The political stance of your family?

[*Viva La Revolucion*]

I have always been curious about what people's parents believe as it often seems as though children inherit their parents' political opinions. There are probably loads of exceptions to this but if you take, for example, my class in the school I used to go to. The daughter of a tory MP was a member of the youth parliament and supported Thatcher, the daughter of a very environmentally aware family supported the Green party, the daughter of lib dem voting parents wanted to vote for the lib dems. It goes on like that.

I know my dad usually votes for the labour party or doesn't vote at all (he's apolitical really), but I didn't know until recently that my mum is a socialist. I wonder how much of an effect growing up around those values had, even if we never discussed politics. I thought she'd be fazed by me announcing 'I think I support the communist party', but she just said 'Oh, that's nice. I used to go to meetings when I was younger.' :lol:

So what do your parents think politically and do you think it has influenced you at all? Also, if you had children would you make a conscious effort to bring them up with your ideals or would you leave them to develop their own views?

[Anarkiwi]

My parents always voted labour
My views are a lot different then the labour party
but then again the labour party of old is not the labour party of today.

[LOLseph Stalin]

My family is kind of strange when it comes to politics. My dad for example is generally Apolitical yet he still manages to hold views on some things. He never votes, he has many economic views which lean to the left such as supporting social services(yet he hates paying taxes.:confused:), but then he's basically Fascist when it comes to crime. He wants to be extremely tough on criminals. The saddest parts of his views however is his Anti-Communist position. I could never tell him I'm a dirty Red.

My mom is also quite Apolitical and doesn't vote, but simply because she doesn't really like any of the parties. She doesn't really take a particular view on many things, being extremely open-minded to all ideas. She believes 9/11 was a government conspiracy set up by the US government though to invade Iraq for oil.:laugh: She used to have mixed feelings about Communism believing that the leaders had good intentions, but used horrible methods. I then explained Communism a bit better to her and she agreed that it's the way that society should be, but that it's impossible because of the corruption created by money.

[FreeFocus]

My parents are leftists, but sometimes lapse into left-liberalism, which I have to snap them out of. :lol:

[Sarah Palin]

My parents are liberal and would only vote center left. My dad gets on my case for being far left and his dad's case for being far right, but he thinks Obama is too conservative. My mom isn't really political but holds some strong opinions, though is still just center left. My uncle is the most radical and his politics has rubbed off on me. He is a former member and activist of the CPUSA, but now kind of devotes all of his energy to Obama. which is a shame.

Edit: My father's parents are neo-conservatives. Voted for Bush twice, have owned businesses, support war in the middle east, etc.
My mother's father was center right, I think he voted for Clinton once(whatever that means) and my mother's mother was far left and really influenced me.
By the way, my mother's brothers both voted for Ross Perot. I think they're clinically retarded.

[Il Medico]

My Parents voted McCain. That sum it up?

[LOLseph Stalin]

My Parents voted McCain. That sum it up?


Sadly, yes. :(

[9]

She believes 9/11 was a government conspiracy set up by the US government though to invade Iraq for oil.:laugh:
:laugh: She should learn about the history of the US - we didn't need 9/11 to invade The Iraq.

Anyway, on the topic, my parents were Democrats when I was younger. When I got into my mid-teens, I started to really step back and look at things. It didn't take me long to realize how fucked up capitalism is, and I started talking to my parents about it. My dad - whose family is fiercely conservative - became a much more liberal Democrat as a result of our conversations, but at a certain point, he refused to abandon his comfortable myths about American exceptionalism. He still cheers on Obama, even though he is sixty years old and unemployed as a result of capitalism and its apologists like Obama. My mother, on the other hand, was able to abandon these myths, and even the labour Zionist myth, though it visibly shattered her pride for a time after. I try to get in touch with her regularly and we always have political conversations. From what I can gauge, we are now in agreement about almost everything politically. I was really impressed by her willingness, when I engaged her, to accept logic and abandon over half a century of indoctrination.:thumbup:

[gorillafuck]

My dad is a left-liberal and so is my mom. My mom sympathizes with socialists though and is very proud that I am a communist (she's a social worker so she sees what capitalism does to the most unfortunate people in society constantly).

[LOLseph Stalin]

:laugh: She should learn about the history of the US - we didn't need 9/11 to invade The Iraq.

Well of course it's more complicated than that, but I have to say it's definitely a start that my mom realizes that there's definitely something fishy about US foreign policy. She does know that those Capitalists will do anything for money, and the Iraq invasion being one. She also hates how most of the Bourgeois parties want to privatize everything. Maybe I could influence her? ;)

[Anarkiwi]

[QUOTE=Apikoros;1482850]:laugh: She should learn about the history of the US - we didn't need 9/11 to invade The Iraq.

no but israle needed it so people in america
stoped crying foul over the genocide in palestein
so american citizens and not just govt support israles
racist policies.

[Anarkiwi]

Well of course it's more complicated than that, but I have to say it's definitely a start that my mom realizes that there's definitely something fishy about US foreign policy. She does know that those Capitalists will do anything for money, and the Iraq invasion being one. She also hates how most of the Bourgeois parties want to privatize everything. Maybe I could influence her? ;)

you would be like che
his mother wasent a leftist but she ended up being one.:thumbup1:

[LOLseph Stalin]

you would be like che
his mother wasent a leftist but she ended up being one.:thumbup1:

Damn! :che: Hehe...

Anyway, there's no hope for my dad, but a bit more for my mom. Too bad she wasn't more interested in politics so I could actually have a better chance to sway her.

[Anarkiwi]

Damn! :che: Hehe...

Anyway, there's no hope for my dad, but a bit more for my mom. Too bad she wasn't more interested in politics so I could actually have a better chance to sway her.

Not to worry the corruptness of capitalisim
exspecially now during this resession should sway her.

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

Mom - NDP sympathies. My mom is a stereotypical awesome mother. She puts a lot into myself and my sister. My sister has learning disabilities, and I have had problems with depression. Both of our medical issues are marginalized by capitalism. While her position isn't as enlightened and education as people say we're supposed to be about politics, I really think politics isn't that complicate. She has common-sense leftist sympathies.

Dad: My Dad worked extremely hard to acquire his wealth. He is somewhat conservative, but the business world actually is becoming more liberal socially. It's just when it comes to money. He has misconceptions about what communism is, and he is mainly worried about his interests being misrepresented.

Half-Brother. Not sure his social opinions. He was raised incredibly Christian, but he told me he was voting NDP once (social democrat).

Step-Dad: Comes from a long line of people who vote liberal almost no matter what because you just vote liberal, period. I don't understand it. It's a family tradition of some sort.

Sister isn't old enough and has no interest in politics anyway. Sadly, she's probably somewhat conservative, but she is very easy to convince either way. If I believed in voting, I could convince her to vote for whoever party I thought was best. This is somewhat frustrating as I think my sister needs her interests represented, but by age 18, I very much doubt she'll be capable of making an informed decision. This is true for a lot of people without disabilities, though.

So my family is left-leaning. I just immediately become more left as I heard about the ideas. Pessimism could eventually make me reform my views, according to Churchill (youth are always communist). However, I'd like to think I remain committed to improving society in a revolutionary way. Being a revolutionary requires a lot of optimism, I think, though.

Even if communism is a good idea, we have 50 people ready to refute our arguments as soon as we make them. It feels like a losing battle sometimes.

[the last donut of the night]

Mom is apolitical. Yet my dad claims to be center-right but routinely quotes Marx and supports a rudimentary welfare state. :confused:

[9]

no but israle needed it so people in america
stoped crying foul over the genocide in palestein
so american citizens and not just govt support israles
racist policies.


Right, the US government took the illogical risk of orchestrating and carrying out the single biggest attack in US history (and the biggest conspiracy in the history of the world) in which it killed 3,000 of its own citizens on its own soil at Israel's request because some American citizens were opposed to the actions of the government of Israel. Give me a break. The next statement in this line of 'reasoning' is: "and the Shoah is just a hoax perpetrated by the Jew-Zionists to make people sympathetic to them" followed by "the Jewish Conspiracy created the Swine Flu virus". And then you start talking about the Jew-hive and sign up on stormfront.com
All the "leftists" who think that the US is an Israeli client-state are either the absolute epitome of ignorance, or, consciously or unconsciously scapegoating Israel (which almost always translates, in this context, to "the Jews") to avoid the sense of responsibility that might accompany the fact that Israel is primarily a US-client state. But I understand - when things get rough, "blame the Jews!" Its much easier to blame a minority ethnic group for fucking you over, because that way you can continue to see people in terms of "the Sons of Light" (inherently good) and "the Sons of Darkness" (inherently evil) and then proceed to suck your thumb and drink your mother's milk and marvel at shiny objects.

[Anarkiwi]

Right, the US government took the illogical risk of orchestrating and carrying out the single biggest attack in US history (and the biggest conspiracy in the history of the world) in which it killed 3,000 of its own citizens on its own soil at Israel's request because some American citizens were opposed to the actions of the government of Israel. Give me a break. The next statement in this line of 'reasoning' is: "and the Shoah is just a hoax perpetrated by the Jew-Zionists to make people sympathetic to them" followed by "the Jewish Conspiracy created the Swine Flu virus". And then you start talking about the Jew-hive and sign up on stormfront.com
All the "leftists" who think that the US is an Israeli client-state are either the absolute epitome of ignorance, or, consciously or unconsciously scapegoating Israel (which almost always translates, in this context, to "the Jews") to avoid the sense of responsibility that might accompany the fact that Israel is primarily a US-client state. But I understand - when things get rough, "blame the Jews!" Its much easier to blame a minority ethnic group for fucking you over, because that way you can continue to see people in terms of "the Sons of Light" (inherently good) and "the Sons of Darkness" (inherently evil) and then proceed to suck your thumb and drink your mother's milk and marvel at shiny objects.

My belief in this theory aint nothing to do with jews mate
i dont hate jews and never will i hate there religion yes there state yes
how does a people who were put into concentration camps turn around and do it to another people,

i dont blame an minority ethnic group called jews i blame a minority political group called zionist.

[9]

Does it not occur to you that


how does a people who were put into concentration camps turn around and do it to another people.

stands in complete contradiction to the statement that directly preceded it:




i dont blame an minority ethnic group called jews i blame a minority political group called zionist


Perhaps my memory of history has failed me and my grandparents were filling me with lies, but I could have sworn that it wasn't "6,000,000 Zionists" who perished in the Shoah....

[Anarkiwi]

Does it not occur to you that


stands in complete contradiction to the statement that directly preceded it:




Perhaps my memory of history has failed me and my grandparents were filling me with lies, but I could have sworn that it wasn't "6,000,000 Zionists" who perished in the Shoah....


Mossad: The Israeli Connection to 9/11



By Christopher Bollyn – American Free Press April 10, 2005

U.S. investigators and the controlled media have ignored a preponderance of evidence pointing to Israel's intelligence agency, the Mossad, being involved in the terror attacks of 9/11.

From the very morning aircraft smashed into the World Trade Center (WTC) and the Pentagon, news reports have indicated Israeli intelligence being involved in the events of 9/11 ? and the planting of "false flags" to blame Arab terrorists and mold public opinion to support the pre-planned "war on terror."

Shortly after the destruction of the twin towers, radio news reports described five "Middle Eastern men" being arrested in New Jersey after having been seen videotaping and celebrating the explosive "collapses" of the WTC.

These men, from a phony moving company in Weehawken, N.J., turned out to be agents of Israeli military intelligence, Mossad. Furthermore, their "moving van" tested positive for explosives.

Dominic Suter, the Israeli owner of Urban Moving Systems, the phony "moving company," fled in haste, or was allowed to escape, to Israel before FBI agents could interrogate him. The Israeli agents were later returned to Israel on minor visa violations.

The Assistant Attorney General in charge of criminal investigations at the time was Michael Chertoff, the current head of the Dept. of Homeland Security. Chertoff, the son of the first hostess of Israel's national air carrier, El Al, is thought to be an Israeli national.

One of the Israeli agents later told Israeli radio that they had been sent to "document the event": the event which took the lives of some 3,000 Americans.
Despite the fact that the Israelis arrested in New Jersey evidently had prior knowledge or were involved in the planning of 9/11, the U.S. mainstream media has never even broached the question of Israeli complicity in the attacks.


Israelis Forewarned

On September 12, 2001, the Internet edition of The Jerusalem Post reported, "The Israeli foreign ministry has collected the names of 4,000 Israelis believed to have been in the areas of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon at the time of the attack."

Yet only one Israeli was killed at the WTC and two were reportedly killed on the "hijacked" aircraft.

Although a total of three Israeli lives were reportedly lost on 9/11, speechwriters for President George W. Bush grossly inflated the number of Israeli dead to 130 in the president's address to a joint session of Congress on September 20, 2001.

The fact that only one Israeli died at the WTC, while 4,000 Israelis were thought to have been at the scene of the attacks on 9/11 naturally led to a widespread rumor, blamed on Arabic sources, that Israelis had been forewarned to stay away that day.

"Whether this story was the origin of the rumor," Bret Stephens, the Post's editor-in-chief wrote in 2003, "I cannot say. What I can say is that there was no mistake in our reporting."


Odigo Instant Messages

Evidence that Israelis had been forewarned several hours before the attacks surfaced at an Israeli instant messaging service, known as Odigo. This story, clear evidence of Israeli prior knowledge, was reported only briefly in the U.S. media ? and quickly forgotten.

At least two Israel-based employees of Odigo received warnings of an imminent attack in New York City more than two hours before the first plane hit the WTC. Odigo had its U.S. headquarters two blocks from the WTC. The Odigo employees, however, did not pass the warning on to the authorities in New York City, a move that could have saved thousands of lives.

Odigo has a feature called People Finder that allows users to seek out and contact others based on certain demographics, such as Israeli nationality.

Two weeks after 9/11, Alex Diamandis, Odigo's vice president, reportedly said, "It was possible that the attack warning was broadcast to other Odigo members, but the company has not received reports of other recipients of the message.?

The Internet address of the sender was given to the FBI, and two months later it was reported that the FBI was still investigating the matter. There have been no media reports since.

Odigo, like many Israeli software companies, is based and has its Research and Development (R&D) center in Herzliya, Israel, the small town north of Tel Aviv, which happens to be where Mossad's headquarters are located.

Shortly after 9/11, Odigo was taken over by Comverse Technology, another Israeli company. Within a year, five executives from Comverse were reported to have profited by more than $267 million from "insider trading."

Through Israeli "venture capital" (VC) investment funds, Mossad spawns and sponsors scores of software companies currently doing business in the United States. These Israel-based companies are sponsored by Mossad funding sources such as Cedar Fund, Stage One Ventures, Veritas Venture Partners, and others.

As one might expect, the portfolios of these Mossad-linked funding companies contain only Israeli-based companies, such as Odigo.

Reading through the strikingly similar websites of these Israeli "VC" funds and their portfolio companies, one can't help but notice that the key "team" players share a common profile and are often former members of "Israel's Intelligence Corps" and veterans of the R&D Department of the Israel Air Force or another branch of the military. Most are graduates of Israel's "Technion" school in Haifa, Mossad's Interdisciplinary Center (IDC) in Herzliya, or a military program for software development.

The IDC, a private, non-profit university, is closely tied to the Mossad. The IDC has a "research institute" headed by Shabtai Shavit, former head of the Mossad from 1989 to 1996, called the International Policy Institute for Counter-Terrorism.

The IDC also has a "Marc Rich Center for the Study of Commodities, Trading and Financial Markets" and a "Lauder School of Government, Diplomacy and Strategy." The cosmetics magnate Ronald S. Lauder, who is a supporter of Israel's Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and his far-right Likud Party, founded the Lauder school.

Lauder, president of the Jewish National Fund and former chairman of New York Governor George Pataki's Commission on Privatization, is the key individual who pushed the privatization of the WTC and former Stewart AFB, where the flight paths of the two planes that hit the twin towers oddly converged. Ronald Lauder played a significant, albeit unreported, role in the preparation for 9/11.

Pataki's wife, Libby, has been on Lauder's payroll since at least 2002 and reportedly earned $100,000 as a consultant in 2004. According to The Village Voice, between 1994 and 1998, Gov. Pataki earned some $70,000 for speaking to groups affiliated with Lauder.


The Ptech Cutout

Ptech, a mysterious software company has been tied with the events of 9/11. The Quincy, Massachusetts-based company was supposedly connected to "the Muslim Brotherhood" and Arab financiers of terrorism.

The firm's suspected links with terrorism resulted in a consensual examination by the FBI in December 2002, which was immediately leaked to the media. The media reports of the FBI "raid" on Ptech soon led to the demise of the company.

Ptech "produced software that derived from PROMIS, had an artificial intelligence core, and was installed on virtually every computer system of the U.S. government and its military agencies on September 11, 2001," according to Michael Ruppert's From the Wilderness (FTW) website.

"This included the White House, Treasury Dept. (Secret Service), Air Force, FAA, CIA, FBI, both houses of Congress, Navy, Dept. of Energy, IRS, Booz Allen Hamilton, IBM, Enron and more," FTW reported.

"Whoever plotted 9/11 definitely viewed the FAA as the enemy that morning. Overriding FAA systems would be the most effective way to ensure the attacks were successful," FTW reported. "To do this, the FAA needed an evolution of PROMIS software installed on their systems and Ptech was just that; the White House and Secret Service had the same software on their systems ? likely a superior modified version capable of 'surveillance and intervention' systems."
But did the U.S. government unwittingly load software capable of "surveillance and intervention" operations and produced by a company linked to terrorism onto its most sensitive computer networks, or was Ptech simply a Mossad "cutout" company?

Oussama Ziade, a Lebanese Muslim immigrant who came to the U.S. in 1985, founded Ptech in 1994. But the company's original manager of marketing and information systems was Michael S. Goff, whose PR firm, Goff Communications, currently represents Guardium, a Mossad-linked software company.

And Goff comes from a well-to-do line of Jewish Masons who have belonged to Worcester's Commonwealth Lodge 600 of B'nai Brith for decades. So, why would a recently graduated Juris Doctor in Law leave a promising law career to join forces with a Lebanese Muslim's upstart company sponsored with dodgy funders in Saudi Arabia?

"As information systems manager [for Ptech], Michael handled design, deployment and management of its Windows and Macintosh, data, and voice networks," Goff's website says. "Michael also performed employee training and handled all procurement for software, systems and peripherals."

AFP asked Goff, who left the Worcester law firm of Seder & Chandler in 1994, how he wound up working at Ptech. "Through a temp agency," Goff said. Asked for the name of the agency, Goff said he could not remember.

Could it be Mossad Temps, or maybe Sayan Placement Agency?

Goff, the original marketing manager for Ptech software, said he did not know who had written the code that Ptech sold to many government agencies. Is this believable?

Goff leaves a legal practice in his home town to take a job, through a temp agency, with a Lebanese Muslim immigrant who is selling software, and he doesn't know who even wrote the code?

AFP contacted the government agencies that reportedly have Ptech software on their computers, and IBM, to ask if they could identify who had written the source code of the Ptech software.

By press time, only Lt. Commander Ron Steiner of the U.S. Navy's Naval Network Warfare Command had responded. Steiner said he had checked with an analyst and been told that none of the Ptech software has been approved for the Navy's enterprise networks.
Finis

[LOLseph Stalin]

Not to worry the corruptness of capitalisim
exspecially now during this resession should sway her.

Well the thing about my mom is that she spent alot of time on the bad, oppressed end of Capitalism. I was also brought up in these conditions growing up with her until I moved in with my dad. She was a single mother working for minimum wage with three children so to me it makes perfect sense that she would at least sympathize with leftist views. I haven't yet come out and told her directly that I'm a Communist, but I'm sure she's probably catching on due to my knowledge of the subject and my attitude towards the Bourgeoisie. Oh, and not to mention my large amount of Communist related things on facebook...

[Revy]

my mom is apolitical.....I told her I was a socialist and she was like "well that's not a big deal anymore, it's not like this is the 50's" :)

[Devrim]

My father was a left-nationalist Stalinist, and my mother eventually ended up in anarchism and, I think, was a member of the French Anarchist Federation. Three of my grandparents were in the Communist Party at some point including one who was a founding member.

Devrim

[LOLseph Stalin]

My father was a left-nationalist Stalinist, and my mother eventually ended up in anarchism and, I think, was a member of the French Anarchist Federation. Three of my grandparents were in the Communist Party at some point including one who was a founding member.

Devrim

Wow, Communism is in your blood. I bet your children will end up being Communist too!

[Cooler Reds Will Prevail]

My parents both vote Democrat but are probably closer to democratic socialists. My dad's dad was in the Mexican Communist Party when the government was really cracking down, so needless to say my pops is really paranoid. My mom works in criminal justice and is pretty centrist on criminal issues by American standards but otherwise is pretty left. My sister is pretty apolitical and asks my dad what to vote for, though she's moved a little left since she started teaching in the hood :thumbup1:

[Pogue]

Dad always been left wing, attended alot of demos, anti-NF stuff, and young Communist/Communist party meetings but never joined, but voted for them a few times, now I'd say he's a sort of social democrat with strong sympathies towards revolutionary politics but with alot of inconsistencies.

Mums a shop steward and also left wing, in Euro elections they were both No2EU Yes To democracy kinda people.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Dad used to be in the SWP but got thrown out for squadism and Mum until recently belived the Dali lama was basically the best thing ever.

[9]

Jewish Masons


:laugh:That's all you really had to say! :laugh:
Honestly, though, this theory makes Alex Jones' version not only seem completely sane and coherent, but like a fucking work of scientific genius...
And more hilarious still, is the fact that I googled the author of your article, "Christopher Bollyn", to find that "9-11 Review" - an organization with the sole purpose of promoting 9-11 conspiracy theories - had an entire page on your author, Christopher Bollyn. Read for yourself (and then please leave revleft and sign up on stormfront or somewhere similarly fitting):
Holocaust Denial Versus 9/11 Truth

It is easy to find writers and websites that openly mix 9/11 skepticism with Holocaust denial or revisionism. Some of the more prominent ones are:


Christoper Bollyn (http://911review.com/denial/holocaust.html#bollyn), writer for The American Free Press

Christopher Bollyn, writing for the American Free Press, was the source of numerous original stories on the 9/11 coverup. Apparently because of his original reporting, Bollyn's work has been widely cited and copied. Unfortunately, this is also true of a number of hoaxes that Bollyn has promoted -- perhaps unknowingly.


Bollyn wrote an article misconstruing the seismic data (http://911review.com/errors/wtc/seismic.html) from the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, seeding the basement bombs theory.
Bollyn wrote an article misinterpreting WTC 2's rising dust cloud (http://911review.com/errors/wtc/b6_explosion.html) as an explosion in Building 6, starting a hoax that would be exploited by In Plane Site. (http://911review.com/disinfo/videos.html#ips)
Bollyn has been one of the principal proponents of the Pentagon no-jetliner theory (http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/index.html).
Bollyn apparently originated the theory that crash of Flight 93 (http://911review.com/attack/flights/f93.html) in PA was faked.

The American Free Press

The fact that Bollyn is extensively sourced in 9/11 skeptics' literature, combined with the fact that his employer, the American Free Press, has neo-Nazi associations, gives defenders of the official 9/11 myth effective ammunition with which to attack their critics. Although publications of the American Free Press are generally free of racist, white-supremicist, or anti-Semitic content, its sister publication, The Barnes Review overtly promotes such ideologies. Consider the following facts.


The Barnes Review praises Hitler as deserving of the Nobel Prize (http://911review.com/denial/holocaust.html#hitler)
The American Free Press and The Barnes Review share the same address (http://911review.com/denial/holocaust.html#address)
The American Free Press and The Barnes Review promote each other (http://911review.com/denial/holocaust.html#promotion)
Christopher Bollyn has been a guest on David Duke's show a number of times (http://911review.com/denial/holocaust.html#davidduke)
The American Free Press was founded by Right Wing ideologue Willis Carto (http://911review.com/denial/holocaust.html#williscarto)

The American Free Press was founded by Willis Carto, believed by some critics to be the leading exponent of anti-Semitism in the United States in the latter half of the 20th century. Carto, widely considered a white supremacist, was co-founder of the Institute for Historical Review, which has championed Holocaust revisionism and has been accused of being a neo-Nazi organization. Carto also founded The Barnes Review, and the Liberty Lobby, best known for publishing the now-defunct paper The Spotlight. Carto and other editors from The Spotlight went on to establish the American Free Press.

Carto owned the Liberty Lobby for the whole of its existence. During the 1970s, as the old anti-Communism of the 1950s and 1960s fell out of favor, Carto redefined the public image of Liberty Lobby, increasingly taking on the public image of populist rather than conservative or right-wing. In 1975, Liberty Lobby began publishing a weekly newspaper called The Spotlight, which ran news and opinion articles with a very populist and anti-establishment slant on a variety of subjects, but gave little indication of being extreme-right or neo-Nazi. However, The Spotlight, critics charged, was intended as a subtle recruiting tool for the extreme right, using populist-sounding articles to attract people from all points on the political spectrum including liberals, moderates, and conservatives, and special-interest articles to attract people interested in such subjects as alternative medicine, while the newspaper subtly incorporated anti-Semitic and white racialist undertones in its articles, and carried advertisements in the classified section for openly neo-Nazi groups and books.

End

well, I think that about does it. I will not continue this discussion in this thread, seeing as it is not the topic of this thread. If you would like to continue this discussion, start a new thread about it and we can continue it there.
Sorry to everyone else for the digression from the intended topic.

[LeninBalls]

My dad is completely 100% apolitical, but is always like "Cool!" when he sees my commie stuff like books or my Lenin badge or whatever.

My mother says she's a socialist, because her uncle and grandmother were die hard commies. She's a member of the Socialist Party (some Irish trot party :/) but to be honest she's not that knowledged on radical left wing politics and I think she's only developed an interest in it and says she is because her boyfriend, her son and some of her family are reds.

[Hoggy_RS]

Both my parents are strongly Fine Gael(Centre Right). In fact my great grandfather was a fine gael TD(MP). My old man freaks when he hears me go on about communism. He simply can't see that its capitalism that has failed us.

[The Iraqi Communist]

Both my Grandpas were Marxist all the way till their death in a prison hospital.

My pops always been a Marxist, he changed though more into Guevarism, when he became a guerilla fighter during the 80's. Now, thats hes old, he supports the Chinese model... Not the old one, but the modern one with different economical ideals introduced into communism.

My mom, born leninist, will die leninist. Why? I don't know, shes just hardcore Leninist.

[RedAnarchist]

My family are mostly Labour supporters.

My grandparents politics are unknown, but from what I could tell from my grandfathers (one of my grandmothers died before I was born and the other died when I was a kid), is that they both would probably never vote anything right of Old Labour, although my paternal grandfather once voted Liberal Democrats,

My maternal grandparents were normal Northern, working-class people who were brought up in the 1930s - they even had a black dog in the 1960s whose name was the n-word. I would call them Old Labour, but maybe on the right of it.

My paternal grandparents were also normal Northern, working-class people and were also Catholic. I don't know how they were when my dad was young, but my gradnparents never seemed too devoutly or strictly Catholic. From what I could tell, I would call them centrist.

My dad is a strong Labour supporter. He hates racism, is generally accepting of gay/bi people and is fairly modern in his views. I would probably put him around the centre-left, maybe even a mild social democrat.

My mum was pretty much the same. She opposed the Iraq War, was fairly modern in her views. She voted Labour like my dad, and probably was also a mild social democrat.

My sister is quite apolitical, but when she does say anything political, it tends to be similar to the views of the average Labour supporter. I would call her centre-leftist.

One of my brothers is a very, very ardent athiest, and detests the BNP. He can be quite right-wing in his views, mostly when it comes to crime and immigration, so I would call him a centre-right liberal.

Another of my brothers is rather apolitical, but tends to have liberal views. I would call him a centre-left liberal.

The third brother is quite left-wing in his views but apolitical. I would probably call him a social democrat.

My other relatives tend to be average Labour supporters. As far as I know, there are few political extremists in my family and noone is far right-wing. As for my views, they tend to be quite tolerant of them.

[fabilius]

My father used to be socialist but as he got older he became more conservative. Always pro-welfare system though, so I guess he´d have to be categorized as a social democrat. He´d describe himself as apolitical.

My mother is the same, a more left leaning social democrats. They are really both liberals.

My grandparents on mother side were marxists.
On father´s side, I don´t know.

[RedDragon]

My parents both vote Labour (despite currently not being big fans of the Labour Party) and I would say they are social democrats. They seem pro the welfare state and do criticise capitalism but don't want to get rid of it, just make it 'better.' They aren't big fans of communism (although they did buy me the Communist Manifesto) but this is probably due to a lack of understanding of what communism really is.

[Anarkiwi]

:laugh:That's all you really had to say! :laugh:
Honestly, though, this theory makes Alex Jones' version not only seem completely sane and coherent, but like a fucking work of scientific genius...
And more hilarious still, is the fact that I googled the author of your article, "Christopher Bollyn", to find that "9-11 Review" - an organization with the sole purpose of promoting 9-11 conspiracy theories - had an entire page on your author, Christopher Bollyn. Read for yourself (and then please leave revleft and sign up on stormfront or somewhere similarly fitting):
Holocaust Denial Versus 9/11 Truth

It is easy to find writers and websites that openly mix 9/11 skepticism with Holocaust denial or revisionism. Some of the more prominent ones are:


Christoper Bollyn (http://911review.com/denial/holocaust.html#bollyn), writer for The American Free Press

Christopher Bollyn, writing for the American Free Press, was the source of numerous original stories on the 9/11 coverup. Apparently because of his original reporting, Bollyn's work has been widely cited and copied. Unfortunately, this is also true of a number of hoaxes that Bollyn has promoted -- perhaps unknowingly.


Bollyn wrote an article misconstruing the seismic data (http://911review.com/errors/wtc/seismic.html) from the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, seeding the basement bombs theory.
Bollyn wrote an article misinterpreting WTC 2's rising dust cloud (http://911review.com/errors/wtc/b6_explosion.html) as an explosion in Building 6, starting a hoax that would be exploited by In Plane Site. (http://911review.com/disinfo/videos.html#ips)
Bollyn has been one of the principal proponents of the Pentagon no-jetliner theory (http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/index.html).
Bollyn apparently originated the theory that crash of Flight 93 (http://911review.com/attack/flights/f93.html) in PA was faked.

The American Free Press

The fact that Bollyn is extensively sourced in 9/11 skeptics' literature, combined with the fact that his employer, the American Free Press, has neo-Nazi associations, gives defenders of the official 9/11 myth effective ammunition with which to attack their critics. Although publications of the American Free Press are generally free of racist, white-supremicist, or anti-Semitic content, its sister publication, The Barnes Review overtly promotes such ideologies. Consider the following facts.


The Barnes Review praises Hitler as deserving of the Nobel Prize (http://911review.com/denial/holocaust.html#hitler)
The American Free Press and The Barnes Review share the same address (http://911review.com/denial/holocaust.html#address)
The American Free Press and The Barnes Review promote each other (http://911review.com/denial/holocaust.html#promotion)
Christopher Bollyn has been a guest on David Duke's show a number of times (http://911review.com/denial/holocaust.html#davidduke)
The American Free Press was founded by Right Wing ideologue Willis Carto (http://911review.com/denial/holocaust.html#williscarto)

The American Free Press was founded by Willis Carto, believed by some critics to be the leading exponent of anti-Semitism in the United States in the latter half of the 20th century. Carto, widely considered a white supremacist, was co-founder of the Institute for Historical Review, which has championed Holocaust revisionism and has been accused of being a neo-Nazi organization. Carto also founded The Barnes Review, and the Liberty Lobby, best known for publishing the now-defunct paper The Spotlight. Carto and other editors from The Spotlight went on to establish the American Free Press.

Carto owned the Liberty Lobby for the whole of its existence. During the 1970s, as the old anti-Communism of the 1950s and 1960s fell out of favor, Carto redefined the public image of Liberty Lobby, increasingly taking on the public image of populist rather than conservative or right-wing. In 1975, Liberty Lobby began publishing a weekly newspaper called The Spotlight, which ran news and opinion articles with a very populist and anti-establishment slant on a variety of subjects, but gave little indication of being extreme-right or neo-Nazi. However, The Spotlight, critics charged, was intended as a subtle recruiting tool for the extreme right, using populist-sounding articles to attract people from all points on the political spectrum including liberals, moderates, and conservatives, and special-interest articles to attract people interested in such subjects as alternative medicine, while the newspaper subtly incorporated anti-Semitic and white racialist undertones in its articles, and carried advertisements in the classified section for openly neo-Nazi groups and books.

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well, I think that about does it. I will not continue this discussion in this thread, seeing as it is not the topic of this thread. If you would like to continue this discussion, start a new thread about it and we can continue it there.
Sorry to everyone else for the digression from the intended topic.

I aint a holocaust denier,
you deny what israle is doing in gaza aint a holocaust?

nice touch there at the bottom :cool:

Zionist say anti zionisim is anti-Semitism but it is not
it is anti racisim anti facisim and anti capitalisim.

[gorillafuck]

I aint a holocaust denier,
you deny what israle is doing in gaza aint a holocaust?

No, what Israel does to Gaza is not "a holocaust".

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I aint a holocaust denier,
you deny what israle is doing in gaza aint a holocaust?

nice touch there at the bottom :cool:

Zionist say anti zionisim is anti-Semitism but it is not
it is anti racisim anti facisim and anti capitalisim.

The remarkable thing to me about this is that you have absolutely no idea what my position in regards to Zionism is. So you know that I'm a Jew, presumably, and you know that I think conspiracy theories about Zionist Jews carrying out the 9/11 attacks are rooted in anti-Semitism. I think such beliefs are rooted in anti-Semitism (whether conscious, subconscious, or unconscious) because of the implications that would naturally have to follow this idea. Let's look at some of the present physical facts about Israel, first: Israel is a 20,000 square kilometer Nation-State smaller than New Jersey (the US - with 6,000,000 sq km - is 300 times bigger than Israel), with a population of only seven million (the US - with a population of 307 million - has 43 times the number of citizens), which is heavily reliant on the US for military funding. The US is the singular world superpower - an imperialist State that has colonies, literally, across the globe and political power greater than any other nation by far. The supposition, therefore, that a country such as Israel (you make no class specification, no nothing) is so powerful that not only do "its" interests immediately override the interests of the ruling elite in the US, but that Israel is so powerful and so miraculously influential that the US superpower's ruling elite is willing to jeopardize its own very existence to allow Israeli government agents to enter the US, destroy two landmarks and murder 3,000 citizens on US soil, in what would be the most ingeniously orchestrated and incomparably biggest conspiracy in the history of the world, and all because Israel decided it needed more US support for its aggression against the indigenous Palestinian population. Consistent in all of this is one key leap in logic that is very curious, which is the assumption that Israel, not the US, was behind the attacks. Frankly, I think all the conspiracy theories about 9/11 are ridiculous, but I can at least understand the basis in reason for a person to conclude that it was carried out by the US - its the most powerful country in the world, it needed to hike popular support for its own wars in the Mid East to secure economic hegemony in the region - I understand very well why a person could conclude that the US government was responsible, though I don't buy it. But a tiny country like Israel? No, I don't see any logical thought processes WHATSOEVER behind such a conclusion, but I am perceptive enough to make a deduction about what such a conclusion implies: that the people in Israel are not like the people anywhere else in the world, that they have superhuman power and influence over international affairs and superhuman means of exerting this influence. You yourself may not even be consciously aware of it because it is not overt (ie you are not explicitly saying "the Jews are behind it!") but the anti-Semitism inherent in the conclusions of such a conspiracy theory is absolutely present on an implicit level.
To address your statement that anti-Zionism is anti-racism and anti-fascism, my response is no, "anti-Zionism" in and of itself does not mean anything other than "opposition to Zionism", and is perfectly compatable with racism or fascism, just not "Western" racism/fascism, and some liberals seem to think that somebody else's racism/fascism is "good" racism/fascism so long as it is opposed to imperial "Western" powers, which I find perplexing. However, again, "anti-Zionism" by itself does not imply anything with regard to either racism or fascism - it is a single issue label, and other labels are needed to accompany it if it is to express a position on racism and fascism. However, I identify myself as an anti-Zionist, and I am an outspoken opponent of the Israeli occupation of Palestine, and I am adamantly against any form of "Jewish State". And yes, I consider what Israel is doing to the Palestinians to be ethnic cleansing, comparable to the ethnic cleansing perpetrated by the Europeans upon the Native Americans from the late fifteenth century onward. However, all of this does not somehow mean that I must keep my mouth shut when I see anti-Semitic sentiments being paraded around as anti-Zionism (again, whether you are conscious of the anti-Semitic connotations or not, I assure you, any historically-conscious Jew that hears it WILL BE IMMEDIATELY, and no this is not the result of Zionist propaganda, its the result of understanding what happened to our families two generations ago). Because it is precisely the kind of claims you are making and then presenting as "legitimate anti-Zionism" which allow the US and Israeli elite classes to perpetuate the bullshit "criticism of Israel = anti-Semitism" claim, because in every lie there is a kernel of truth. Unfortunately, I see this shit growing in scope and intensity on a regular basis, becoming popular amongst certain sectors of liberals, and I'm worried that people like you who think what you are promoting is legitimate will not grasp the danger of this sort of conspiracy theory until after its gained too much momentum to be stopped. And I wish there was some way to spell it out more clearly.

[Madvillainy]

Most of my fam are Irish republicans. My brother and mother are both apolitical. I don't think any of my family come close to being socialist.

[Post-Something]

Dads a social democrat with conservative social views.
Mums a socialist with even more conservative social views.

My mother doesn't care as long as it has nothing to do with religion (devout muslim), and dad is an ardent anti-communist, but partial to socialist ideas. He's just really against the idea of "revolution".

[LOLseph Stalin]

Considering I have only told about my mom and dad so far I thought I would tell about the rest of my family as well. My sister doesn't really seem to care much about politics unless she just doesn't talk about it. However she is a hardcore Atheist/Anti-Theist(probably even more so than me) so I'm sure the aspect of Communism regarding religion would appeal to her greatly. I'm sure she has probably suspected I'm some kind of Socialist or Communist because of the stuff on my facebook page. She hasn't asked about it or anything so who knows?

Then there's my half-brother who is too young to really understand politics. I probably won't bother with him until he's quite a bit older.

The rest of my relatives are probably mixed. A few of my aunts are probably Conservative, considering they married simply for money and are Bourgeois pigs now. The aunt that my mom is closest to is probably more left-wing since she's not extremely wealthy. I tend to notice that people with less money are typically more left-wing(usually). There's also my grandparents, uncles, and various cousins I have absolutely no idea about since my family just doesn't discuss politics much. However, I have one grandpa who is a Korea veteran so I think I know his stance on Communism and that's probably where my dad got his Anti-Communist stance from...

[RedScare]

My mom, dad, and sister are all Democrats, big fans of Obama, even though my dad is fundamentally an anti-capitalist and a big fan of Horvat.

[OneNamedNameLess]

Far left without really knowing it although my sister is pretty 'class conscious' and harbours radical views. My mum, dad and sister are all anti racist, fascist, conservative and so on and support internationalism and working class unity :) My mother's family shared these views too and her uncle was a union leader. They are proud of my campaign work and the fact that I regularly attend protests and demonstrations. So I suppose I'm quite fortunate.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

My parents are open to my point of view and accept it so I suppose that is good in a way. They seem aligned more to liberal politics who think anarchism is "a good idea but I can't see how we could achieve it".

[marxistcritic]

My dad is mainly Apolitical, but he is a Ayn Rand person[don't know what they call those] and greatly admires ancient sumerian capitalism. He hates communism and is obsessed with money, but is rather poor due to the capitalist system. My mom was a hardcore Reaganist republican Catholic.

[IrishWorker]

My great grand father fought in the IRA during the Irish War of Independence against the British Imperialists then once the Treaty was singed and the Civil War started he sided with the Republicans and fought against the Free State forces. He was arrested and interned by the Free Staters and released in 1927.

My grand father was involved in the IRA at late stages of the Border Campaign and when full scale war broke out with Brittan again in 1969 he was very active in the border areas in operations against British soldiers he was interned by the Irish Government for subversive activities for 5 years in the 70s when he was released he got involved again in the struggle and is alive today at the ripe old age of 84.

My Grand Mother is a protestant from a staunchly unionist family and has no real political beliefs she had a hard life being married to a republican and being a protestant the British and Unionist state forces always gave her a hard time but she is a staunchly Christian woman who raised a family of 14 sons and daughters when people didn’t have a pot to pish in so I respect her for that.

My father joined the INLA at a young age whilst seeing first hand British oppression and Unionist oppression in Ireland living in a catholic ghetto along the border he quickly seen that the PIRA were too nationalistic and ignored the social aspect of the revolution. He is still to this day a member of the IRSP
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My mother was a more Apolitical Nationalistic Republican who for want of a better word ignored the social implications of occupation for a more "Brits Out" and fuck the prods attitude and still believes in the old dogma of "Ireland Unfree Shall Never Be At Peace".


It is hard to say that I am not influenced by my family’s history in the struggle as I respect and value all of there opinions but I have come to the realization that war with Brittan at the moment is not a viable strategy and only through united working class action and agitation can we bring about a 32 County Marxist Republic.

[n0thing]

My dad votes Labour religiously. He's not a big fan of leftist politics, being in the upper 2% of incomes as he is, and despises Old Labour. He was the only member of his side of the family to support the Iraq war. He claims to have read the communist manifesto, and I think he's covering up a leftist past. His dad (my Grandad) is an Old Labour socialist, and currently disenfranchised member of the Labour party. He ran for parliament a few times in the south. He used to be a member of the Communist party.

My mum claims to have voted Greens once, and despite her proclamation of support for the Tories early on under Cameron's leadership, appears to be voting Lib-Dem wherever she can. My Grandmother on my Mum's side is basically a fascist. Hates blacks, hates gays, loves Thatcher. I also have a sneaking feeling that my brother is a closet Leninist. He aligns himself closest with the Greens, but regards them as hippies, so he just votes Lib-Dem.

So yeah. Fascists to Communists and everything in-between.

[Josef Balin]

Right, the US government took the illogical risk of orchestrating and carrying out the single biggest attack in US history (and the biggest conspiracy in the history of the world) in which it killed 3,000 of its own citizens on its own soil at Israel's request because some American citizens were opposed to the actions of the government of Israel. Give me a break. The next statement in this line of 'reasoning' is: "and the Shoah is just a hoax perpetrated by the Jew-Zionists to make people sympathetic to them" followed by "the Jewish Conspiracy created the Swine Flu virus". And then you start talking about the Jew-hive and sign up on stormfront.com

How would killing 3,000 people and saying they didn't kill them be "the biggest conspiracy in the world" (not to mention the fact that we would by definition not know of a conspiracy unless it was operated poorly)? The Israel giving America orders and not vice-versa thing the guy argued is stupid, but saying 9/11 was a conspiracy is not and that book is still very much open in the eyes of LOTS of credible people. I don't know either way, but to laugh at people saying the US government values corporations more than people while being a communist is pretty fucking stupid on your part, and as a commie you should be a lot more open minded about this kind of stuff and not as happy to repeat what the media says.

[Kyrite]

My parents vote liberal democrats. Although i'm not sure why as they both seem vastly more left then the Lib dems.

I might set up a thread asking about peoples' grandparents views...

[NecroCommie]

Me dad's a die hard conservatist, which over here means social democrat. Mom votes for social democrats, but every time I inquire her exact political views she comes out as a reformist socialist. It appears she is only social democrat because she wants to be seen as normal. :rolleyes: Also my grandma is a reformist socialist, and my moms dad was a red orphan from the civil war.

At least I know from whom I inherited my political views from...

[Havet]

father: leftist now more towards centrism

mother: apolitical, but votes more towards left to look "normal"

as for I, well i think the definitions "market anarchist", "agorist", "anarchist without adjectives" or "anarcho-pluralist" all fit.

[DecDoom]

The majority of my family is apolitical, but my grandmother (whom I live with) is a die-hard republican, a hyperpatriot who is convinced that America has never and will never do anything wrong, extremely anti-communist due to an upbringing filled with government propaganda, pro-capitalist (thanks to Ayn Rand. Anywhere in the world where poverty and starvation are abounds, she says that "they should work at McDonalds :confused:), and extremely racist.

It gets very lonely around here. :(

[griffjam]

my family died in the gulags

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How would killing 3,000 people and saying they didn't kill them be "the biggest conspiracy in the world" (not to mention the fact that we would by definition not know of a conspiracy unless it was operated poorly)? The Israel giving America orders and not vice-versa thing the guy argued is stupid, but saying 9/11 was a conspiracy is not and that book is still very much open in the eyes of LOTS of credible people. I don't know either way, but to laugh at people saying the US government values corporations more than people while being a communist is pretty fucking stupid on your part, and as a commie you should be a lot more open minded about this kind of stuff and not as happy to repeat what the media says.

Hey, I think you should reread the conversation, which you clearly did not read in the first place, because the entire thing was about Zionist Israeli agents being in a position to cause 9/11 for their own benefit. When did I fucking laugh at people who think the US government values corporations more than people? I'm well aware that the US government values corporations more than people, and I think you should actually read a conversation before you select a few sentences and then try to lecture me about a point that you decide I was making.
However, the people claiming the "Illuminati" was behind 9/11, or better yet, "Jewish Masons", yes, I gladly laugh at them, they're hilarious.

[politics student]

The majority of my family is apolitical, but my grandmother (whom I live with) is a die-hard republican, a hyperpatriot who is convinced that America has never and will never do anything wrong, extremely anti-communist due to an upbringing filled with government propaganda, pro-capitalist (thanks to Ayn Rand. Anywhere in the world where poverty and starvation are abounds, she says that "they should work at McDonalds :confused:), and extremely racist.

It gets very lonely around here. :(

My grandad gives me a bit of cash each month (helps tide me over while at uni), hes a die hard tory (Sexist, Racist and thinks the poor are just lazy). Have not informed him that I am a Marxist as he may pay for my masters or even PHD if I get into a position where I can take my studies that far. So hes in the dark for my own good. Overwise I would be pushing it through my undergrad let alone never stand a chance of offording to go further in my studies. I think I will tell him after hes been kind enough to help me cover the course costs and I am completed them.

But family is a mix of liberals and conservatives. Mum votes lib dem but comes across holding very socialist views at times.

[Leo]

My mother used to be in a Kurdish Hoxhaist group. While not active, she still has emotional ties to the idea of Kurdish national liberation, she still sees herself as a marxist and is quite anti-Stalinist.

My father used to be in the youth section of the official CP. While not active, he remembers his old organization very fondly and tries to defend it's past actions and ideology when we discuss. He sees himself as a marxist also.

My family in general is full of people who are or were militants of various left-wing organizations.

[Primus_Raven]

Republican.

[Partizani]

My Dads side of the family are very political,
My Dad represents Trade Unions in court working alongside TUC.
Grandfather used to be high up in PCS
Great Uncle is Labour Party representative for my Town and won the last local election.
Although none of them ever seem to stray into the Radical Left,
Ive never asked my dad what he is by definition, all i know is he definatly isnt a Trot as after i told him i went to a demonstration with the socialist party, he criticised me for doing so just referring to them as Trots.
Out of this comes me, a Militant Anti Fascist, Anarcho-Syndicalist.

[Trystan]

My father is a Labour supporter; a critical one. He always moans about them - but he never goes to meetings and almost always ends up voting for them (but I think last time he went for No2EU). My mother voted for the Greens last time round, but I think she used to be a fan of Plaid Cymru, who I used to be quite sympathetic towards too.

[More Fire for the People]

Very conservative on social issues, very liberal on economic issues.

[Random Precision]

My father is a conservative Republican, yet he voted for Obama out of the opinion that McCain is mentally ill due to several racist and militaristic statements he made during the campaign. His parents are both Republicans as well, his father used to be a fairly prominent player in the Republican Party of New York State.

My mother is a liberal with some socialist sympathies, but nothing very consistent. Her parents are both fairly liberal Democrats, her father fought in WW2 and Korea which gave him a pretty strong patriotic bent however. Her brother on the other hand is a firm socialist, was an ISO organizer for almost 15 years, and has been my guiding light in terms of politics.

[Devrim]

My father is a conservative Republican,...My mother is a liberal with some socialist sympathies
Does anybody wonder how these sort of people get together? We always wonder how Leo's parents got together (see his earlier post). We have another comrade in our section whose father was a Stalinist and mother a Maoist (or the other way round) and we wonder about that too, but some of these people's families.
Devrim

[Random Precision]

Does anybody wonder how these sort of people get together? We always wonder how Leo's parents got together (see his earlier post). We have another comrade in our section whose father was a Stalinist and mother a Maoist (or the other way round) and we wonder about that too, but some of these people's families.

I remember one time when I was still a liberal, and I and my mother did some work on the Kerry campaign with the local Democratic Party organization. My father addressed us both as "Benedict Arnold" for weeks afterward. I also remember my parents having really vicious arguments over abortion rights before they separated.

I guess I would have to say that love doesn't necessarily run through politics, though it is amusing to think about how certain couples get along. Also I have had significant success converting my partner from libertarian to Marxist views in the time we've been together, we're studying Capital together currently.

[Bilan]

My mum is an ex-socialist. Her politics are styled on the old Labor Party ones. Old school Feminist.
My father, as far as I know, has gone very right wing, and has apparently taken up some abhorrent denomination of Christianity. Though, I'm not sure.
My brother is apolitical, more or less. Tendency toward the right (influenced alot by my Auntie, who is very right wing), and is not afraid of holding absolutely ridiculous opinions - despite realizing how stupid they are. But by and large, he's not interested.

My Oma is an ex-communist party militant, as are a lot of her siblings. My Opa is an ex-Trade Unionist (worked on the wharves, and on ships for most of his life).
Yep.

[Devrim]

I guess I would have to say that love doesn't necessarily run through politics, though it is amusing to think about how certain couples get along. Also I have had significant success converting my partner from libertarian to Marxist views in the time we've been together, we're studying Capital together currently.

I know one couple where the woman is a Kurdish nationalist and the man is a Turkish nationalist. I really do wonder how they get along.

When you talk about you girlfriend being a 'libertarian', do you mean 'anarchist' or are you using it in its modern American sense?

I always feel a little disturbed by people getting into politics because their partners are in it. I am not sure ifbit is a positve dynamic.

Devrim

[Bilan]

I always feel a little disturbed by people getting into politics because their partners are in it. I am not sure ifbit is a positive dynamic.

Devrim

Same, but I take it a little bit further, in that I don't usually like it when the people I date are into, or agree with all my politics. I find it a little bit dull at times. I dated someone who was quite into Situationist politics at the same time that I was, and discussing it was just impossible because hardly any thing was ever said.
My ex-girlfriend got interested in it, and that was okay, and I lent her books and we discussed it. But even that was rarely interesting.

[Invincible Summer]

My dad is relatively liberal... he claims that he used to be a socialist. Tends to be pretty socially liberal but more conservative fiscally.
My mom is pretty damned conservative on all fronts. I get into a lot of arguments with her.
My brother is fairly apathetic.

My fiancee is a left-liberal (a social democrat I guess) now due to my influence (haven't gotten her all the way to becoming an anarchist, but I'm not sure I'd want that anyway). My cynicism for the electoral process and distaste for the business world has rubbed off on her though :cool:

[Devrim]

Same, but I take it a little bit further, in that I don't usually like it when the people I date are into, or agree with all my politics. I find it a little bit dull at times. I dated someone who was quite into Situationist politics at the same time that I was, and discussing it was just impossible because hardly any thing was ever said.
My ex-girlfriend got interested in it, and that was okay, and I lent her books and we discussed it. But even that was rarely interesting.

I don't know. I know people in the organisation who got together after they were both members, and I think that they don't agree on everything and have developed a solidarity that comes through a common struggle, and of course they don't agree on everything. Maybe there is a difference between militant political activty and a few shared ideas. I don't know.
Devrim

[Bilan]

I don't know. I know people in the organisation who got together after they were both members, and I think that they don't agree on everything and have developed a solidarity that comes through a common struggle, and of course they don't agree on everything. Maybe there is a difference between militant political activty and a few shared ideas. I don't know.
Devrim

I think there most certainly is (on the last point). Action clarifies ideas to some degree, but can also reveal their irrelevance to the struggle - something which isn't realized unanimously or immediately, but which discussion, and so on, reveal.

[Random Precision]

When you talk about you girlfriend being a 'libertarian', do you mean 'anarchist' or are you using it in its modern American sense?

I always feel a little disturbed by people getting into politics because their partners are in it. I am not sure ifbit is a positve dynamic.

The American sense. Though her conversion, if you want to call it that, only coincidentally involved me. She studied some Marx in a Classics of Social Thought Class at her school and ask me various questions about what he was saying, liking him more than Adam Smith, John Stuart Mill, Nietzsche etc. That I didn't know a lot of the answers caused us to take up the Capital together to maybe find them.

At least at this point she's not involved in any practical activity. She considers the ISO annoying, for instance, and I suppose we are.

[MarxSchmarx]

Both parents and siblings are pretty much run of the mill social democrats/left liberal types and vote accordingly.

Mom's got a pretty hefty "2nd wave feminist" bent; dad's a former Trot, and about as liberal as they come on social issues. He's a pacifist who also supports the death penalty.

As far as offspring go, my inclination is to get them to the point where they can come to the same conclusions I did :þ

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He's a pacifist who also supports the death penalty.
:laugh:

[Sasha]

dad = social democrat (PVDA/groenlinks)
mom = green pacifist (ex-psp now groenlinks)
older family on mom side communist (CPN)
older family on dads side katholics/conservative social democrats (ARP)

[Il Medico]

Outside of my parents(who I have already dealt with) my family... well, lets just say they watch Glenn Beck's show and don't think its a comedy. Except for my Aunt Dale who is like Social Democrat I guess (as she has expressed sympathies for communism/socialism).

[Misanthrope]

My mom doesn't like talking about politics.. My dad is a Fox-News conservative. My brother is a minarchist, I respect my brother intellectually.

[JohnnyC]

Both of my parents are conservative social-democratic Christians.The rest of my family is apolitical, beside my uncle who is socially very liberal and my sister who is a communist.:)

[Magdalen]

My dad was a Labour Party member during the 70s and 80s, but became an SNP supporter later on in his life. My mum used to be, and still is to a certain degree, very active in solidarity with the Irish struggle, and through that became involved with the anti-revisionist Mosquito Press organisation, meeting Stokely Carmichael at a Korean solidarity conference they organised. My grandparents were relatively apolitical, which the exception of my grandfather who was a rotten old Tory in the pre-Thatcher era.

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My mom doesn't like talking about politics.. My dad is a Fox-News conservative. My brother is a minarchist, I respect my brother intellectually.

Oy, I would not like to be present at that dinner table. Quite the black sheep you must be. Do they know your politics?

[LOLseph Stalin]

Both of my parents are conservative social-democratic Christians.The rest of my family is apolitical, beside my uncle who is socially very liberal and my sister who is a communist.:)

You should get your sister on revleft. :)

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You should get your sister on revleft. :)

I second that, he definitely should. A more representative female presence is greatly needed on revleft.

[Mujer Libre]

Social democrats who don't like capitalism but are too comfortable/busy to do anything about it.

Except for my mum insisting that I take food to squats...

[Dervish]

My dad is a social-democrat and my mom just drags behind my dad.

[LOLseph Stalin]

I second that, he definitely should. A more representative female presence is greatly needed on revleft.

Yes. Females here seem rare. I know of me and two others. That's it.

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Yes. Females here seem rare. I know of me and two others. That's it.

I'm a female, so add one more to your list.

[LOLseph Stalin]

I'm a female, so add one more to your list.

Wow, four whole females on revleft! :ohmy: zomg!

[Misanthrope]

I'm a female, so add one more to your list.

Really? You're a great poster FYI!

[Bright Banana Beard]

I am also female, oh wait. I am jealous now. :'(

[Skin_HeadBanger]

My family's conservative/republican, but in a smart way (being anti-racist). They think that people need government, but they want as little possible. It's hard for me to explain it.


I thought my dad would freak out about me being an anarchist, but he actually kinda likes it. :laugh:

[Schrödinger's Cat]

Father is an American centrist. Last time we discussed politics, he favored a small welfare state, but only if the tax revenue was acquired through a flat percentage-base income tax. On social matters he's a reserved "centrist:" pro-choice, pro-death penalty, pro-aggressive foreign policy, pro-marriage equality.

Mother is a left-liberal. She probably falls comfortably between Kucinich and Hillary Clinton. Out of all my family members, she probably espouses the largest distrust of capitalism. When economic matters are brought up, she's quick to defend unions and worker action groups.

Grandfather and Grandmother on one side are racist conservatives.

Grandfather and Grandmother on the other side are business owners, but they retain very strong left-liberal sympathies, which for me is peculiar, because most business owners around here are ultra-conservative.

Grandmother on a "third side" is a New Deal Democrat. She's apathetic about social issues, but vehemently anti-religious.

[Dervish]

Really? You're a great poster FYI!

We're all a little bit chauvinist or racist :p

[Sentinel]

So what do your parents think politically and do you think it has influenced you at all?

When I grew up they were anti-revisionist Marxist-Leninists. My father is now deceased, but my mom is still a leftist.


Also, if you had children would you make a conscious effort to bring them up with your ideals or would you leave them to develop their own views?

I would do as my parents did: encourage critical thinking. That way they didn't have to 'brainwash' me onto their ideals in any way, I eventually found my way to scientific socialism myself.

I'm an anarchist though.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Mostly apolitical, with some fiscal conservatism thrown in.

[Djehuti]

I come from a working class family and in Sweden the working class almost always vote red. All my family votes either the left, the greens or the social democrats. Most of them on the left. None are very much in to politics though.

[leochaos]

Well, interesting question.I guess,that uness you do a scientific research, you are not going to get an answer.Probably the study has been done, they do research on everything...once I read an interesting book about the psychological impact of the non arrival of the christian Messiah(JC) on the Seventh day Adventist church.Twice their prophet had predicted the return;a lot of members gave away their property,dressed in white and...waited.Actually I guess that all of us are somehow in a similar situation...almost 100 years after the russian revolution and...
It's silly 'example', but probably the comrades who believe their line is the correct/scientific one should consider that...who knows,maybe they are wrong.
Going back to the family,look it makes sense that,if you are exposed to something when you are a kid,then you may accept it.
On the other side there is also the possibility that you reject it.The social situation around you also plays a role. I always wondered how things would have been for me if I had been born in nazi germany.you do not accept commu/anarc in a genetic way...
Living in "democratic" countries at least you have some limited freedom(on paper a lot,but the forms of control now are more efficient),but if I look at my case: father on the right(but not obtuse),mother on the left(I started to get worried when she started to come to our demonstrations.Autonomia's in italy had possibly a 50% rate of ending in violence.
I have 2 advices for young people:
avoid too much confrontation with your family.No need to overdo it.Do whatever you think is right but try to understand that often your parents have been educated/brainwashed or simply reduced to alienated elements of the system.You may end in a similar position later on in life.There is indeed a reason why revolution is for the young...I may write something of how difficult is to mantain some integrity(in a revolutionary way) for years and years.My experience is that anarchists do a better job on this.Stalinists get some sort of "hatred"(not the right world.it is less),the trots go on happily splitting/creating a new more correct tendency.
2nd advice: never forget that indeed things often happen by chance.My mother oriented me to read Gandhi and Tolstoy, the guy selling bread was in the antifascist resistance,one of the first maoist around.At 14 you do not know much,so here I am a silly maoist.Luckily at 18 I had read/understood enough to eliminate Mao and Stalin(he was "good"at scaring the class enemy,I have to admit).After that things were better, for once I stopped believing that scientific marxism/len had all the anwers etc etc To sum up: there are so many chances in life that you may be where you are because you met some guy instead than another.At the end you decide,maybe...Look at how so many honest militants ended up doing bad things.I am not meaning that you can't have a political line.My point is: be aware that smarter people than you took the wrong turn and ended up...
ciao

[Comrade B]

My parents are left, my mother is a communist, my father an Anarchist or something, not exactly sure, he really just hates politicians in general
My brother is a hippy

[Durruti's Ghost]

Conservative. VERY conservative. Like Rush Limbaugh conservative. And that goes for my entire family except my homosexual cousin, who is left-liberal.

[Искра]

My parents are Bolsheviks.... can somebody offer me a worm hug :(

[Mälli]

My mom is a left sympathiser and dad is for anything that works, a humanist. They both vote the green party.

Oh allmost forgot, my brothers an egoist.

[Mala Tha Testa]

Uhhm, my dad is like, center-left economically and pretty right-wing socially, and I get quite angry at him sometimes.
And he frequently calls me "dirty pinko-commie" and "dirty Marxist."

My mom's overall pretty center-left. Supports Obama.

Neither vote. Neither are even registered to vote.

Once in seventh grade, I only vaguely knew about Communist economics or anything, I asked my dad, "Communism doesn't seem too bad, why isn't the whole world Communist?" And due to his reaction I knew I had to check it out more indepth and that's led me to where I am now, on RevLeft. :cool:
Lol.

[Panda Tse Tung]

and that's led me to where I am now, on RevLeft. :cool:
Lol.
my condolances.

[kharacter]

My family on both sides are conservative Christians, but they are from Mexico where Christians (being a minority among Catholics) are not so commonly fundamentalist I believe. I'm glad I got the parents I did, because they are among the most left-leaning of their backgrounds, and they have gotten more so over the years.

Their main influence was that they supported me during my insane period, and my survival of my insane period resulted in my radical leftist views. So had they not been there I probably would have jumped off a building or something and I would not have become this way politically.

Plus, my dad's atheism is the direct cause of mine.

EDIT : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXeFKXahTLk

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

My parents are ex-Republicans deeply disillusioned by the Bush era and influenced by me. They're also both Atheists thanks to both growing up in traumatically-fundamentalist households. Now they're just kinda centrist folks.

All in all, an alright place to live in for a Communist.

[RHIZOMES]

My parents were both fundamentalist Christian hippies, one Kiwi one American.

[RedRise]

My dad's an atheist, my mum has vague belief in god. They're both fairly left leaning, so they're not even remotely phased by my politics. Frankly i don't think they would give much of a damn either way, so the way I see it I'm fairly lucky.:)

[leveller]

Liberal Mother + Fascist Father = Communist Son

[RHIZOMES]

Liberal Mother + Fascist Father = Communist Son

...wut

[redmarxist90]

Both of my parents aren't that political but when it comes to election time my mum votes labour and my dad goes for Liberal Democrats. When it comes round for my brother to start voting i think he will not vote. Although my dad votes lib dem he supports Thatcher although this is probably to wind me up. I got my leftist views form a friend of mine who passed away and the fact that i dislike the 'stuck up' upper class whom inherit their wealth as well as the fact that my family are working class.

[Hoggy_RS]

My family are fairly conservative catholic types. They all vote Fine Gael(my great-grandfather was a Cumann Na nGaedhael TD). All of them are totally oppossed to any kind of left politics, even thinking of the Labour party as being too radical:lol:

[fiddlesticks]

Mother= "independent", voted for Bush twice and then McCain.
Father= hasn't been able to vote since the 80's, convicted felon. He liked Bush, though.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

My mum is a former trot student activist who is now totally out of touch with the left and the working-class and basically any progressive element in society. Her political mindset is still deeply rooted in what she read in the 70s. It's even amusing sometimes to hear the bullshit she says. Unfortunately it appears that she read more pamphlets than Marx. My dad is a supporter of the center-leftist PT. He is actually quite enlightened regarding Marxism, particularly in the fields of history and literary criticism.

[Blackscare]

My dad just told me that he's joined the 9/12 project. :crying:

He's actually going to conservative protests and shit.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

sabotage his protest outings
if he goes by car, deflate the tires
burn his posters

or if you don't like him, kill him in his sleep and make it look like an accident

[Wanted Man]

My dad just told me that he's joined the 9/12 project. :crying:

He's actually going to conservative protests and shit.

I'm sorry. :crying: I just love my country. :crying: And I fear for it. :crying:

[Angry Young Man]

Ever since Glen Beck came about, America terrifies me. I am irrevocably sure that Republicans are fascists. America's power is a sword in the hands of a luntic.