Have you noticed

[Pogue]

That when we have tendency wars on here, its nearly almost based around history, i.e. the actions of Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, as opposed to actually being us having it out over whether or not there is such a thing as a worker's state, whether or not we need one, etc?

[Communist Theory]

This is a piece of what I was trying to get at in my thread.
Then you dropped the M-L bomb.

[ls]

Where did he say about marxist-leninists? Unless there was some sneaky stealth editing before it says "edited" by it.

[Bright Banana Beard]

Have you notice? They rather talk about the end rather the beginning and the revolution was the first time? Do you notice anything? Sidestepping and throw in other derogatory term in order to preserve his maniness? Do you? Do you!? DO YOU!?

[ls]

no u

[GracchusBabeuf]

Yes I have.

[ʇsıɥɔɹɐuɐ ıɯɐbıɹo]

You're telling me this site talks more about the past than the future?

[Communist Theory]

You're telling me this site talks more about the past than the future?
Pretty much.
We argue over dead mens actions.

[Pirate Utopian]

I blame the Leninists.

[Communist Theory]

I blame the Leninists.
They don't exist.
When I tried to create the tendency I was scolded by the anarchists for "creating a tendency for tendencies sake."

[Misanthrope]

You're telling me this site talks more about the past than the future?

History is our best teacher.

[Faust]

What's wrong with talking about the past? It's a good way to learn, and a good way for us to formulate decisions about the future. It's crucial. However, we do need to think about the future (and the present!) also.

[ls]

That will be my new phrase.

FOR TENDENCY'S SAKE! QUIT THE AD HOMINEMS!

[ʇsıɥɔɹɐuɐ ıɯɐbıɹo]

Just a thought, you know that religions tend to look to the (unchanging) past and try to find new answers?

I say we enjoy the now, provide answers with the tools we have. After all, I'm not a M.D., nor do I have a motorcycle.:lol:

[ZeroNowhere]

Talking about past revolutions is completely and utterly useless when it comes to determining what to do at present or in revolutions in the near future, however, history is interesting.

[More Fire for the People]

Indeed it would be more pertinent to comment on what Trotskyists, Maoists, and anarchists are doing rather than nit-picking the lives of Trotsky, Mao, or Durruti.

[9]

History is our best teacher.

This can be very true, but this is assuming that the constant infatuation with regimes from the past is a manifestation of the desire to learn from history. Personally, I don't think that's the case at all. A lot of it (certainly not all of it) seems to be more about escapism - some desire to relive a bygone era, probably because the present one (particularly in the US) is marked by such impotence on the Left. But this impotence will never change if the Left continues living in the past. I think it is high time we move forward. Continuing to obsess over Soviet Russia only perpetuates negative stereotypes of leftists among much of the proletariat and averts our energies away from the very urgent task of actively creating new ways of raising consciousness and sowing the seeds of revolution.

[Angry Young Man]

Yea, well Kropotkin started it when he denounced the Bolshevik Revolution:tt2:

[Killfacer]

definatly the marxist leninists are paranoid maniac freaks.

[Anarkiwi]

Yeah i notice this nit picking,
the anarchist should take lead disband the anarchist tendacy
and promote revolutionary solidarity
then we can get going with the 21st century revolution.

[NecroCommie]

BAH!!!

I will not ally myself with the revisionists as the likes of you! I only revolt with those communists who see themselves as marxist-leninists, yet abandon the theory of democratic centralism, think that both stalin and trotsky were assholes, shower only on tuesdays and taste like strawberry.

Our movements greatest enemies are communists who see themselves as marxist-leninists, yet abandon the theory of democratic centralism, think that both stalin and trotsky were assholes, shower only on fridays and taste like strawberry. What recreationist scum they are! Can they not realize that marx only showered on tuesdays? There is an obvious hint to that in the communist manifesto's last chapter. The tone clearly indicates that it was written on wednesday and that the author had showered the night before. But then these vile opportunists come and claim that the slight preassure at "n"-letters indicate that instead of wednesday, the chapter would have been written on saturday!

You can keep your false marxism! I will put up my own party consisting of me and half of my friend. Together we will free the proletariat.

[Anarkiwi]

Dumb grow up.

[9]

Yeah i notice this nit picking,
the anarchist should take lead disband the anarchist tendacy
and promote revolutionary solidarity
then we can get going with the 21st century revolution.

How do you "disband" a tendency? The revolutionary left encompasses a range of differing philosophies/ideologies, which is quite healthy, considering we are people and not robots or machines. If anarchists stopped identifying themselves as anarchists, they would still hold all the views that distinguish anarchism as a tendency in the first place. So the only way to "disband tendencies" in this regard would be to forcibly suppress the expression and communication of ideas within the revolutionary left, which would ultimately be fiercely counterproductive to the cause.
Besides, we all share the goal of abolishing capitalism, there is no reason why differing philosophies would have to be "disbanded" in order for anarchists and Communists and other tendencies to promote cross-tendency "revolutionary solidarity". And as far as I'm concerned, those who refuse to work with other tendencies to achieve common goals are fundamentally uninterested in creating change, let alone fighting capitalism and fostering revolution.

[Anarkiwi]

How do you "disband" a tendency? The revolutionary left encompasses a range of differing philosophies/ideologies, which is quite healthy, considering we are people and not robots or machines. If anarchists stopped identifying themselves as anarchists, they would still hold all the views that distinguish anarchism as a tendency in the first place. So the only way to "disband tendencies" in this regard would be to forcibly suppress the expression and communication of ideas within the revolutionary left, which would ultimately be fiercely counterproductive to the cause.
Besides, we all share the goal of abolishing capitalism, there is no reason why differing philosophies would have to be "disbanded" in order for anarchists and Communists and other tendencies to promote cross-tendency "revolutionary solidarity". And as far as I'm concerned, those who refuse to work with other tendencies to achieve common goals are fundamentally uninterested in creating change, let alone fighting capitalism and fostering revolution.

I dont mean not to work with other tendacys i mean instead of this sectarian shit we need revolutionary solidarity yes all our differences are good but when we spend hours argueing over whos better etc,
we waist time organizing the working class revolution.

Keep the tendacys just stop the sectarian wars.

[Pogue]

I dont mean not to work with other tendacys i mean instead of this sectarian shit we need revolutionary solidarity yes all our differences are good but when we spend hours argueing over whos better etc,
we waist time organizing the working class revolution.

Keep the tendacys just stop the sectarian wars.

We don't really waste time. In my organising, the existence of trots is almost an irrelevance. I don't spend time fighting them.

Conflicts will naturally arise and they will have to be dealt with then.

[Communist Theory]

Go Stalin it's your birthday!

[LOLseph Stalin]

We're Commies. It's what we do. Arguing over the actions of a few dead men is fun apperently.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I think I discussed the issue a handful of times before realising it was a cul-de-sac.

[Anarkiwi]

Constructive debate
i get it.

ANARCHY ROCKS COMMUNISIM IS FOR TEENAGERS:rolleyes:

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Constructive debate
i get it.

ANARCHY ROCKS COMMUNISIM IS FOR TEENAGERS:rolleyes:

Look's like someone's had a humourustomy.

[Angry Young Man]

definatly the marxist leninists are paranoid maniac freaks.

I'm so tempted to necromance a certain chit chat fad that got every thread it was in closed,...

...but I must bear Atlas' burden to keep this thread alive. :(









(agreed)

[RedAnarchist]

We can only wonder how much the Left would have progressed by now if it wasn't for the infighting.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Anarchists and Lenin hacks unite you have nothing to lose but your brains.

:rolleyes:

[ls]

^ I will hack my brains out and strap them to your chin! :thumbup1: :thumbup:

Brain chinstraps unite!

[Pirate Utopian]

Typical Leninist:
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