, why not? Because you seem comfortable using them on a revolutionary leftist website.

[Angry Young Man]

No, because a meeting is not an appropriate context to use cuss words. However, after the officialities are done with, I will merrily use cuss words in conversation with other members. Fun fayres started as political tools to kill rebellion with kindness, hence 'bread and circuses'. Does this mean that funfayres are the product of a structure formed upon, in reduced and quite loose terms, tyrants and slaves, and therefore must be done away with come the revolution? It's not a similarity of calling somebody a **** with using the n-word. You might as well be saying that the word 'person' is sexist because within is the word 'son'. Gender isn't pre-conceived by the word person any more than a vagina is conceived when somebody says the word ****.

[Sam_b]

You might as well be saying that the word 'person' is sexist because within is the word 'son'

This is the most ridiculous reasoning I have ever seen.

You even admit that the origins of the words come from slang or slander referring to a women's vagina. Yet your feeble argument is that this has been bypassed? Pathetic. I imagine the radical feminists of the seventies, Dworkin et al "hadn't seen one in a long time" either eh? I don't know whats worse - you using these words in the first place, or continuing to defend them with more sexist terminology.

Indeed: this site gets it pretty much spot-on: http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/03/08/lazy-blogging-against-sexism/ , and of course sees the irony of men almost exclusively trying to defend its use.

"That’s why I’m not going to modulate my tone down from “misogynist assberet.” I call TRex a sexist because he has stated that he sees nothing wrong at all with using misogynist slurs to refer to women. I call TRex a sexist because it is just plain senseless to assume that demonstrations of bigotry are isolated incidents rather than demonstrations of a worldview. I call TRex a sexist because I see no point in pretending that he has nothing to do with his own words, or that those words are not important. "
http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/11/30/this-is-a-stupid-question/

[Angry Young Man]

Come on, now you're just being anal. I've explained clearly that the female genitals do not pass through my head when I call somebody a ****, nor have I ever referred to it as a ****. Why can't you try and reclaim words that have become sexist, like most of the words that mean a lascivious woman? They all seem to originally be ungendered and refer to a slobby and grubby person, and there is no group harm to call somebody that.

But just for your sake, I'll change the first post with the offending word so that it has nothing at all to do with anatomy.

[Angry Young Man]

So I'm in the city centre trying to get to the bank, and there's a line of cursèd [pox being an inflammation of the skin] chuggers (charity muggers). I'm thinking 'be sure to speak Spanish' - I got away with French once. Then one of them pounces on me from far, far off [fucking is a bodily action] and says he knows me, which patently he did not. Brazen flibbertigibbet! GRRRR!!!

Share your stories of chuggers here.


Fixed for Sam B

[Sam_b]

I've explained clearly that the female genitals do not pass through my head when I call somebody a ****, nor have I ever referred to it as a ****

For fucks sake. As I've said before - that is not the point. It doesn't matter if you try and excuse its use in language because you apparently don't use it with prejudiced connotations. The very use of the word does have sexist connotations. Excuse me for being 'anal' when it comes to arguing a point of principle, and especially a leftist and feminist point of principle.


Why can't you try and reclaim words that have become sexist, like most of the words that mean a lascivious woman?

I don't think that reclaimation of words in such a society happens to work, but indeed that is a legitimate point. However, it is not legitimate for a man to be reclaiming such a word, in the same vein as white people reclaiming 'n*gger'.

[Angry Young Man]

I was talking about taking words like slut out of their misogynistic context. N--- can just be done away with because it is a vile word that can't, at best, be not racist for several generations because that it is always visible to the mind that it means ethnically African-Caribbean. The same cannot be said fo c---

Also, how can words still have their former or other meaning when words and meanings are attached arbitrarily, save for onomatopoeia? Just like to me, chat means informal talk, whereas were I French, it would mean cat.

[Sam_b]

I was talking about taking words like slut out of their misogynistic context

The reclaiming of words is I think worthy of a separate thread in discrimination. I for one would prefer to see these words put into the dustbin of history.


Also, how can words still have their former or other meaning when words and meanings are attached arbitrarily, save for onomatopoeia? Just like to me, chat means informal talk, whereas were I French, it would mean cat.

If you were French it would still be informal talk as you have used this word in the context of the English language. In both words would still be mysogenistic and degrading to women, re: ****/salope etc.

[Angry Young Man]

But slut's a fantastic word. Wouldn't you want to call a messy house slutty? You have no love for language.

And when a French person writes 'chat', 9 times out of 10 he will mean a furry miaowcat, without informal conversations crossing their mind. Is the French person being languagist for writing 'chat' without considering the English ramifications of cats?

Miaow

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I want to be a slut.

[Angry Young Man]

You really don't. I moved in a month ago today and my stuff's still strewn across the house. I've only just started efforts to clean it.

[ls]

I tell them that they are NOT WELCOME IN MY SILENT ABODE!