[UK]32 fascists arrested. 300 weapons seized.

[Bitter Ashes]

I think the facist warning level just went up a notch or two! (Maybe this should be posted on other boards in Revleft too to draw more attention to it?)



A network of suspected far-right extremists with access to 300 weapons and 80 bombs has been uncovered by counter-terrorism detectives.

Thirty-two people have been questioned in a police operation that raises the prospect of a right-wing bombing campaign against mosques. Police are said to have recovered a British National party membership card and other right-wing literature during a raid on the home of one suspect charged under the Terrorism Act.
more

http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.com/2009/07/bomb-seizures-spark-far-right-terror.html

original source

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6638139.ece


I think it highlights how dangerous it is that the police are falling to the far right. There was 32 guys they arrested there with like 300 weapons. If the police were infiltrated to the point of turning a blind eye, who would stop them? Take 635, in West Yorkshire where this happened, for an example. I dont think they're capable of holding off 32 facists who are armed for war with thier membership and considering that they're not armed. I think we might be on the borderline of something really bad nationwide and I'm not sure we're prepared to counter it.

[Pogue]

I think the facist warning level just went up a notch or two! (Maybe this should be posted on other boards in Revleft too to draw more attention to it?)


more

http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.com/2009/07/bomb-seizures-spark-far-right-terror.html

original source

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6638139.ece


I think it highlights how dangerous it is that the police are falling to the far right. There was 32 guys they arrested there with like 300 weapons. If the police were infiltrated to the point of turning a blind eye, who would stop them? Take 635, in West Yorkshire where this happened, for an example. I dont think they're capable of holding off 32 facists who are armed for war with thier membership and considering that they're not armed. I think we might be on the borderline of something really bad nationwide and I'm not sure we're prepared to counter it.

I think your running on pretty dubious evidence that 635 were meaningfully 'infiltrated'.

[Bitter Ashes]

I think your running on pretty dubious evidence that 635 were meaningfully 'infiltrated'.
Yeah. I read throught the comments on that thread and though that maybe there was a point there. I'm talking about the police, which we already know has connections to the far-right already. If that association gets bigger, then they may start turning a blind eye to stuff like this and that leaves us relying on Antifa and 635 to counter these facists totaly. Are they up to the job you think?

[Pogue]

Yeah. I read throught the comments on that thread and though that maybe there was a point there. I'm talking about the police, which we already know has connections to the far-right already. If that association gets bigger, then they may start turning a blind eye to stuff like this and that leaves us relying on Antifa and 635 to counter these facists totaly. Are they up to the job you think?

No one in Antifa or 635 thinks that they are going to be the ones to 'do the job'.

[Bitter Ashes]

No one in Antifa or 635 thinks that they are going to be the ones to 'do the job'.
That's worrying tbh. When (not "if") the police side with facism, these nutcases are going to be running around unopposed. Lets just hope those Antifa groups are more powerful and willing than I originaly thought.

[Pogue]

That's worrying tbh. When (not "if") the police side with facism, these nutcases are going to be running around unopposed. Lets just hope those Antifa groups are more powerful and willing than I originaly thought.

I don't think you understand. Antifa doesn't see itself as the organisation which will defeat fascism. Only the mass and militant action of the working class can do that. If fascism became a mass movement we'd need the working class to fight it. Antifa is not made up of supermen who can alone defeat fascism, its just made up of class conciouss revolutionaries who see the need to confront the fascists in the here and now, to stop them organising, to prevent them being able to get in a position to threaten the class or movement.

[The Ungovernable Farce]

To be fair, how many hundreds of thousands of black and Asian people are there in the UK? I think our ethnic minority population could easily annihilate 32 fascist nutcases with or without the assistance of a small group of anarchists. The BNP are an actual threat; the rest of the far-right is just a distraction.

[Bitter Ashes]

To be fair, how many hundreds of thousands of black and Asian people are there in the UK? I think our ethnic minority population could easily annihilate 32 fascist nutcases with or without the assistance of a small group of anarchists. The BNP are an actual threat; the rest of the far-right is just a distraction.
The thing that concerns me is that this is the third time in the last few months that facists armed with bombs and firearms have been caught in West Yorkshire. Whether they're part of a bigger organisation that's arming them, or just individual nutters I dont know, but it's worrying to see the far-right "tooling up" en masse

[rednordman]

To be fair, how many hundreds of thousands of black and Asian people are there in the UK? I think our ethnic minority population could easily annihilate 32 fascist nutcases with or without the assistance of a small group of anarchists. The BNP are an actual threat; the rest of the far-right is just a distraction.Thats not the point really though, Im actually shocked that they have uncovered such a large arsenal. It may not sound that much, but believe me, its enough to inflict ALOT of damage.

I know that there is a rising number of sympathisers of the far-right within the UK, but never assumed that they took it THAT seriously.

On another note, I do not think that the police are falling to the fascists until there is an attack or death. They can look and find loads of weapons and fanatics, but so long as they are always one step ahead and no-one gets hurt, I can only commend them. The moment someone gets hurt or police seem to be collaberating with them, it becomes another story, obviously.

[Holden Caulfield]

Basically what Haywood said is correct, but I wanna add this:


Yeah. I read throught the comments on that thread and though that maybe there was a point there. I'm talking about the police, which we already know has connections to the far-right already. If that association gets bigger, then they may start turning a blind eye to stuff like this and that leaves us relying on Antifa and 635 to counter these facists totaly. Are they up to the job you think?

Firstly 635 are and have not been 'infiltrated' and you shouldnt perpetuate this idea, it is simply not true.

Secondly, fascist extremeists have consistently been arming themselves for a -fictional- racial holy war through-out their history, be that the likes of Soho (sucessful) or BPP and recent BNP bombers (unsuccessful) or ultra-loyalists and boneheads to collect weapons. As dangerous to individual anti-fascists, immigrants, and to anyother poor sod who might happen to get in the way they are not the real fascist threat in this country, they are perhaps the foot soldiers of future counter revolution but still they are a tiny tiny minority of people.

We cannot allow ourselves to concentrate on the fringe lunatics and find ourselves caught in a underground 'gang-war' with these people, as this is not the principal point of antifascism, combatting and disrupting large fascist movements is, if we do this sucessfully other successes will follow. Nutzis seem to think being more dangerous or violent will give them mass appeal to the working class? This is wrong, if you want your proof look at how pathetic the claims and posturing of past nutzi infiltrators are.

I'm sure these 'lone wolves' like to think of themselves as white revolutionaries, but they are not, look at how fascism comes to power: Hitler abandoned street politics as his means to power, Mussolini's march on Rome was not a military march, it was a victory parade etc etc...

To clarify: Yes there are nutters on the far right, yes they are a danger to antifascism and society, but they are not the principal threat to the revolutionary movement, and even if they were antifa are not the ones to single handedly defeat them.

[piet11111]

i really doubt we would see Weimar like situations where armed ex soldiers and thugs roam the streets (the freikorps) but they seem eager to do so.

[redSHARP]

uhhh...as the great robot from lost is space once said; "DANGER DANGER!!!"

this is clearly not good news and maybe should be followed up on. any more arrests like these in the past year?

[Bitter Ashes]

uhhh...as the great robot from lost is space once said; "DANGER DANGER!!!"

this is clearly not good news and maybe should be followed up on. any more arrests like these in the past year?
There was 3 other individual arrests in the last few months in the local area. Again it was facists. Again they were armed with firearms and explosives. One time they recovered a map with mosques marked on it, although it could have easily had Redwatch's stuff on there instead. Swastika's have started appearing on the walls around where I live and I'm encountering more and more people, some as young as 18, lured to facism (albiet they didnt consider it facism, so were not the Hitler-fans). The BNP also gained its first MEP nearby and after looking at the BNP memberlist, there's at least 20 BNP activists in my town.

If I say it doesnt concern me then I'll be lieing and also be seen as some kind of internet-hard(wo)man, so I'll be honest; I'm thinking I should get off my butt sooner rather than later.

[redSHARP]

hmmm...go get organized. start covering the graffiti with some stencils; low level activity can easily make fence sitters aware that the fascists are idiots and are not welcome in your town. start organizing hardcore punk nights to get kids away from hanging with nazis.

[Manifesto]

There had to be more fascists. I mean that is like each of them having 10 weapons each who needs that many?

[bcbm]

In other news, 32 revolutionary leftists arrested, 300 bongs seized.

[Omi]

In other news, 32 revolutionary leftists arrested, 300 bongs seized.


I love you.

[Rusty Shackleford]

There had to be more fascists. I mean that is like each of them having 10 weapons each who needs that many?

they like variety?

my guess is that its for future members. so they have enough to supply many 'troops'

[pastradamus]

they like variety?

my guess is that its for future members. so they have enough to supply many 'troops'


300 weapons is enough to start a terrorist campagin - I assure you.
I suspect that the membership of this organisation has something to do or is Combat 18.

I doubt these weapons are intended for Future members as I believe that their numbers already exist. At the end of the Day fascists like to play "army man".

Though hopefully police will release a report of the ordinance they had, how much fire capability, how much ammunition and what type of explosives they had - This will tell us a lot about their advancement.

If the firepower Is is of a high enough level then I sternly believe they were procured from Loyalists groups in Northern Ireland with strong connections to the BNP and to Combat 18 (as both have a presence in Loyalist areas of the north). We have recently seen the UDA decommision some of their weapons - its understandable that some of these weapons were sold on or handed over to fascist groups in England. Its only too evident that when the IRA decommisioned a few years back that some of the supply of advanced weapons including RPG's and Kalashnikovs fell into criminal hands especially in Limerick, Cork, Dublin and Belfast.

But again we'll have to hope for a full police ordinance report. One can only hope they were using outdated technology and that this was all they had.

[Holden Caulfield]

Combat 18.


Doesn't really exist anymore (meaning the people who were C18 'top boys' are either in jail, or sensibly keeping their heads down, thats absence of actual scary nazis is why we have twats like Wigan Mike posturing around) however some of its members may still be active on the far right. More likely another group of nazis have assumed the name if anything (B&H people or ultra-nationalist loyalists most likely).

Just musings though, I don't have any facts to back these thoughts up with...

[Colonello Buendia]

The Idea that antifa and 635 are the last bastion against fascist uprising has been throughly disreputed, but as an addendum, how the fuck would a relatively small group of revolutionaries with no fire arms beat 32 fascists with 10 weapons each? It would be impossible.

These gun-nutzis are marginalised fringe members, they will do no harm to anyone but a few unlucky sods, if that I mean if someone gets shot the police will head straight for that baldy **** with a sturmgewher

[Bitter Ashes]

The Idea that antifa and 635 are the last bastion against fascist uprising has been throughly disreputed, but as an addendum, how the fuck would a relatively small group of revolutionaries with no fire arms beat 32 fascists with 10 weapons each? It would be impossible.

These gun-nutzis are marginalised fringe members, they will do no harm to anyone but a few unlucky sods, if that I mean if someone gets shot the police will head straight for that baldy **** with a sturmgewher

Throwing rocks and rolling big logs down a hill might have worked for the Ewoks, but I agree that it's unlikely to help us much.

The real worry for me is me wondering whether this was the source of all those recent arrests of individuals nazis who were armed, or whether this is just the tip of the iceberg. 32 guys armed or not wouldnt be able to stage a coup, or do any more damage than, as you said "a few unlucky sods", but if there's a lot more then it could well be time to start thinking. Remember too, that assuming that the police do not ally with the facists, any clampdown on political groups with any revolutionary ideas will surely include the left too.

[Holden Caulfield]

Politics is about mass movements, material conditions, economics, long periods of struggle not about who has the most guns, the most violent members or the biggest penis.

If it was the American far right would have shot their way to 'freedom' ages ago...

keep it realistic people

[Colonello Buendia]

absolutely, the fact that the fash have a few guns means nothing, few of them would know how to use them and they don't have public support and they would only be met by thousands of angry people if they tried any shit

[Melbourne Lefty]

absolutely, the fact that the fash have a few guns means nothing,


except they can use them to shoot a few innocent people of course.

[Pogue]

except they can use them to shoot a few innocent people of course.

Any nutter could do this really.

[RedRooskie]

Damn these people make me sick, good thing they got cought