Tibetan Buddhism

[Clear Air Turbulence]

I've come to the same conclusion. Tibet doesn't need "freeing" so that they can oppress their citizens with fundementalist buddhism.

Tibetan Buddhism is the 'crazy ex' of Buddhism. It's got sweet f.a to do with buddhas (supposed) original message. I imagine Buddha would just stare agog at the Llama and proclaim 'Y'what?' when he learnt of their supposedly Buddhist beliefs.

[Agrippa]

Tibetan Buddhism is the 'crazy ex' of Buddhism. It's got sweet f.a to do with buddhas (supposed) original message. I imagine Buddha would just stare agog at the Llama and proclaim 'Y'what?' when he learnt of their supposedly Buddhist beliefs.

Is this mildly offensive Sanskrit/Aryan Theravada Buddhist chauvinism something you've inherited from your research into and analysis of classical Buddhist philosophy, or is it just something you've picked up from stupid racist stereotypes about drunken, illiterate, flesh-eating, dirt-worshiping hillbilly Tibetan barbarians?

Either way, it's something you should re-research and re-consider.

[Random Precision]

Is this mildly offensive Sanskrit/Aryan Theravada Buddhist chauvinism something you've inherited from your research into and analysis of classical Buddhist philosophy, or is it just something you've picked up from stupid racist stereotypes about drunken, illiterate, flesh-eating, dirt-worshiping hillbilly Tibetan barbarians?

Either way, it's something you should re-research and re-consider.

An accusation of Sanskrit/Aryan "chauvanism" is fairly bizarre considering that the Buddhist scriptures were written in Pali, a prakrit (common) language as opposed to the Sanskrit language, used in the liturgy, education and among the sometimes-ruling Brahmin class. It's even more bizarre when we remember that it is just that class whose dominance was posed a direct challenge by the Buddha's teachings against wealth and worldly power, which are still practiced in certain segments of the Therevada community, while Tibetan Buddhism has been best used as a prop to the religious hierarchy of Tibet.

This is not of course to say that Tibetan Buddhism is not a legitimate part of the Buddhist community. All religious communities have the tendency to grow members that deviate from or go precisely against their founder's intention, given enough time and a steady rate of growth. It would be like saying Catholicism or Calvinism aren't a legitimate part of Christianity.

In any case, CAT would be certainly correct to assert that Therevada/Southern Buddhism is much closer to the teachings and practice of the Buddha, at least as much as we know of them.

[Agrippa]

An accusation of Sanskrit/Aryan "chauvanism" is fairly bizarre considering that the Buddhist scriptures were written in Pali, a prakrit (common) language as opposed to the Sanskrit language, used in the liturgy, education and among the sometimes-ruling Brahmin class.

It doesn't matter if you hold up the works of Vero and Cicero as an example of Italian culture's superiority to that of the Moors, or more common-language literature such as Dante. You're a racist either way.


the Buddha's teachings against wealth and worldly power, which are still practiced in certain segments of the Therevada community, while Tibetan Buddhism has been best used as a prop to the religious hierarchy of Tibet. Christ's teachings against wealth and worldy power are still practiced by some Catholic priests, too. They got Buddhist religious heirarchies south of Tibet and west of China, y'nkow....


This is not of course to say that Tibetan Buddhism is not a legitimate part of the Buddhist community. All religious communities have the tendency to grow members that deviate from or go precisely against their founder's intention, given enough time and a steady rate of growth. It would be like saying Catholicism or Calvinism aren't a legitimate part of Christianity.

In any case, CAT would be certainly correct to assert that Therevada/Southern Buddhism is much closer to the teachings and practice of the Buddha, at least as much as we know of them.I'm not a Buddhist so I don't give a shit, but she/he said "supposedly Buddhist" in reference to Buddhism, that implies less intellectual legitimacy. The Mahayanas and Vajrayanas also feel their beliefs are closest to the Buddha's, given that the avaracious corruption and patriarchy of the Southern Buddhist religious heirarchy, I don't blame them. Regardless, this has fuck-all with whether or not we support the Tibetan national liberation struggle since many Tibetans correctly view Buddhism as a product of foreign cultural imperialism forced on the Tibetan people centuries ago.

Edit: What if someone had trolled a discussion of the 2008 Athens rising with some comment about how Greeks are evil because Greek Orthodox is a less legitimate form of Christianity than Levantine Gnosticism? A moderator would probably delete the post as spam.

[Rucking Fetard]

Im pretty sure Obama is this religion or something, I forgot what they said. Anyway Yeah I have a saying. " If it's not christian it's a lie".

[khad]

Tibetan Buddhism is the 'crazy ex' of Buddhism. It's got sweet f.a to do with buddhas (supposed) original message. I imagine Buddha would just stare agog at the Llama and proclaim 'Y'what?' when he learnt of their supposedly Buddhist beliefs.
I agree. Buddhism as it originally was did not concern itself with institutional power. If you want to look at this from a cross-cultural materialist perspective, the Tibetan form of Buddhism is religion adapted as a control mechanism for a feudal society. In this regard, it's similar to the Catholic Church.

[Agrippa]

I agree. Buddhism as it originally was did not concern itself with institutional power. If you want to look at this from a cross-cultural materialist perspective, the Tibetan form of Buddhism is religion adapted as a control mechanism for a feudal society. In this regard, it's similar to the Catholic Church.

Are you saying that Tibet was a less libertarian society than Northern India?

Stalinist delusion rears its ugly head again...:rolleyes:

[trivas7]

I agree. Buddhism as it originally was did not concern itself with institutional power.
OTC, the Buddhist sangha was the first historical monastic institution.

[Kassad]

Oppressive theocrats lose power and regroup with support of petit-bourgeois forces, incredibly wealthy American celebrities and the United States government. Years of oppression, exploitation and starvation are not noteworthy, apparently. Tibetan Buddhism is nothing but an outdated mode of control that should be thrown into the dustbin of history.

[Agrippa]

How are Theravada Buddhists not "oppressive theocrats"? I guess before the inherently barbaric, inherently feudal Tibetans got a hold of the noble, Aryan creed that was Buddhism, all Buddhists did was sit around in the park smoking pot and playing the bongos. :rolleyes:

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but Buddhists were the ones who introduced patriarchal society to Tibet.

Why not just admit that you hate Tibetan people, as a society?