post-anarchism

[berlitz23]

Can somebody give me a firmer grasp on the principles on post-anarchism, please don't link me to a website I am curious on what anarchists on this website personally feel and understand about the emergence of this new current of thought.

[bricolage]

Can somebody give me a firmer grasp on the principles on post-anarchism, please don't link me to a website I am curious on what anarchists on this website personally feel and understand about the emergence of this new current of thought.

This is post-structuralist anarchism right?

I tried to read the Todd May book but didn't get very far, I know you didn't want links but there is a good interview here; http://flag.blackened.net/ias/8may.htm

I'll probably be pretty unpopular with most of the anarchists, well most of the everyone, here when I say that I do think post-structuralism does have stuff to offer, especially see this as in regards to Foucauldian power analysis. I feel you can agree with post-structuralism without calling yourself a post-structuralist and without agreeing with a lot of the crap involved with the approach.

[Organic Revolution]

Post anarchism? What an absurd conception. How can something be post if it hasnt past the point at which it was pre?

There is no anarchist societies existing anywhere, so post anarchism can exist on that fact alone.

Post anarchism sounds like something that college kids say to feel self important.

Crackers.

[berlitz23]

Well this post-anarchism tries to dovetail post-structuralism with anarchism and this is what triggered my interest, so that is why I am intrigued by this "post" label attached to it, thanks barabbas. Is Todd May's book intelligible and lucid from what you have read? meaning he doesn't provide opaque ideas about this movement

[Black Sheep]

Can somebody give me a firmer grasp on the principles on post-anarchism, please don't link me to a website I am curious on what anarchists on this website personally feel and understand about the emergence of this new current of thought.
Noone can say - Communism/Anarchism will have to develop and solidify themselves.
They probably are not the final socio-economic mode (as history tells us).
Although they are classless,so no new 'class' could rise to challenge the (non-existent) ruling one, so maybe under them certain changes will occur that will render them unfit or obsolete.

I m guessing, in a totally abstract,imaginative and idiotic way, things about radical scientific development and/or aliens. :D

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[bricolage]

Post anarchism? What an absurd conception. How can something be post if it hasnt past the point at which it was pre?

I agree, that's why I think postanarchism is a bad label, poststructuralist anarchism works much better.


Well this post-anarchism tries to dovetail post-structuralism with anarchism and this is what triggered my interest, so that is why I am intrigued by this "post" label attached to it, thanks barabbas. Is Todd May's book intelligible and lucid from what you have read? meaning he doesn't provide opaque ideas about this movement

Ummm, well I didn't get through all of it so I can't say completely but it was readable, I just was very busy at the time so ended up abandoning it. To be honest I never actually got to the poststructuralist anarchism chapters so can't say much about them. I think I'll give it another read though and then I could tell you more

[Revy]

Post-anarchism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-anarchism) has a wiki article....

[berlitz23]

Post-anarchism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-anarchism) has a wiki article....

I am aware but I don't want wiki articles, I am interested in hearing from the rev left community.

[bluerev002]

Post anarchism? What an absurd conception. How can something be post if it hasnt past the point at which it was pre?

There is no anarchist societies existing anywhere, so post anarchism can exist on that fact alone.

Post anarchism sounds like something that college kids say to feel self important.

Crackers.

It's a theory. There can be anything and everything in theory. And there is pre-anarchism, we are in it. I mean, there is communism, and there have been no communist societies yet we can speak of it freely. We can speak of anything in theory.

p.s. why would college kids want to feel self important?

[Black Dagger]

I don't know if there is anything real that could be accurately called post-anarchism. Now, there could be self-identifying 'post-anarchists' out there but as someone interested in post-structuralist ideas (particularly their application in history writing/for historiography) i personally have never heard of a post-anarchist grouping, collective, discussion group, pairing... individual? Maybe... a few... well... on Revleft. But they were no post-structuralists.

I think 'post-anarchism' may actually be an invention via internet. Certainly there is a few post-structuralist and post-structuralist influenced anarchists out there, a few academic 'anarchists' too, but some kind of post-structuralist anarchism? Like a real synthesis of the two? No.

As an anarchist i take elements of a post-structuralist critique to some issues, like identity politics, history (against historical materialism), ideology, but that is not 'post-anarchism'. I think post-stucturalist ideas can be be useful to anarchists, and are a powerful tool against ideologies like marxism and liberalism, but beyond that? I don't see how post-structuralism can ever be anything but an intellectual spark, an inspiration for critique and analysis - an influence on anarchist politics rather than some kind of separate entity ('post-anarchism').

[berlitz23]

Yeah I have been trying to research on post-anarchism and there is no extensive, comprehensive overview of this ostensible 'movement' I understand it might be in its incipient and infantile stages as a developing ideology, but there is no viable primer on their views, maybe I am not discovering the correct websites but I don't know. That is why I resorted to Revleft thinking maybe a few people here might have an idea, but it seems we are all imprisoned by speculation. Anyways, thanks for the help hopefully there will be someone who can flesh out the ideas a bit more, to make it more accessible instead of reducing it to just books, because at the present I cannot find these books.

[Black Dagger]

This is post-structuralist anarchism right?

I tried to read the Todd May book but didn't get very far, I know you didn't want links but there is a good interview here; http://flag.blackened.net/ias/8may.htm

I'll probably be pretty unpopular with most of the anarchists, well most of the everyone, here when I say that I do think post-structuralism does have stuff to offer, especially see this as in regards to Foucauldian power analysis. I feel you can agree with post-structuralism without calling yourself a post-structuralist and without agreeing with a lot of the crap involved with the approach.

Yes i can agree with that, but what was up with that book? Too dense? Is it really an attempt to sketch a workable post-structuralist anarchist POV? Does he address anarchism directly or not?

[Stranger Than Paradise]

These are the common aspects of Post-Anarchism based on some Post-structuaralism and Foucaults theories:

- The misalignment of the subject in relation to discourse
- The denaturalization of the body and sexuality
- The rejection of the repressive hypothesis
- Foucault's genealogy
- The deconstruction of the binary opposition of western thought
- The deconstruction of gender roles through feminist post structuralism

[bricolage]

Yes i can agree with that, but what was up with that book? Too dense? Is it really an attempt to sketch a workable post-structuralist anarchist POV? Does he address anarchism directly or not?

Ah I didn't actually have problems so to speak with the book I just got sidetracked and was very busy at the time so didn't get through it. There is a chapter called anarchism that starts out with a history of it and goes into the theory of it quite well so he does have a firm grasping of anarchism and isn't just talking about something he has no idea about.

[DIzzIE]

Can somebody give me a firmer grasp on the principles on post-anarchism, please don't link me to a website I am curious on what anarchists on this website personally feel and understand about the emergence of this new current of thought.

Huh? So in other words you don't want any intricate explanations that have already been written elsewhere (for some unexplained reason), but instead you want members here to reinvent the wheel for you. How patently absurd.

I'd tell you to go read Lewis Call's Introduction to his aptly titled Postmodern Anarchism (http://books.google.com/books?id=O0UOPAn2hJwC&pg=PP1), wherein he talks about intersecting anarchy with post-* thought in detail, but why would anyone waste their time rephrasing what has already been said elsewhere in greater detail simply because you apparently can't be arsed to read it?

[berlitz23]

Huh? So in other words you don't want any intricate explanations that have already been written elsewhere (for some unexplained reason), but instead you want members here to reinvent the wheel for you. How patently absurd.

I'd tell you to go read Lewis Call's Introduction to his aptly titled Postmodern Anarchism (http://books.google.com/books?id=O0UOPAn2hJwC&pg=PP1), wherein he talks about intersecting anarchy with post-* thought in detail, but why would anyone waste their time rephrasing what has already been said elsewhere in greater detail simply because you apparently can't be arsed to read it?

because when people provide links that normally concludes the discussion in most cases, I wanted to see if I could derive any knowledge or ideas about the movement from the board.