Police under socialism?

[Little-Lenin]

I have a question: will there be regular, professional police-women and police-men under the period of thransition - that phase which is called the dictatorship of the proletariat by the marxists?

Answers are very welcome! :)

In solidarity,

Little-Lenin

[ArrowLance]

Possibly, but I would hope not. I don't really see the need for a roaming group of authoritarian-fetish pricks running around enforcing whatever they want. We shouldn't be willing to give away that sort of power to any individuals, especially during the transitional phase.

[Pogue]

There will be 'police', they will be accountable though with democratic leaders and powers determined by the people.

[NecroCommie]

In "state and revolution" Lenin clearly states that in order for the state to be fully crushed, one needs to crush all the leeching organs of that state. This includes police. I happen to agree with Lenin, and I agree with him also on his idea about what should replace police. Police would be replaced by regional voluntary workers militia. I dunno if other countries have the "voluntary fire brigade" activity, but that except on police business. Some smaller villages here run their fire brigades in similar manner.

[Pogue]

In "state and revolution" Lenin clearly states that in order for the state to be fully crushed, one needs to crush all the leeching organs of that state. This includes police. I happen to agree with Lenin, and I agree with him also on his idea about what should replace police. Police would be replaced by regional voluntary workers militia. I dunno if other countries have the "voluntary fire brigade" activity, but that except on police business. Some smaller villages here run their fire brigades in similar manner.

I guess Lenin would count the Cheka as one of the institutions which needed to be...


oh wait

[NecroCommie]

I guess Lenin would count the Cheka as one of the institutions which needed to be...


oh wait
That post is widely off-topic an uncalled for. Let us save the tendency wars for another topic.

But It seems the english word I was searching for was voluntary fire department, and has slight differences to what I mentioned. Nevertheless, take the idea, make it police and you should have a vague idea about what I'm talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_fire_brigade

[Pogue]

That post is widely off-topic an uncalled for. Let us save the tendency wars for another topic.

But It seems the english word I was searching for was voluntary fire department, and has slight differences to what I mentioned. Nevertheless, take the idea, make it police and you should have a vague idea about what I'm talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_fire_brigade

I don't think you can have a voluntary fire brigade, its unnecesary and undesirable, the fire brigade are not a negative part of the state.

[NecroCommie]

I don't think you can have a voluntary fire brigade, its unnecesary and undesirable, the fire brigade are not a negative part of the state.
True, but now we are talking about police. Unnecesary it hardly is, especially on smaller rural communities which could not operate a full time fire brigade.

[Pogue]

True, but now we are talking about police.

Yeh I know, but you were the one who mentioned a voluntary fire brigade.

[Nwoye]

But the working class cannot simply lay hold of the ready-made state machinery, and wield it for its own purposes.

The centralized state power, with its ubiquitous organs of standing army, police, bureaucracy, clergy, and judicature – organs wrought after the plan of a systematic and hierarchic division of labor – originates from the days of absolute monarchy, serving nascent middle class society as a mighty weapon in its struggle against feudalism.

I'd like to see "police" carried out through voluntary militias, citizen patrols and block watches, much like we have today. The thought that we need a bunch of professional douchebags-in-uniform enforcing petty regulations in order to be safe is just reactionary nonsense.

[Pogue]

I'd like to see "police" carried out through voluntary militias, citizen patrols and block watches, much like we have today. The thought that we need a bunch of professional douchebags-in-uniform enforcing petty regulations in order to be safe is just reactionary nonsense.

Do you think people without training and a full time placement can catch murderers, solve crimes, etc?

[Nwoye]

Do you think people without training and a full time placement can catch murderers, solve crimes, etc?
I didn't say without training. And there's a difference between policemen as I assumed we're discussing here and detectives or judges.

[Psy]

I'd like to see "police" carried out through voluntary militias, citizen patrols and block watches, much like we have today. The thought that we need a bunch of professional douchebags-in-uniform enforcing petty regulations in order to be safe is just reactionary nonsense.
I think most policing would be workers on their workplaces for example parks policed by park workers, transit systems policed by transit workers,ect. It would mean people looking for help don't have to look for as designated police officer but any on duty worker, it would give workers authority over their workplace when it is public space for example road workers having authority to arrest drivers that fail to obey the flag man.

[Charles Xavier]

Police are there to enforce class rule, under capitalism, for the bosses, and under socialism for the workers. I do not think it is correct to rely on people going around catching career criminals who rob people out of altruism. Rather people being paid to do it as part of their job. Someone needs to catch saboteurs, the corrupt, murderers, rapists, drunk drivers and other degenerates.

The reasons why the majority of us have problems with cops under capitalism is because they do two things, they enforce property rights, and disproportionately target the victims of capitalism.

Obviously crime will be less under socialism as when someone's basic needs and adequate employment are met there is less likelihood people turning to crime out of economic necessity or to other degeneracies such as vandalism.

[Lynx]

We will still need detectives to solve violent crime.

[scarletghoul]

we will kill all the police

problem solved

[JimmyJazz]

Armed police? Riot police?

No.

Peace officers with strictly limited authority, sure.