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ckaihatsu
17th July 2009, 02:33
[labor_action] Israeli defense official: Israel is preparing to attack IRAN

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[Courtesy of marxmail.org] [From Haaretz:]

Israeli official: Israel readying for attack on Iran
By Amos Harel, Anshel Pfeffer and Jack Khoury, Haaretz Correspondents and Haaretz Service

Israel's recent deployment of warships across the Red Sea should be seen as serious preparation for an attack on Iran, an Israeli defense official told the Times of London on Thursday.

"This is preparation that should be taken seriously. Israel is investing time in preparing itself for the complexity of an attack on Iran. These maneuvers are a message to Iran that Israel will follow up on its threats," the official was quoted as saying.

Earlier this week, two Israel Navy gunboats openly sailed through the Suez Canal into the Red Sea.

The ships that passed through the Suez Canal on Tuesday were two Sa'ar 5 gunboats, the Hanit and the Eilat. This follows a similar incident in late June, when an Israeli Dolphin-class submarine passed through the canal, later returning the same way.

The move, apparently coordinated with Egypt, is seen as a warning message to Middle Eastern radicals, first and foremost Iran.

Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit confirmed the crossings and said that Cairo's agreements with Jerusalem permit Israeli military ships to transit the canal. He declined to speculate on whether the voyage was meant as a warning to Iran or anyone else.

While Israeli naval ships have gone through Suez before, the last such occurrence was at least a year ago.

An Israeli diplomat told the Times that Israel has been bolstering its ties with certain Arab nations just as wary of the Iranian nuclear threat. In particular, the diplomat cited a "shared mutual distrust of Iran" between Israel and Egypt.

Though neither side says so publicly, there is ongoing security coordination between Israel and Egypt, which could be expanded if necessary in the future....

Axle
17th July 2009, 03:11
I get a feeling like Israel, even though aggression isn't beyond them, was somewhat coerced by the US into this.

We're spread thin over two wars...it seems in character for us to call in a favor to another country to do work we want done but can't do...especially when the target is weakened by social upheaval.

Dimentio
17th July 2009, 03:16
I get a feeling like Israel, even though aggression isn't beyond them, was somewhat coerced by the US into this.

We're spread thin over two wars...it seems in character for us to call in a favor to another country to do work we want done but can't do...especially when the target is weakened by social upheaval.

This is actually the last thing the US would want. Even Bush was unwilling to attack Iran, since Iran is pivotal to keeping stability in Iraq. They have the Sadr army and the Iraqi government is dependent on pro-Iranian elements.

The change in US policy towards Iran actually began in 2006, after Rumsfeld was kicked out and Cheney's influence diminished.

Lynx
17th July 2009, 03:40
Is there a pressing deadline we're not aware of?

Axle
17th July 2009, 03:40
This is actually the last thing the US would want. Even Bush was unwilling to attack Iran, since Iran is pivotal to keeping stability in Iraq. They have the Sadr army and the Iraqi government is dependent on pro-Iranian elements.

The change in US policy towards Iran actually began in 2006, after Rumsfeld was kicked out and Cheney's influence diminished.

It would damage stability in Iraq, true, but it seems there exists some Western support for an Israeli attack on Iran.

n0thing
17th July 2009, 03:50
No fucking kidding. They weren't doing all those test runs for shits and giggles. Of course they're planning to attack Iran.

Lolshevik
17th July 2009, 05:49
This is terrible news. Though I really hope this doesn't come to pass, in the event of war between Israel and Iran, I would sincerely hope that all socialist groups in Israel (not to mention all of us abroad!) don't forget our commitment to revolutionary internationalism; for the condemnation of the aggression of Israel but also to make this imperialist war a civil war between the Israeli & Persian workers and bourgeoisie.

Yehuda Stern
17th July 2009, 08:09
This has been long in the making, but I really don't know if the Zionists can afford politically to attack Iran right now. I don't think they're desperate enough to do it without American backing; I think it is much more likely that they will only attack if something drastic happens, like a serious economic or political crisis in Israel that threatens the state's life.

ComradeR
17th July 2009, 09:49
Actually an impending attack by Israel with strong US backing is a real possibility given that the US said just yesterday that Iran's time is 'running out (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2009/07/20097162167629318.html)'.

h0m0revolutionary
17th July 2009, 11:58
Two Israeli warships have sailed into the Persian Gulf already, preperations or at least bizarre intimidation is very much underway:

http://hopinewsfromiran.wordpress.com/

h0m0revolutionary
17th July 2009, 12:03
This has been long in the making, but I really don't know if the Zionists can afford politically to attack Iran right now. I don't think they're desperate enough to do it without American backing; I think it is much more likely that they will only attack if something drastic happens, like a serious economic or political crisis in Israel that threatens the state's life.


But we've already seen two Israeli 'test strikes' - flying over the mediterranean and well as Congress spending $88billion upgrading the B52 bomber to enable them to carry a 13.6ton bomb called 'Massive Ordinance Penetrator' - not a small coincidence given the persumed location of many of Irans nuclear facilities (70miles underground)

I also don't think Israel nor the US could afford politically to attack Iran at this time, however they also can't afford to allow Irans unhindered regional expansionism, which has saw Iraq and, to a lesser extent, Afghanistan become very much under Iranian influence. Moreover imperialism isn't as loical as you persume, sure the cost of this war would be massive and the backlash would be felt (all around the world) for many, many decades, but imperialism isn't as rational as to consider this with any clarity.

Yehuda Stern
17th July 2009, 16:14
I guess you're right - but I think we still have time before a full blown war.

the last donut of the night
17th July 2009, 16:21
Holy fucking fuck. Because genocide isn't enough for the Zionists. If this war ever happens, I will personally volunteer myself as the first Communist Kamikaze to destroy both Iranian and Israeli ships. (Although I'm not too sure how that would be possible:confused:)>

Revy
17th July 2009, 16:51
The US government supports Israel attacking Iran. Some recent statements.

Vice President Biden:


In an interview on ABC's "This Week" program, Biden said Israel can determine for itself how best to deal with the threat of a nuclear-armed Iran.
"We cannot dictate to another sovereign nation what they can and cannot do when they make a determination, if they make a determination, that they're existentially threatened," Biden said.Secretary of State Hillary Clinton:


U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton Wednesday gave Iran an ultimatum to accept the administration's offer for engagement and join the international community or to 'continue down a path of further isolation.' She urged Arab states to take immediate steps to improve their ties with Israel in order to bolster Mideast peace hopes.
In a wide-ranging policy address to the Council on Foreign Relations, Clinton pledged that the U.S. will 'not hesitate to defend our friends, our interests, and above all, our people vigorously and when necessary with the world's strongest military.'Obama is trying to keep a low profile about it but he agrees with both these statements. I'm not sure I can find a recent statement like these two, but he has made numerous statements in the past (going back to at least 2004) about attacking Iran. It is naive to believe that he wouldn't give the go-ahead to Israel to attack Iran.

Guerrilla22
17th July 2009, 17:19
The US wouldn't want this because it would destabilize Iraq after they just got done pulling troops out of the major cities and the US military is currently tied up with an offensive in Afghanistan. There's also the issue of derailing the uprsining, which has hurt the Irainian regime.

Israel and the US do test launches and use intimidation tatics such as flyovers and entering the territorial waters of another country on a pretty regular basis. I'm sure there is a contingency plan in place to launch a strike against Iran in place, however I don't think we will see an attack against Iran in the near future.