Russian Tsarists, White emigres etc.

[The Idler]

How can I combat the ideas of Russian Tsarists, White emigres etc. at this discussion page for How to Understand the Russian Revolution at wikiHow? (http://www.wikihow.com/Discussion:Understand-the-Russian-Revolution)

[Dimentio]

How can I combat the ideas of Russian Tsarists, White emigres etc. at this discussion page for How to Understand the Russian Revolution at wikiHow? (http://www.wikihow.com/Discussion:Understand-the-Russian-Revolution)

There is a very simple strategy to combat tsarists and white emigrés.

Let them talk.

Anybody who is sane will quickly realise they are speaking with lunatics with no grips on reality. The Russian expat community is ridden with new-agers, antisemites, christian fundamentalists which make Fred Phelps appear as in his full senses, as well as really crazy individuals.

People will take one step back, and then turn around after sticking their foot into that pit of madness.

[Communist Theory]

What's the point?
Idiots will be idiots regardless if you try to educate them.
Look at the idiots at Stormfront I posted on there and came at them with solid facts and all they came back with repeatedly was the Protocols of the Elders Zion and when it became obvious that forgery of a book was the only thing they could think of as a reference the moderators closed the thread and trashed it.

[ComradeOm]

And this is exactly why I stay well away from all Wiki projects

Usually I would suggest that you do reading into the Revolution and the failure of the Tsardom. Figes' A People's Tragedy is a decent mainstream work that covers both while clearing retaining a strong anti-Bolshevik bias. Dealing with Tsarists on an historical level is extremely easy once armed with the simple knowledge that by 1917 Imperial Russia was in the advanced stages of terminal decay. It was a regime in the process of collapse - there's good reason to suspect that the February Revolution of 1917 pre-empted a palace coup by nominally loyal Tsarist ministers. To quote Moshe Lewin, "Lenin was not someone who sought to destroy a healthy, thriving system. Quite the reverse, he (like millions of others) faced a world that was literally in a state of collapse and a disintegrating Russia..."

But largely I recommend all this for your own benefit. Anyone who supports the Tsardom, or pretend that it had a future, in this day and age is either rabidly anti-Bolshevik or simply delusional. I suspect that you'll have very little luck in rewriting a page that begins as below:


The Russian Revolution in 1917 was one of the most significant events of the 20th Century. It is called the October Revolution. It was one of the most epic wars in human history. A battle between between warriors which wished to preserve the greatness of the Old world and those who wanted to create a new world from Iron and Steel. The Outcome would change history forever. :lol:

[Manifesto]

In my school they try to pass off Czars as being Socialist.

[Q]

In my school they try to pass off Czars as being Socialist.
Really? What the hell? This hits a new low on education in my books.

[The Idler]

They've now written an article entitled How to Be an Imperialist (http://www.wikihow.com/Be-an-Imperialist). I was looking for some photo to illustrate the truth of imperialism. Perhaps the one of posh public school boys in top hats next to the working class boys in rags from the early 20th Century could illustrate social inequality? Or isn't there one of the British in Africa slave driving? But I can't find one for imperialism anyway.

[ComradeOm]

Imperialists once were in control of every government of every country. They created vast empires that stretched from sea to sea. Wish to bring back the glorious days of old? With your help the age of empires will return.:lol:

Usually I try and make my Learning posts a bit more useful but I have to ask as to just why you are bothering with this nonsense? Anyone who can take the above seriously (and I have not yet ruled out an elaborate prank) is not likely to be swayed by real-world logic. You can't possibly improve an article titled "How to Be an Imperialist"

[rednordman]

In my school they try to pass off Czars as being Socialist.:confused:Honestly, please tell me your bull-shitting me.

[The Idler]

:lol:

Usually I try and make my Learning posts a bit more useful but I have to ask as to just why you are bothering with this nonsense? Anyone who can take the above seriously (and I have not yet ruled out an elaborate prank) is not likely to be swayed by real-world logic. You can't possibly improve an article titled "How to Be an Imperialist"
Well I added The Ordinary Person's Guide to Empire by Arundhati Roy, The Age of Empire by Eric Hobsbawm and stuff about Cecil Rhodes. I'd say this improves it. I was hoping to find more keen imperialists like Cecil Rhodes who represent what's abominable about imperialism.

[The Idler]

Appreciate the Russian Revolution (http://www.wikihow.com/Appreciate-the-Russian-Revolution) is now being vandalised by Byzantine Knight.