How Do You Live In Capitalism?

[Richard Nixon]

How do you live under the capitalist system and how much to participate in it? For instance do you buy things at stores and other enterprises, do you work for private enterprises, and so on.

[Ovi]

I try to adapt as little as possible. I work as a freelancer, I hate that so many people BELIEVE their sole goal in life is to have as much as possible and I struggle to spread the ideas to others...

[Nwoye]

:rolleyes:

[Kamerat]

How do you live under the capitalist system
I live as a hippy out in the forest. No roof over my head. Living of air and love. Every commie should not participate in the capitalist system or else they are just a hypocrite.

and how much to participate in it?
None.

For instance do you buy things at stores and other enterprises,
I dont need to buy things when i live of air and love

do you work for private enterprises, and so on.
Air and love is the only thing the cappies has yet to make private property of, so its free. No need to work as wage slave for a cappie to get it.


If you did not detect any sarcasm in the answers above your a remarkable stupid cappie. How can a commie not participate in the capitalistic system when the capitalist own every property. Property which all people are dependent on to make a living/survive of.

[Dr Mindbender]

How do you live under the capitalist system and how much to participate in it? For instance do you buy things at stores and other enterprises, do you work for private enterprises, and so on.

Its almost impossible to live under capitalism reasonably without sustaining it in some way. That is one of the characteristics that i find so reprehensible about it.

[Dr Mindbender]

I live as a hippy out in the forest..

How the fuck did you get a computer and a wifi signal then?

[Kamerat]

How the fuck did you get a computer and a wifi signal then?
Good question.:tt2:

[danyboy27]

i work in a buisness and i am saving money to start my own in a fews year.

i dont especially love capitalist but eh, i live in so, i do what i can to be my own boss and earn my freedom this way.

[Richard Nixon]

If you truly think the capitalist system is immoral, not just ineffective or worse but immoral wouldn't it be more moral for you to be a beggar then to hold a job?

[LOLseph Stalin]

I live in Capitalism the same way the rest of us do: I learn to deal with it. As much as I hate the system, it's still almost impossible to get away from it since they control absolutely everything.

[Dr Mindbender]

If you truly think the capitalist system is immoral, not just ineffective or worse but immoral wouldn't it be more moral for you to be a beggar then to hold a job?

No, because begging doesnt undermine class boundaries; it enforces them.

[JimmyJazz]

How do you live under the capitalist system and how much to participate in it? For instance do you buy things at stores and other enterprises, do you work for private enterprises, and so on.


If you truly think the capitalist system is immoral, not just ineffective or worse but immoral wouldn't it be more moral for you to be a beggar then to hold a job?

stop posting.

[OneNamedNameLess]

There are still a significant number of people who try to live an autonomous lifestyle and minimise their dependence on capitalism. You can find them in many major European cities including London, Athens, Barcelona, Amsterdam I think, and a few others. They are mainly Anarchists who squat buildings, dumpster dive and so on.

Personally, as capitalism is the dominant economic system I find it difficult to avoid boycotting completely. I do attempt to avoid unethical products and buy second hand and the like and manage rather well. It's just a personal choice and wont make much of an impact .

[Blake's Baby]

It won't make much of an impact because 1 - as indivuals we have no power in capitalism, and 2 - there is no clean money.

Not that I'm ragging on you, I do the same - try to avoid things that turn my stomach thinking about, even if it's harder sometimes.

We get by, as best we can, and work to overthrow the system.

Unless, like Kamerat, we are so in tune with air and love that we can persuade them to turn themselves into wifi signals. And food. Not that Kamerat needs food. Kamerat is a Revolutionary Techno-Buddha. We all aspire to love air like him, her and it (for to be Kamerat is to be all and one. With the air of love.):thumbup1:

[Jack]

I drink to escape it.

[#FF0000]

If you truly think the capitalist system is immoral, not just ineffective or worse but immoral wouldn't it be more moral for you to be a beggar then to hold a job?

Morality isn't what it's about.

[Kwisatz Haderach]

If you truly think the capitalist system is immoral, not just ineffective or worse but immoral wouldn't it be more moral for you to be a beggar then to hold a job?
Um, no, because the immoral part is being an owner of the means of production, not buying stuff or holding a job. In fact, the people holding jobs are otherwise known as the working class - you know, that class that we expect to overthrow capitalism in a revolution.

You cannot live outside the system unless you live outside society.

[Gleb]

If you truly think the capitalist system is immoral, not just ineffective or worse but immoral wouldn't it be more moral for you to be a beggar then to hold a job?

Nah, just read into what the point of Marxist ideology really is and it'd save you tons of moronic questions and arguments you are now torturing us with.

But let's just keep it really simple;

It's not about morals really, it's just that relationship of explotation doesn't represent the material interests of the working class, those who work, i.e. most people around. It's that simple really and has nothing to do with concept of "morality" that in the end is pretty artificial doncha think? Of course you don't.

But I want you to understand what I'm saying so I'm going to post a little essay for people like you, with comprehension level of a child who's five bloody years old.

Exploitation for actually dumb people
by Gleb

Exploiter bad.

Exploiter exploits and creates a society based on concept of wage slavery that forces an individual to sell her labour or to be plunged into poverty or perhaps even death.
Thus, exploited is working because she has no real choice and because it's not immoral being fucked over unless you're some messed up fascist social darwinist douchebag I assume you're not. It'd be just really stupid if you weren't forced by conditions that be to do it. Forrrrccccccc'd.

Exploited not bad.

[mikelepore]

Personally, I'm a Marxist who believes that morality is essential to analyzing capitalism versus socialism. Without a moral reference there would be no way to say that there's anything unacceptable about the whole world being blown up, or fascism enslaving society. As soon as you have a preference and a goal, it's a moral position. Other kinds of judgements and decision-making criteria do exist for us, such as mathematic solutions and sensual pleasures, but they aren't applicable. To have a preference about the social outcomes -- whether you're an organizational activist or an armchair philosopher, either way -- it's a moral judgement.

[trivas7]

Personally, I'm a Marxist who believes that morality is essential to analyzing capitalism versus socialism. Without a moral reference there would be no way to say that there's anything unacceptable about the whole world being blown up, or fascism enslaving society. As soon as you have a preference and a goal, it's a moral position. Other kinds of judgements and decision-making criteria do exist for us, such as mathematic solutions and sensual pleasures, but they aren't applicable. To have a preference about the social outcomes -- whether you're an organizational activist or an armchair philosopher, either way -- it's a moral judgement.
So do you agree w/ Hume that moral judgments principally express our feelings?

[Bud Struggle]

How do you live under the capitalist system and how much to participate in it? I will survive! Gloria Gaynor.

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

Right now, I'm a student. Previously, I've held various minimum wage jobs. I worked hard, paid the bills. You know what I mean? The stuff regular people do?

How do you capitalists live under the system? Looking for children to steal candy from? Calculating the lowest possible wage you can pay your employees? Colluding with the fat cats in the back room?

Except for the second point, you probably behave like everyone else. Well, maybe the third if you work in oil. It's the system that's a problem.

[Axle]

Socialists in capitalist societies can't help but be forced into hypocrisy, but there's no way around it. The best bet is to try to limit the hypocrisy as much as possible.

I work, I got to school...most of my money is tied up in bills...but when I shop, I only go to stores that are unionized.

Every now and then I'll buy a book or a movie, but mostly I just download movies and music and the like for free.

[Rosa Provokateur]

How do you live under the capitalist system and how much to participate in it? For instance do you buy things at stores and other enterprises, do you work for private enterprises, and so on.

You know that computer you're typing on, my sweat-shop factory in Bangladesh made it. I got the shop through a sweet deal a buddy of mine in Century 21 gave me and now he's helping me get the deed to your house.

Yay.

[Kukulofori]

Right now I'm working on finding a job (preferably as a firefighter or paramedic) that I can use to get my Teaching English as a Foreign Language certificate, which will let me travel all over and teach people English and learn from different cultures. I intend to live in a car or a squat too. Most of what i do for entertainment is video games, so by pirating I've already pretty much severely limited my consumerism. The only recreation I use money for is trading card games, which are imo one of the coolest parts of capitalism that I don't see being quite the same afterwards so I want to enjoy it while I can.

Dunno about yall but I like to practice what I preach.

[AlMack]

^^ you cant boycott capitalism mate. tackling it from the wrong end of the wedge. if youre not bourgoisie you cant really be accused not practising what you preach

[Kukulofori]

Sure I can, it makes no sense whatsoever to willingly participate in a system and then go online to complain about how exploited you are.

[AlMack]

no you cannot, its impossible. we live in a capitalist world. the only way to choose not to 'participate' is to commit suicide or live a hunter gather life in the middle of nowhere. im sure there are many threads explaining how lifestylism is fruitless already

[Kukulofori]

Lifestylism is fruitless if it's all you do, you have to actively revolt in the mean time. If you look at Che/Lenin/any revolutionary ever they didn't overthrow the world order by going to college and getting a cushy job as a white male in the first world.

[danyboy27]

Lifestylism is fruitless if it's all you do, you have to actively revolt in the mean time. If you look at Che/Lenin/any revolutionary ever they didn't overthrow the world order by going to college and getting a cushy job as a white male in the first world.

humm, whut?

che/lenin where highly educated. please choose another revolutionary and
press enter.

[Vincent P.]

While waiting for the revolution (I hate saying waiting as if it will come out of the blue...):

1/ I'm working hard to give freelance guitar and languages lessons next year.
2/ I promote and live as much as possible on DIY and anything that is free.
3/ I spread the word.

[Lumpen Bourgeois]

If you truly think the capitalist system is immoral, not just ineffective or worse but immoral wouldn't it be more moral for you to be a beggar then to hold a job?

As someone has previously mentioned, it's almost inexorable that anyone living under the capitalist system will have contributed to its subsistence, no matter how hard one tries to avoid it.

Libertarians and several fiscal conservatives feel that the welfare state is morally deplorable, but the overwhelming majority of them still pay taxes to maintain the same "collectivist tyranny" that they so despise. We just have to deal with the harsh reality that sometimes our everyday actions will inevitably contradict our moral outlooks.

[Kukulofori]

I wouldn't consider libertarians or fiscal conservatives revolutionary either. Guess why.


che/lenin where highly educated. please choose another revolutionary and
press enter. That's correct, and neither of them did anything for the revolution until they realised that what they were doing was bullshit or futile and dedicated themselves to the revolution. Both of them spent most of their time afterwards living in poverty.

[WhitemageofDOOM]

I'm a useless aristocrat. I live in luxury and never have to do a day of work in my life.
I'd still get more out of socialism than i get from capitalism.

Capitalism only benefits a tiny tiny minority, even people like me who seem to live the high life are worse off under it than they would be under capitalism. I may not be exploited like the vast, vast majority but i am in a far more precarious position than I'd like.

[Jimmie Higgins]

If you truly think the capitalist system is immoral, not just ineffective or worse but immoral wouldn't it be more moral for you to be a beggar then to hold a job?

I don't believe the system is immoral; that would be like calling cancer or a fire immoral. I believe it is an unsustainable system that oppresses people in order to function; it is harmful to me an everyone I know. I am a materialist so I deal with reality and that means playing the game we have (i.e. being a worker in capitalism) while trying to build for a world where I can help others like me win control of our own lives and live together democratically and without oppression.

What I do on a daily basis is work because I have to in order to have a place to live and a computer. I try to sustain myself so I can have a much fun as possible and can use my skills and free-time to try and build a better world. Oh my god, radicals are regular people - run, we may be sitting next to you on the bus or serving you your lunch or driving trucks that bring your food to the store!