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patria grande
16th July 2009, 23:37
By Eva Golinger


• The Department of State had prior knowledge of the coup.

• The Department of State and the US Congress funded and advised the actors and organizations in Honduras that participated in the coup.

• The Pentagon trained, schooled, commanded, funded and armed the Honduran armed forces that perpetrated the coup and that continue to repress the people of Honduras by force.

• The US military presence in Honduras, that occupies the Soto Cano (Palmerola) military base, authorized the coup d’etat through its tacit complicity and refusal to withdraw its support of the Honduran military involved in the coup.

• The US Ambassador in Tegucigalpa, Hugo Llorens, coordinated the removal from power of President Manuel Zelaya, together with Assistant Secretary of State Thomas Shannon and John Negroponte, who presently works as an advisor to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

• From the first day the coup occurred, Washington has referred to “both parties” involved and the necessity for “dialogue” to restore constitutional order, legitimizing the coup leaders by regarding them as equal players instead of criminal violators of human rights and democratic principles.

• The Department of State has refused to legally classify the events in Honduras as a “coup d’etat”, nor has it suspended or frozen its economic aid or commerce to Honduras, and has taken no measures to effectively pressure the de facto regime.

• Washington manipulated the Organization of American States (OAS) in order to buy time, therefore allowing the coup regime to consolidate as part of a strategy still in place that simply seeks to legitimate the de facto regime and wear down the Honduran people that still resist the coup.

• Secretary of State Clinton and her spokesmen stopped speaking of President Zelaya’s return to power after they designated Costa Rican president Oscar Arias as the “mediator” between the coup regime and the constitutional government; and now the State Department refers to the dictator that illegally took power during the coup, Roberto Micheletti, as the “interim caretaker president”.

• The strategy of “negotiating” with the coup regime was imposed by the Obama administration as a way of discrediting President Zelaya – blaming him for provoking the coup – and legitimizing the coup leaders.

• Members of the US Congress – democrats and republicans – organized a visit of representatives from the coup regime in Honduras to Washington, receiving them with honors in different arenas in the US capital.

• Despite the fact that originally it was Republican Senator John McCain who coordinated the visit of the coup regime representatives to Washington through a lobby firm connected to his office, The Cormac Group, now, the illegal regime is being representated by top notch lobbyist and Clinton attorney Lanny Davis, who is using his pull and influence in Washington to achieve overall acceptance – cross party lines – of the coup regime in Honduras.

• Otto Reich and a Venezuelan named Robert Carmona-Borjas, known for his role as attorney for the dictator Pedro Carmona during the April 2002 coup d’etat in Venezuela, aided in preparing the groundwork for the coup against President Zelaya in Honduras.

• The team designated from Washington to design and help prepare the coup in Honduras also included a group of US ambassadors recently named in Central America, experts in destabilizing efforts against the Cuban revolution, and Adolfo Franco, ex administrator for USAID’s Cuba “transition to democracy” program. and weaken the possibility of President Zelaya’s immediate return to power,


Complete article here (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14390)
In Spanish here (http://www.rebelion.org/noticia.php?id=88601)

What Would Durruti Do?
18th July 2009, 18:36
Not that I ever expected otherwise, I thought it was pretty obvious. Don't have to look much further than the complete apathy from the same mainstream western media that was all over the Iranian protests for proof.

but thanks for the article!

Charles Xavier
18th July 2009, 18:53
Thanks comrade.

Axle
18th July 2009, 20:31
Important information, however unsurprising.

Finding out the US had a hand in a coup in Latin America is about as much of a shock as finding salt in the ocean.

NecroCommie
18th July 2009, 20:51
THERE IS SALT IN THE OCEAN?!?!?!?!? :blink::blink::blink::blink:

ckaihatsu
18th July 2009, 21:38
• The US Ambassador in Tegucigalpa, Hugo Llorens, coordinated the removal from power of President Manuel Zelaya, together with Assistant Secretary of State Thomas Shannon and John Negroponte, who presently works as an advisor to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.


Quick!!! Does anyone have Zelaya's direct line??? We gotta tell him!!!

Really, though, does this make Zelaya a patsy or a hack?

redarmyfaction38
18th July 2009, 22:20
Important information, however unsurprising.

Finding out the US had a hand in a coup in Latin America is about as much of a shock as finding salt in the ocean.

nothing changes, electing a black president really made a difference.
democracy is a joke.
apart from that, i think it might be cheerio time.
too much theory not enough reality imo.
bye bye rev left.

n0thing
18th July 2009, 22:21
This story comes from a very conspiracy-heavy site. I haven't looked into the evidence properly yet, but try not to get too excited about this. At least until you either get this from a decent source or look through the evidence properly. The people on that site write an awful lot of shit.

LOLseph Stalin
18th July 2009, 22:23
This doesn't surprise me one bit. If you look back the US has been involved in attempting to overthrow almost every single government in South America they disapproved of. There's Cuba, Guatemala, various others, and now Honduras. You would think that after a few failed attempts they would back off. Oh wait, that's against US foreign policy... :rolleyes:

ckaihatsu
18th July 2009, 22:44
i think it might be cheerio time.
too much theory not enough reality imo.
bye bye rev left.


Sorry to hear it -- while on your new, reality-encompassed path just please keep in mind that a widely accepted theory *equals* social reality -- see:


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Kamerat
18th July 2009, 23:39
Even tho this source come from a very conspiracy-heavy site. We all know the people that made this coup are trained by the Empire to do exactly what they do now. Take power through military means and eliminate leading leftist when politics are heading left.

n0thing
19th July 2009, 00:10
Even tho this source come from a very conspiracy-heavy site. We all know the people that made this coup are trained by the Empire to do exactly what they do now. Take power through military means and eliminate leading leftist when politics are heading left.

Yeah, but that doesn't mean the US is directly accountable for everything the School Of America graduates do. They're certainly accountable, but not in the sense that we can point to them as having a conscious and direct hand in all these conflicts.

The evidence looks very dubious and I'm not hearing this story from any of the usual reliable sources. So I'm going to dismiss it until something else arises.

I still think the most likely scenario is that the coup was carried out independently by the Honduran armed forces looking to protect the interests of a wide array of companies, probably both local and international. That imperialist Capitalist mindset isn't exclusive to America.

Obama will probably support the coup by recognizing the new Honduran government as soon as politically feasible; but I don't think he's gone, or will go, any deeper than that.

Kamerat
19th July 2009, 00:30
Yeah, but that doesn't mean the US is directly accountable for everything the School Of America graduates do. They're certainly accountable, but not in the sense that we can point to them as having a conscious and direct hand in all these conflicts.

The evidence looks very dubious and I'm not hearing this story from any of the usual reliable sources. So I'm going to dismiss it until something else arises.

I still think the most likely scenario is that the coup was carried out independently by the Honduran armed forces looking to protect the interests of a wide array of companies, probably both local and international. That imperialist Capitalist mindset isn't exclusive to America.

Obama will probably support the coup by recognizing the new Honduran government as soon as politically feasible; but I don't think he's gone, or will go, any deeper than that.
I agree. The Empire is just indirectly accountable for everything the School Of America graduates do. They was/are leting the coup happen and are just denouncing the coup d'eta a little bit so the other OAS countrys and the rest of the international community wont suspect anything.

ckaihatsu
19th July 2009, 00:56
I agree. The Empire is just indirectly accountable for everything the School Of America graduates do. They was/are leting the coup happen and are just denouncing the coup d'eta a little bit so the other OAS countrys and the rest of the international community wont suspect anything.


To refine this -- organizations, by their nature, suffer from *groupthink* and *organizational inertia* -- being larger bodies it is more difficult to get them to move (leftward), and so they *won't* if they don't absolutely *have to*. It's more realistic to *get rid of* older, slower-moving institutions and to *replace them* with newer, organic rank-and-file organizations that are more likely to represent the *genuine* interests of the working class. (This goes for replacing the economic system / institution of *capitalism* itself, as well....)

Initially, in response to the coup, there was a leftward-moving series of political events that leveraged the popular revulsion with the coup into leftward motion running through larger, conventional organizations like the OAS, but that political current ended quickly and now the inertia has reasserted itself -- instead of going further out on a limb the conventional organizations have the luxury of sitting back and looking to Zelaya as the point-man for all of this, regardless of the fact that his very action of "negotiating" means that he has long since ceased to represent the best interests of the Honduran people.

jake williams
19th July 2009, 01:02
I don't think any of this is evidence that the US instigated the coup. The terminology is key. It's evident that they support it, and yes, the elite in Latin America as a whole is US-backed, has been for two hundred years, and actually is more and more so as the Left grows and the elite panics. If by "behind" it, you mean that the US is a world empire and has some role, if only by omission, in pretty much everything that happens, then yes, Washington is certainly "behind" the coup. If by "behind" it you even mean that Washington supports the coup, then that's fairly obvious too: you'd have to be insane to argue that it doesn't have the power to to reinstate Zelaya, and so the fact that Micheletti is still de facto president means that, okay, Washington supports the coup. In fact Obama admitted as much in stating that the US was against Zelaya everything else being equal.

But there's actually unusually and surprisingly little evidence that Washington actually directly instigated this any other way. Usually in situations like this it's actually planned in the embassy or something. Until we have more evidence, it really looks like the only roles it had were setting up a situation in which it could occur, and supporting it after it happened. I'm not saying this is not a type of responsibility; it's just obvious that it's responsible in that way and you don't need any special investigative skills to figure that out.