Swearing on the Bible

[Havet]

kOJRYC0mRwU

George Carling FTW

[Havet]

V510t0ecluY

sure i agree with this, but what does this have to do with Religion?

Was this meant to imply (as i have noticed you thanking a lot of posts counter arguing what i was saying in other threads) that because i like george carlin on religion, i wouldnt cease to like his matters on religion because he held that "political" opinion? Boy did that backfired!

[Havet]

Oh boy! Free markets and freedom have won. I'm so glad.

evading the question, very smart

Was this meant to imply that because i like george carlin on religion, i wouldnt cease to like his matters on religion because he held that "political" opinion?

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

Random question. Can an athiest swear on the Bible in court without it being seen as a legal issue? I can just see a jury reacting to "this guy is an atheist" either by making him swear differently or not at all.

[Havet]

Random question. Can an athiest swear on the Bible in court without it being seen as a legal issue? I can just see a jury reacting to "this guy is an atheist" either by making him swear differently or not at all.

haha that'd be fun

Man in court: "you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you god?"

Atheist (george carlin inspired): "Yeah, i'll tell you as much truth as the people who wrote that fcking bible, how to do you like that?"

Atheist2: You know, i'd prefer you'd check if the bible isn't an upwards chinese braille bible with half the pages missing. :lol:

[Bud Struggle]

kOJRYC0mRwU

George Carling FTW

Carlin's point of view is that there are no "rights" There are just winners and loosers. No right no wrong--just winners and loosers. Something to be said for that.

[Havet]

Carlin's point of view is that there are no "rights" There are just winners and loosers. No right no wrong--just winners and loosers. Something to be said for that.

Carlin's point of view is that there are no rights. There are only state-enforced PRIVILEGES.

[Bud Struggle]

Carlin's point of view is that there are no rights. There are only state-enforced PRIVILEGES.


And fine with that--there are those that can AFFORD such things. The rest--:(

Winners and loosers.

[Demogorgon]

Random question. Can an athiest swear on the Bible in court without it being seen as a legal issue? I can just see a jury reacting to "this guy is an atheist" either by making him swear differently or not at all.It was a problem in the Seventeenth Century. Of course these days you can always take an affirmation in place of an oath. That is what atheists do as do others with objections from taking oaths, Quakers for instance and other Christians who see certain parts of the Bible as forbidding oaths.

The concept of oath is popular on television but you can always ask to take an affirmation instead. Watch swearing in ceremonies of politicians for instance. You get it less often in America, only two Presidents have taken affirmations rather than oaths for instance, but in Britain you will see many affirming rather than swearing.

Interestingly enough, in the Scottish Parliament I believe that the affirmation is by far the norm as even those who are Christians with no objections to oaths seek to avoid it as they are rquired to swear fealty to the Queen whereas many MSPs are Republicans, so they take the affirmation thinking it will be less hypocritical! Which is ironic given the reason the affirmation was brought in in Britain was so that those who could not or would not take an oath could should loyalty to the monarch :lol:

Anyway disregarding these tangents if anyone ever asks you to swear an oath in formal circumstances, ask to take an affirmation instead.

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

My worry is that a jury of Christians seeing you request an affirmation might take that into consideration during a ruling as a "reflection of character."

[Demogorgon]

My worry is that a jury of Christians seeing you request an affirmation might take that into consideration during a ruling as a "reflection of character."
I suppose it is a risk. But jurors are vetted before a trial and also given a bit of "training" before it begins and are very strictly instructed regarding these things.

Also in most places affirmations are standard and not remarked upon. The notion of everyone swearing on the Bible is very old fashioned. A lot of people swear on the Koran after all and affirmations are as I say, common.

Not to mention that several Christian denominations actually ban swearing on the Bible so they take affirmations too. It doesn't say much about what a person's beliefs might be.

[RedRise]

Personally I would think that if you weren't Christian, or didn't believe in the Bible, swearing on it wouldn't count!
I think it really sucks that just because most of America is Christian, everyone else has to fit in.
:confused:What if you belonged to a religion that didn't have a holy book? (like me) Or what if you religion was polytheistic? (again, like me) Would you swear on one of your Gods or Goddesses? And would there be rules about which one? What if your Gods did not approve of stuff like that and it would sacrilege?:confused:
At this point everything gets too picky and it would be easier not to swear on anything at all. I mean, does anyone think it would stop someone from lying?
In fact, it puts the court system at a disadvantage because they then automatically believe that the person is telling the truth! Silly or what?:laugh:

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I'd rather swear by my balls. That's how the ancient Romans used to do it! :D

[RedRise]

And what exactly do we girls swear on?

What i'd like to know is why does everything have to be based on religion all the time!
Why can't we swear on our moral values or something, since that's what religion is supposed to be about.

[Havet]

And what exactly do we girls swear on?

What i'd like to know is why does everything have to be based on religion all the time!
Why can't we swear on our moral values or something, since that's what religion is supposed to be about.

what does it matter if you are a girl or a boy? swear on whatever you want.

Btw, just remmembered something. I'm sure this will sound pretty sexist, but george carlin once said:

"Sometimes i'd say I swear on my Mother's Tits". Kids are impressed with stuff like that. I mean, i don't care about my mother's tits even if they fell off. Not my problem. They're your tits ma, you keep an eye on them!"

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

And what exactly do we girls swear on?

Hey, I was stating my own preference, not making recommendations for others.

[NecroCommie]

The whole swearing on the bible thing is ridiculous for atheists.
I know what I would do, I would start an argument on what good is it if I sweared. Considering that I am an anti-statist ateist they would have little reasoning with me, and sooner or later they would have to resort to the "swear or we will punish you"-card. Then I would go: "A-ha! I knew you would have to come to that, because in reality that is the only power you possess!" Then they would just have to go silent. :cool:

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

The whole swearing on the bible thing is ridiculous for atheists.
I know what I would do, I would start an argument on what good is it if I sweared. Considering that I am an anti-statist ateist they would have little reasoning with me, and sooner or later they would have to resort to the "swear or we will punish you"-card. Then I would go: "A-ha! I knew you would have to come to that, because in reality that is the only power you possess!" Then they would just have to go silent. :cool:

Or you get a nightstick broken over your head for being a smart-arse. :lol:

[Dervish]

And what exactly do we girls swear on?
You can swear by NoXion's balls

[Havet]

The whole swearing on the bible thing is ridiculous for atheists.
I know what I would do, I would start an argument on what good is it if I sweared. Considering that I am an anti-statist ateist they would have little reasoning with me, and sooner or later they would have to resort to the "swear or we will punish you"-card. Then I would go: "A-ha! I knew you would have to come to that, because in reality that is the only power you possess!" Then they would just have to go silent. :cool:

unfortunately they'd probably charge you with disobedience as soon as you started arguing.:(

[Jazzratt]

I'd rather swear on the fact I don't want to be charged with perjury.

[SouthernBelle82]

I don't like swearing on the Bible and find it insulting (and I'm a Christian). I can't remember where but there is a verse that says "Let your yes be your yes and your no be your no. Anything else is from the Evil one."

[SouthernBelle82]

It was a problem in the Seventeenth Century. Of course these days you can always take an affirmation in place of an oath. That is what atheists do as do others with objections from taking oaths, Quakers for instance and other Christians who see certain parts of the Bible as forbidding oaths.

The concept of oath is popular on television but you can always ask to take an affirmation instead. Watch swearing in ceremonies of politicians for instance. You get it less often in America, only two Presidents have taken affirmations rather than oaths for instance, but in Britain you will see many affirming rather than swearing.

Interestingly enough, in the Scottish Parliament I believe that the affirmation is by far the norm as even those who are Christians with no objections to oaths seek to avoid it as they are rquired to swear fealty to the Queen whereas many MSPs are Republicans, so they take the affirmation thinking it will be less hypocritical! Which is ironic given the reason the affirmation was brought in in Britain was so that those who could not or would not take an oath could should loyalty to the monarch :lol:

Anyway disregarding these tangents if anyone ever asks you to swear an oath in formal circumstances, ask to take an affirmation instead.

Yep. A few summers ago I got called for jury duty and before you got your number and all that you had to swear and they did the "affirmation" thing. They just said "Do you swear or affirm."