Communist Party of Canada statement with Iran

[Charles Xavier]

Despite waves of state repression, millions of
citizens have taken to the streets across Iran to
protest the rigged Presidential election which
took place on June 12th. The Communist Party of Canada
stands in solidarity with Iranian workers and people in
their efforts to expose and overturn these fraudulent
elections, and with their demand for new, fair and
democratic elections, for the release of all those wrongly
arrested and detained, and for the prosecution of all those
responsible for the crude attempt to falsify the outcome
and for the subsequent state violence

Not only is the current round of elections at issue; the
entire electoral process in Iran is a mockery, designed by
the theocratic regime to thwart the people’s will and to
maintain control by the religious leadership at any cost.
All parties and individual candidates must be preapproved
by the ruling clique, and secular and other
forces critical of the Ahmadinejad regime and the
governing religious order are banned, and subject to
repression, imprisonment, and even execution.

Immediately following the June 12 vote, the “Council of
Guardians” and its “Supreme Religious Leader” Ali
Khamenei declared the elections “fair and democratic”,
and announced the victory for the incumbent President
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, despite overwhelming evidence
to the contrary. When this sham ‘seal of approval’ failed
to dissuade the people for rising up in protest, Khamenei
made a tactical retreat, pledging a limited vote re-count.
At the same time, the ruling “traditionalist right”
mobilized its supporters and launched numerous attacks
on opposition forces, such as the bloody June 14 attack
on the student residences of Teheran University which
left dozens killed and many more injured and detained by
the authorities.

Then the ruling “Council of Guardians” announced that 3
million more votes were “counted” than were actually cast
by voters – three million! – and yet despite this admission,
continued to uphold the bogus re-election of Ahmadinejad.
The Tudeh Party (Iran’s Communist Party) denounced the
fraudulent elections and the vicious repression that
followed. In its June 13 statement, Tudeh’s Central
Committee stated:
“The obvious poll rigging and fixing of millions
of ballots... shows that the spiritual leader and
his armed militias are the organizers of the state
sponsored violence against the will of millions of
Iranians... All social and political forces of the
country should declare the poll’s results as void
and use all means to voice their protests against
this deception perpetrated by the Spiritual
Leader and his armed cronies. Accepting these
election results would be a betrayal of the
people’s vote and would be tantamount to
collusion with a deceitful and backward regime.”
Some in the peace and anti-imperialist movement
internationally have wrongly concluded that because
the Ahmadinejad regime has been targeted by U.S.
imperialism and its regional gendarme, the Zionist state of
Israel, and because certain bourgeois and pro-Western
forces figure among the opposition, that they should
remain silent, or worse, even support the reactionary
regime. This simplistic arithmetic, based on the flawed
notion that ‘the enemy of my enemy is my friend’, is
fundamentally flawed.

The Ahmadinejad regime is not at all a progressive or “proworker”
government, even if at times, it has sided with
anti-imperialist forces internationally. It is a vicious,
reactionary regime which has repeatedly attacked workers’
organizations, students and secular forces, including
imprisonment, torture and murder against its opponents
over the past thirty years of its rule.
But its days are numbered. All out in support of the popular
forces of Iran in their just struggle!

Issued by the Central Executive Committee,
Communist Party of Canada
June 22, 2009

[Bilan]

This isn't on their website. Where did you find this?

[Charles Xavier]

This isn't on their website. Where did you find this?


Its on the website its in a pamphlet format though.

[Raúl Duke]

Despite waves of state repression, millions of
citizens have taken to the streets across Iran to
protest the rigged Presidential election which
took place on June 12th. The Communist Party of Canada
stands in solidarity with Iranian workers and people in
their efforts to expose and overturn these fraudulent
elections, and with their demand for new, fair and
democratic elections, for the release of all those wrongly
arrested and detained, and for the prosecution of all those
responsible for the crude attempt to falsify the outcome
and for the subsequent state violence

Not only is the current round of elections at issue; the
entire electoral process in Iran is a mockery, designed by
the theocratic regime to thwart the people’s will and to
maintain control by the religious leadership at any cost.
All parties and individual candidates must be preapproved
by the ruling clique, and secular and other
forces critical of the Ahmadinejad regime and the
governing religious order are banned, and subject to
repression, imprisonment, and even execution.

Immediately following the June 12 vote, the “Council of
Guardians” and its “Supreme Religious Leader” Ali
Khamenei declared the elections “fair and democratic”,
and announced the victory for the incumbent President
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, despite overwhelming evidence
to the contrary. When this sham ‘seal of approval’ failed
to dissuade the people for rising up in protest, Khamenei
made a tactical retreat, pledging a limited vote re-count.
At the same time, the ruling “traditionalist right”
mobilized its supporters and launched numerous attacks
on opposition forces, such as the bloody June 14 attack
on the student residences of Teheran University which
left dozens killed and many more injured and detained by
the authorities.

Then the ruling “Council of Guardians” announced that 3
million more votes were “counted” than were actually cast
by voters – three million! – and yet despite this admission,
continued to uphold the bogus re-election of Ahmadinejad.
The Tudeh Party (Iran’s Communist Party) denounced the
fraudulent elections and the vicious repression that
followed. In its June 13 statement, Tudeh’s Central
Committee stated:
“The obvious poll rigging and fixing of millions
of ballots... shows that the spiritual leader and
his armed militias are the organizers of the state
sponsored violence against the will of millions of
Iranians... All social and political forces of the
country should declare the poll’s results as void
and use all means to voice their protests against
this deception perpetrated by the Spiritual
Leader and his armed cronies. Accepting these
election results would be a betrayal of the
people’s vote and would be tantamount to
collusion with a deceitful and backward regime.”
Some in the peace and anti-imperialist movement
internationally have wrongly concluded that because
the Ahmadinejad regime has been targeted by U.S.
imperialism and its regional gendarme, the Zionist state of
Israel, and because certain bourgeois and pro-Western
forces figure among the opposition, that they should
remain silent, or worse, even support the reactionary
regime. This simplistic arithmetic, based on the flawed
notion that ‘the enemy of my enemy is my friend’, is
fundamentally flawed.

The Ahmadinejad regime is not at all a progressive or “proworker”
government, even if at times, it has sided with
anti-imperialist forces internationally. It is a vicious,
reactionary regime which has repeatedly attacked workers’
organizations, students and secular forces, including
imprisonment, torture and murder against its opponents
over the past thirty years of its rule.
But its days are numbered. All out in support of the popular
forces of Iran in their just struggle!

Issued by the Central Executive Committee,
Communist Party of Canada
June 22, 2009

Wasn't your (TA II) opinion against the protests? :confused:

[Leo]

Yeah, it seems like his party is supporting "imperialism at work" now :lol:

[Anarkiwi]

They are useing this as a pretex to invade iran,
g.w bush dident win his first election either.

israle and the us are going to invade iran
this hole election thing will make it right in many sheeps eyes.

[Raúl Duke]

Yeah, it seems like his party is supporting "imperialism at work" now :lol:

I'm actually wondering if he's going to explain himself.
Did he change his viewpoint (because his party did, which is pretty pathetic route) or did he stick to it?

[Charles Xavier]

Well I have read some information that was compelling from the Tudeh party and also from Reese Erlich http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/06/28-10

The situation is very complex, Imperialism does have its hand in the pie but it does seem deeper than the "colour revolutions" saying it is entirely CIA is giving too much credit as they are massive mobilizations of workers and students.

It cannot be doubted though that the Imperialist powers are trying to direct the mass movements to fulfill their ends, the situation is too young to call for that.

[#FF0000]

Well I have read some information that was compelling from the Tudeh party and also from Reese Erlich http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/06/28-10

The situation is very complex, Imperialism does have its hand in the pie but it does seem deeper than the "colour revolutions" saying it is entirely CIA is giving too much credit as they are massive mobilizations of workers and students.

It cannot be doubted though that the Imperialist powers are trying to direct the mass movements to fulfill their ends, the situation is too young to call for that.

what_iran_supporters_have_been_saying_since_the_be ginning.txt

[Pogue]

Well I have read some information that was compelling from the Tudeh party and also from Reese Erlich http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/06/28-10

The situation is very complex, Imperialism does have its hand in the pie but it does seem deeper than the "colour revolutions" saying it is entirely CIA is giving too much credit as they are massive mobilizations of workers and students.

It cannot be doubted though that the Imperialist powers are trying to direct the mass movements to fulfill their ends, the situation is too young to call for that.

U-turn!

[Martin Blank]

U-turn!

But will he defend this position publicly? That's the question. I anxiously await the coming deathmatch between manic expression and Tupac Amaru II. :cool:

[ls]

:rolleyes:

Typical brainless thought comes piping out then suddenly "the situation is complex".

We don't need nor care for your crappy analysis anyways, we already have a shitload of brilliant ones thanks.

[Charles Xavier]

:rolleyes:

Typical brainless thought comes piping out then suddenly "the situation is complex".

We don't need nor care for your crappy analysis anyways, we already have a shitload of brilliant ones thanks.

Sorry how come you are insulting me like this? What did I ever do to you? You spend a lot of time of your day trying to locate my posts and send harassing messages.

Further I would like to point out to others ls is telling me I have a sexual fetish.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/../revleft/reputation/reputation_neg.gif Communist Party of... (http://www.revleft.com/vb/../showthread.php?p=1481894#post1481894) 3rd July 2009 08:10 ls (http://www.revleft.com/vb/../member.php?u=19104) darling peanut soup, you cannot help your fetish fetish sexxish

And the situation is very complex, this is a third world country under the boot of imperialism however the government itself is reactionary. The opposition has the trade union movement, women, secular and progressive force in it alongside CIA agents and another part of the bourgeoisie. This is a country where both the working class and the ruling class is divided.

[ls]

My point was that a handful of leftists like you (and parties like your one, the cpc), not all marxist-leninists, just have had a really crappy view of Iran for ages now.

Your analysis is just a slightly less detailed and more "wary" one than the others, why bother?

[scarletghoul]

Despite waves of state repression, millions of
citizens have taken to the streets across Iran to
protest the rigged Presidential election which
took place on June 12th. The Communist Party of Canada
stands in solidarity with Iranian workers and people in
their efforts to expose and overturn these fraudulent
elections, and with their demand for new, fair and
democratic elections, for the release of all those wrongly
arrested and detained, and for the prosecution of all those
responsible for the crude attempt to falsify the outcome
and for the subsequent state violence

Not only is the current round of elections at issue; the
entire electoral process in Iran is a mockery, designed by
the theocratic regime to thwart the people’s will and to
maintain control by the religious leadership at any cost.
All parties and individual candidates must be preapproved
by the ruling clique, and secular and other
forces critical of the Ahmadinejad regime and the
governing religious order are banned, and subject to
repression, imprisonment, and even execution.

Immediately following the June 12 vote, the “Council of
Guardians” and its “Supreme Religious Leader” Ali
Khamenei declared the elections “fair and democratic”,
and announced the victory for the incumbent President
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, despite overwhelming evidence
to the contrary. When this sham ‘seal of approval’ failed
to dissuade the people for rising up in protest, Khamenei
made a tactical retreat, pledging a limited vote re-count.
At the same time, the ruling “traditionalist right”
mobilized its supporters and launched numerous attacks
on opposition forces, such as the bloody June 14 attack
on the student residences of Teheran University which
left dozens killed and many more injured and detained by
the authorities.

Then the ruling “Council of Guardians” announced that 3
million more votes were “counted” than were actually cast
by voters – three million! – and yet despite this admission,
continued to uphold the bogus re-election of Ahmadinejad.
The Tudeh Party (Iran’s Communist Party) denounced the
fraudulent elections and the vicious repression that
followed. In its June 13 statement, Tudeh’s Central
Committee stated:
“The obvious poll rigging and fixing of millions
of ballots... shows that the spiritual leader and
his armed militias are the organizers of the state
sponsored violence against the will of millions of
Iranians... All social and political forces of the
country should declare the poll’s results as void
and use all means to voice their protests against
this deception perpetrated by the Spiritual
Leader and his armed cronies. Accepting these
election results would be a betrayal of the
people’s vote and would be tantamount to
collusion with a deceitful and backward regime.”
Some in the peace and anti-imperialist movement
internationally have wrongly concluded that because
the Ahmadinejad regime has been targeted by U.S.
imperialism and its regional gendarme, the Zionist state of
Israel, and because certain bourgeois and pro-Western
forces figure among the opposition, that they should
remain silent, or worse, even support the reactionary
regime. This simplistic arithmetic, based on the flawed
notion that ‘the enemy of my enemy is my friend’, is
fundamentally flawed.

The Ahmadinejad regime is not at all a progressive or “proworker”
government, even if at times, it has sided with
anti-imperialist forces internationally. It is a vicious,
reactionary regime which has repeatedly attacked workers’
organizations, students and secular forces, including
imprisonment, torture and murder against its opponents
over the past thirty years of its rule.
But its days are numbered. All out in support of the popular
forces of Iran in their just struggle!

Issued by the Central Executive Committee,
Communist Party of Canada
June 22, 2009

I like how its written like a poem

[Lolshevik]

Am I the only one here who thinks we should applaud Tupac for changing his position, instead of mocking him?

[Martin Blank]

Am I the only one here who thinks we should applaud Tupac for changing his position, instead of mocking him?

Only if it's genuine -- if he really believes what he's arguing. If Tupac's new position, however, is disingenuous or not really his own (i.e., he's arguing it only because the CPC took this position), then us mocking him is not the issue. He would already be making a mockery of himself.

[gorillafuck]

Am I the only one here who thinks we should applaud Tupac for changing his position, instead of mocking him?
It's the job of the left to criticize people for holding certain positions and to try to sway them, then to mock them when they actually are swayed.

[Charles Xavier]

My point was that a handful of leftists like you (and parties like your one, the cpc), not all marxist-leninists, just have had a really crappy view of Iran for ages now.

Your analysis is just a slightly less detailed and more "wary" one than the others, why bother?
You didn't read the statement did you?

[ls]

It's more like a diatribe or even a poem but I still read it.

[Charles Xavier]

It's more like a diatribe or even a poem but I still read it.


Its not a poem, its copied and pasted from a pamphlet the formatting is off to make narrow border so you can fold the pamphlet.
http://www.communist-party.ca/news/Statements/2009/Iranflyer.pdf

[Zurdito]

so will you leave the CPC for being lackeys of imperialism?

[Martin Blank]

It's the job of the left to criticize people for holding certain positions and to try to sway them, then to mock them when they actually are swayed.

Was he actually swayed, or is this merely a matter of him following party discipline? That's the question.

[Charles Xavier]

So Idk what you wanted to accomplish by posting this thread, obviously your Marxism/theory in general is not up to par with some of the others on the site and you should be humble and accept that and accept that you cannot fully analyze current events and that no one could possibly gain by being exposed to any of your analysis, or there's the other option that you're the biggest tool on the forum.

Warning point for flaming?


so will you leave the CPC for being lackeys of imperialism?

Huh?


Was he actually swayed, or is this merely a matter of him following party discipline? That's the question.

Well I believe the mass mobilizations are much too large to give the credit to the Imperialist intelligence agencies, they do not have such links with the people. The mobilizations are a genuine example of mass discontent with the reactionary government in Iran. However it is not to say they are not there trying to channel the masses to fulfill their ends.

[Die Neue Zeit]

I don't think so. The WPA comrades are publishing my work soon, which has ideas that challenge their class analysis, for example. As an American Trotskyist, you probably don't like the "odd admiration" of one of the theoreticians in my avatar (and mentioned in my sig). ;)

Let's just say that the WPA's definition of "democratic centralism" is closer to the pre-war SPD than it is to the 1920-1927 Bolshevik party and Comintern.

[Martin Blank]

Well, I for one believe him when he says he's actually changed his mind. But if he is just adhering to party discipline - is that really the worst thing in the world? Even the WPA has a form of democratic centralism to it.

It is "the worst thing in the world" when it is gagging the thought and will of the party membership. Members should have the right to express their own views, even when they differ with the majority position. Every member should be able to explain the majority position, but also have the right to say to fellow workers that they disagree.

The only area where we enforce a "discipline" is when going into a concrete action, where it is necessary to set aside disagreements during the course of an event. But that is by mutual agreement, not administrative fiat.

Now, that said, let's end this side discussion here. This is about the CPC's view on Iran, not the WPA's view on membership rights.

[Martin Blank]

Well I believe the mass mobilizations are much too large to give the credit to the Imperialist intelligence agencies, they do not have such links with the people. The mobilizations are a genuine example of mass discontent with the reactionary government in Iran. However it is not to say they are not there trying to channel the masses to fulfill their ends.

Fair enough. I appreciate the level of nuance you're showing here. I would like to see you make this argument to those you hitherto stood alongside in these arguments, but I doubt it would affect their viewpoints much at all.

[Bilan]

The petty bickering between the various members of the board in this thread have been trashed. Please, it is not necessary nor relevant.
Any issues, feel free to PM me or start a thread in the members forum. Thanks.

[Guerrilla22]

Communist Party of Canada
stands in solidarity with Iranian workers and people in
their efforts to expose and overturn these fraudulent
elections, and with their demand for new, fair and
democratic elections,

This actually would be completely pointless. The objective of the movement should be to toss out the theocratic regime all together, not to settle for Mousavi or Ahmadinejad as the president, a largely token position in Iran, so long as the elections are "free and democratic." Leftist parties should be encouraging the people of Iran to rise up and remove the regime completely.