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amandevsingh
5th July 2009, 00:23
http://struggle.net/proletarism/index.htm?cco

What do you think of the 'Split from past Communist states'.

I think it is a rather lame attempt at ignoring the past, instead of fixing it in our theory. :closedeyes:

ArrowLance
6th July 2009, 03:10
I agree disowning prior Communist experiments is nothing more than intellectual laziness. We need to explain what, and sometimes how, things went wrong.

Communist Theory
6th July 2009, 16:27
Hey guys,
I'm starting a new outlook on Communism it's gonna be called Communist Theoryism...
Uhhh we are against oppression and stuff...uhmm and Capitalism yeah can't forget Capitalism oh and Nazis and Fascism...



That's what I got from that website.
:cool:

Revy
6th July 2009, 23:38
I think a word that works better is "workerism". "proletarism" just doesn't sound right.
though "worker-communism" has also been used, especially in the Middle East.

Dust Bunnies
7th July 2009, 03:31
Just seems to me to be another same old party under another name. What Marxists needs is not more parties but more unity. My opinion? A rebranding attempt that won't have a positive effect.

More Fire for the People
7th July 2009, 03:34
I like the terms 'Workerism' and 'Worker-Communism'.

Dust Bunnies
7th July 2009, 03:36
I like the terms 'Workerism' and 'Worker-Communism'.

I just like the term Communism and we can keep it that way. Proletarism is simply another "Venus Project", a rebrand of Communism.

amandevsingh
7th July 2009, 03:45
I just like the term Communism and we can keep it that way. Proletarism is simply another "Venus Project", a rebrand of Communism.

But has it come to a point where we need a decisive break, is what I should say? :confused:

Though, I believe Communism is just fine

Dust Bunnies
7th July 2009, 03:51
But has it come to a point where we need a decisive break, is what I should say? :confused:

Though, I believe Communism is just fine

A break from the past? Well there has been "breaks" from the past. There are many Marxists who reject the USSR/other "Communist" countries for example the Trotskyists during/after the 1920's, Left Communists after the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, and Stalinists starting somewhere in the 1950's. We should unite, look at what went wrong, then try to improve on our theories. Marx said, "Workers of the World Unite!" not "Workers of the World fragment into different Parties!" One united Marxist party who breaks away from the past, labeling the past as failed is what is needed, not another rebrand.

We broke, the only people in the past is the reformist/Democratic Socialist parties who followed the Soviet Union and friends to their grave (or still support them like the Chinese Communist Party).