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Richard Nixon
30th June 2009, 22:28
So why are you restricted?
I am restricted because I'm a conservative Republican and am a self-proclaimed Counter-Revolutionist.
Bud Struggle
30th June 2009, 22:34
I own a factory. :(
I'm also a member of CPUSA and a former member of IWW.:tt2:
scarletghoul
30th June 2009, 22:35
CPUSA members are restricted?
LOLseph Stalin
30th June 2009, 22:40
CPUSA members are restricted?
Ones who own factories apperently.
Bud Struggle
30th June 2009, 22:44
CPUSA members are restricted?
It's the factory thing mostly. :( I'm an entreprenureal business man. I'm not much interested in things like economic theory--but I am really interested in how people lead their lives. What they believe for the future and what they need to get them through their lives.
If I though Communism would really work, for ALL people, I'd really be a Communist in a second--could anything be any better?
But one could also look at the Forbes 400 billionaires and see that the vast majority are self made.
A conundrum.
mykittyhasaboner
30th June 2009, 22:48
Lol, CPUSA lets factory owners apply and become members? Fucking pathetic.
Oh, and about the vast majority of Forbes 400 billionaires being "self made"; I didn't know employing (ahem, exploiting) hundreds of people, or inheriting wealth is anything that could be called "self made." This old "I started out poor and became rich, so capitalism is great" argument is really old, tiresome, and laughable.
LOLseph Stalin
30th June 2009, 22:48
But one could also look at the Forbes 400 billionaires and see that the vast majority are self made.
You do realize that many people become wealthy by just guessing on the stockmarket, right? Of course this completely negates the common argument of "Capitalists work hard thus deserve their millions".
scarletghoul
30th June 2009, 22:53
Haha, so they let you in the CPUSA even tho youre not a communist and youre a capitalist exploiter, thats crazii! Those guys are really desperate to get into the mainstream..
Bud Struggle
30th June 2009, 22:53
You do realize that many people become wealthy by just guessing on the stockmarket, right? Of course this completely negates the common argument of "Capitalists work hard thus deserve their millions".
There are some people in the union making $75 an hour, too.
I'm kind of living the selfmade lifetyle (tho' no Forbes anything here)--and BY FREAKIN' FAR most people that are self made work pretty hard.
OneNamedNameLess
30th June 2009, 22:55
Lol, CPUSA lets factory owners apply and become members? Fucking pathetic.
Oh, and about the vast majority of Forbes 400 billionaires being "self made"; I didn't know employing (ahem, exploiting) hundreds of people, or inheriting wealth is anything that could be called "self made." This old "I started out poor and became rich, so capitalism is great" argument is really old, tiresome, and laughable.
My parents have worked like dogs their whole lives and so have the rest of my family and none of them are 'made' just yet. I can play that game too.
mkhb is correct. That is an old argument. Look at the 'self-made' UK middle class at the moment. After years of growth manyof them are forced into settling for lower paid, part time work and the like. The majority of people work extremely hard and get nowhere. Unemployed students are another perfect example. We have thousands at the moment.
Nwoye
30th June 2009, 22:57
So why are you restricted?
I am restricted because I'm a conservative Republican and am a self-proclaimed Counter-Revolutionist.
why would you choose Richard Nixon as your name if you're a conservative? Nixon went against everything conservatives claim to support (limited government, free markets).
OneNamedNameLess
30th June 2009, 22:57
There are some people in the union making $75 an hour, too.
I'm kind of living the selfmade lifetyle (tho' no Forbes anything here)--and BY FREAKIN' FAR most people that are self made work pretty hard.
These people are the minority though, just like those billionaires you mentioned. We can't all establish successful businesses you know.
Richard Nixon
30th June 2009, 22:58
why would you choose Richard Nixon as your name if you're a conservative? Nixon went against everything conservatives claim to support (limited government, free markets).
I'm a conservative foreign policy wise and lean towards that on social issues but I'm rather populist on economic issues. For example I supported the bailout plan, more regulations on the economy, and so on.
LOLseph Stalin
30th June 2009, 22:59
There are some people in the union making $75 an hour, too.
I'm kind of living the selfmade lifetyle (tho' no Forbes anything here)--and BY FREAKIN' FAR most people that are self made work pretty hard.
I will admit that many Capitalists do work hard, but they exploit others in the process. This is what we're against. So out of curiousity why are you a member of CPUSA when you're not even a Communist? I have to say they seem pretty desperate if they're allowing Capitalists in.
Bud Struggle
30th June 2009, 22:59
Lol, CPUSA lets factory owners apply and become members? Fucking pathetic. Anyone can apply--it's not the Buildenburgers.
This old "I started out poor and became rich, so capitalism is great" argument is really old, tiresome, and laughable. I did it. (Though not in Forbes--by far.) Dad was an immigrant from Poland worked in a factory for no money. I started serial businesses starting when I was 16 and just accumulated. It's not hard. Interesting thing is I have 3 siblings and we ALL did well. We worked at it--but America was good to us. I will agree you can't do in other parts of the world what you can do in the USA.
Bud Struggle
30th June 2009, 23:02
I will admit that many Capitalists do work hard, but they exploit others in the process. This is what we're against. So out of curiousity why are you a member of CPUSA when you're not even a Communist? I have to say they seem pretty desperate if they're allowing Capitalists in.
I am a Communist. I'm all for the Revolution. I want to be "Glorious Leader Bud" when it's all done.
Bud Struggle
30th June 2009, 23:05
These people are the minority though, just like those billionaires you mentioned. We can't all establish successful businesses you know.
But YOU can and I can if we want. Most people have no interest in being entrepreneaurs--most like a good job and a nice life.
The billionaires club is for those that want to join. I have no desire to do so myself.
OneNamedNameLess
30th June 2009, 23:07
Anyone can apply--it's not the Buildenburgers.
I did it. (Though not in Forbes--by far.) Dad was an immigrant from Poland worked in a factory for no money. I started serial businesses starting when I was 16 and just accumulated. It's not hard. Interesting thing is I have 3 siblings and we ALL did well. We worked at it--but America was good to us. I will agree you can't do in other parts of the world what you can do in the USA.
Similar story to you in the reverse. Father is an Italian immigrant who is very intelligent. His folks couldn't afford to send him to uni (which still happens a lot in Italy as higher education benefits the already wealthy) and he came here. He actually opened up a restaurant before he worked in construction which went well for a couple of years but increased competition killed it. My mother never excelled at school and has worked in a factory for shit wages for twenty years. Your idea that we can all start a business and move up the social ladder just like that is inacurate to say the least.
mykittyhasaboner
30th June 2009, 23:09
Anyone can apply--it's not the Buildenburgers.
If it was an actual organization dedicated to the overthrow of capitalism, then such an organization should exclude applications from people who are part of the propertied class, as well as anti-communists. You probably just had to send them in money to get accepted. That is pathetic, the CPUSA is about as revolutionary as the democratic party.
I did it. (Though not in Forbes--by far.) Dad was an immigrant from Poland worked in a factory for no money. I started serial businesses starting when I was 16 and just accumulated. It's not hard. Interesting thing is I have 3 siblings and we ALL did well. We worked at it--but America was good to us. I will agree you can't do in other parts of the world what you can do in the USA.
Yeah its so easy, right? Tell that to millions of other people who don't have enough money to feed themselves or their families, especially in your precious America.
LOLseph Stalin
30th June 2009, 23:10
I am a Communist. I'm all for the Revolution. I want to be "Glorious Leader Bud" when it's all done.
Ah ok. I was under the impression that you weren't.
OneNamedNameLess
30th June 2009, 23:11
But YOU can and I can if we want. Most people have no interest in being entrepreneaurs--most like a good job and a nice life.
The billionaires club is for those that want to join. I have no desire to do so myself.
Not everyone has the skills to become a bloody billionaire. Everyone has different talents. Establishing businesses is not suited to everyone. Many people have tried and failed. The economy is not kind to everyone.
Bud Struggle
30th June 2009, 23:14
Similar story to you in the reverse. Father is an Italian immigrant who is very intelligent. His folks couldn't afford to send him to uni (which still happens a lot in Italy as higher education benefits the already wealthy) and he came here. He actually opened up a restaurant before he worked in construction which went well for a couple of years but increased competition killed it. My mother never excelled at school and has worked in a factory for shit wages for twenty years. Your idea that we can all start a business and move up the social ladder just like that is inacurate to say the least.
Nope...so you fail alot. You just keep on trying. All the successful business men built their businesses on piles of faild projects. I had a bunch myself.
Winners never quit and quitters never win--that's pretty true. My father never went to uni--I put myself through College with a business I ran from my basement, but then the business successes are all the same--the failures are all spectacularly different.
Not everyone has the skills to become a bloody billionaire. Everyone has different talents. Establishing businesses is not suited to everyone. Many people have tried and failed. The economy is not kind to everyone. Agreed.
danyboy27
30th June 2009, 23:14
i am restricted beccause i asked for it, was pissed of the damn hatred of some anti-revisionist figures, and was a social democrat back then.
i am not a social democrat anymore, but i guess i dropped too much shit over the anti revisionist, so they dont want to let me out.
OneNamedNameLess
30th June 2009, 23:17
Well hats off to you Tom k. I will inform my father that he must keep trying and one day he will succeed. Forget the mortgage, you are right, we should all go off on new and exciting business ventures :)
scarletghoul
30th June 2009, 23:17
What are you now spetnaz21?
Nwoye
30th June 2009, 23:21
I'm a conservative foreign policy wise and lean towards that on social issues but I'm rather populist on economic issues. For example I supported the bailout plan, more regulations on the economy, and so on.
that's reasonable, but i don't think that makes you a conservative.
Demogorgon
30th June 2009, 23:22
If it was an actual organization dedicated to the overthrow of capitalism, then such an organization should exclude applications from people who are part of the propertied class, as well as anti-communists. You probably just had to send them in money to get accepted. That is pathetic, the CPUSA is about as revolutionary as the democratic party.
Because naturally the best way to build a mass party is to have stringent and intimidating background checks so that the dozen or so who actually get in are completely pure? :rolleyes:
No party will ever get anywhere doing that.
Dr Mindbender
30th June 2009, 23:22
I'm kind of living the selfmade lifetyle (tho' no Forbes anything here)--and BY FREAKIN' FAR most people that are self made work pretty hard.
I fully agree, the most are. The ones that pull themselves up by the bootstraps are the ones we need to watch because they provide capitalism with a justification.
My problem is its highly inconsistent because hard work doesnt guarantee the same privilege (or anything approaching it for that matter). The privilege that is dished out is sustained by rolling across the logs of menial labour, suffering and poverty. Which is unnecesssary and plain wrong.
Bud Struggle
30th June 2009, 23:25
Well hats off to you Tom k. I will inform my father that he must keep trying and one day he will succeed. Forget the mortgage, you are right, we should all go off on new and exciting business ventures :)
Hey, lots of people succeed and lots fail--but the ones the succeed fail more than they succeed.
The only real failure is when you give up.
Nwoye
30th June 2009, 23:31
The only real failure is when you give up.
or when you become homeless and die. whichever comes first.
Bud Struggle
30th June 2009, 23:39
Because naturally the best way to build a mass party is to have stringent and intimidating background checks so that the dozen or so who actually get in are completely pure? :rolleyes:
No party will ever get anywhere doing that.
From what I understand the Socialist Party of Great Britian which stared in 1907 with 150 members gives a "test" on Communism to applicants.
It has 147 members today.
swirling_vortex
30th June 2009, 23:53
I'm not sure why people are rallying against Bud here. Sure, not everyone has the skills to become successful in business, but that certainty doesn't mean we should trample on those who do make it. We will need people like Bud because we will be the owners of our production, which means we will need the knowledge of not only how to operate and apply our skills, but also in being able to work with others. Managers won't be around anymore, so we'll need those skills if collective business organizing is to be successful.
Black Dagger
1st July 2009, 00:13
Yeah! Don't be mean to the bosses, 'we need them'... for all their 'skills' :unsure: :thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:
Jazzratt
1st July 2009, 00:17
I'm not sure about whether I should keep this thread open or not. I did leave the question off the Inmates Introductions thread and it's always interesting to read why people (think they) are restricted here.
danyboy27
1st July 2009, 00:30
What are you now spetnaz21?
i am not maoist and i am not leninist.
have a good day praising dead dictator.
Bud Struggle
1st July 2009, 00:40
I'm not sure why people are rallying against Bud here. Sure, not everyone has the skills to become successful in business, but that certainty doesn't mean we should trample on those who do make it. We will need people like Bud because we will be the owners of our production, which means we will need the knowledge of not only how to operate and apply our skills, but also in being able to work with others. Managers won't be around anymore, so we'll need those skills if collective business organizing is to be successful.
Thank you.
And you are right. Communist, Capitalist, Feudal--no matter. Society will always need people that make things happen, make things work. The Commissars, the businessmen, the barons. All much the same.
Under Communism we all will work to make things flow, but there needs to be coordinators of that flow--people with an overarching vision and the visionaries of Capitalism will be the visionaries of Communism.
We are the same people.
Robert
1st July 2009, 00:54
I have no idea why I'm restricted. Probably a misunderstanding. :lol:
Actually, I am restricted because I am an elitist and think communism as it has developed and evolved in every place where tried has been dull, grey, paranoid, totalitarian, and murderous. And I think it had to develop that way for a lot of reasons, mention of which is itself a probable basis for restriction.
The stateless, classless world to which "true communism" aspires is absurdly utopian. (Their utopia, not mine.) It is a recipe for endless haranguing and complaint-filled meetings, where no one will take initiative for anything. Everyone will be frustrated, among other things, and nothing will get done until I -- er, I mean somebody -- takes over.
I have no despotic aspirations myself, of course.:closedeyes:
Qwerty Dvorak
1st July 2009, 01:34
I used to be in the Commie Club but became a reformist. Now I'd class myself as a social democrat but it's not an idealistic or ideological thing, just practical.
Full story here http://www.revleft.com/vb/okay-im-reformist-t84898/index.html?p=1200173#post1200173
Black Dagger
1st July 2009, 02:17
Thank you.
And you are right. Communist, Capitalist, Feudal--no matter. Society will always need people that make things happen, make things work. The Commissars, the businessmen, the barons. All much the same.
Under Communism we all will work to make things flow, but there needs to be coordinators of that flow--people with an overarching vision and the visionaries of Capitalism will be the visionaries of Communism.
We are the same people.
So in a nut-shell... you don't care what society looks like, just as long as you stay in charge :rolleyes:
Kwisatz Haderach
1st July 2009, 02:27
Actually, I am restricted because I am an elitist and think communism as it has developed and evolved in every place where tried has been dull, grey, paranoid, totalitarian, and murderous.
So we could neutralize 40% of your objections to communism just by painting everything in vivid colours? Comrades, why didn't we think of this before?
Robert
1st July 2009, 03:17
So we could neutralize 40% of your objections to communism just by painting everything in vivid colours?
I could elaborate and provide additional objections, KH, but what's the point since you won't even concede the first five?
I salute your arithmetic, however. See what a good bourgeois education can do?
swirling_vortex
1st July 2009, 03:39
Yeah! Don't be mean to the bosses, 'we need them'... for all their 'skills'
So in a nut-shell... you don't care what society looks like, just as long as you stay in charge :rolleyes:
Your rambling and finger pointing is causing you to miss the point. If you truly believe that the working class needs to overthrow the system, then they also need the knowledge in order to manage it once the bosses are gone. Revolution alone isn't going to create a successful society, there are many other parts to economic organizing that need to be put in place. The working class needs to know how to be their own managers and be able to self-sustain themselves. The only way the working class is going to get educated are by people who have experience in that field. Otherwise, you're either going to end up in a multitude of business failues due to poor management or you end up with another Soviet Union where the state or another authoritarian body seizes everything.
The choice, however, is up to you. But don't throw out the baby with the bath water.
Black Dagger
1st July 2009, 03:54
Sorry but you've missed my point. We don't need bosses, bosses are simply workers who don't do 'work' anymore - in a communist society i doubt very much that a class of order-givers and bum-spankers will be necessary (well maybe the latter).
We're the ones who do the work! That's why we're called workers, and they are 'bosses' or 'managers' - people who boss workers around, i.e. 'manage them'. The actual task of coordinating and organising is frequently left to the actual workers.
swirling_vortex
1st July 2009, 04:13
Sorry but you've missed my point. We don't need bosses, bosses are simply workers who don't do 'work' anymore - in a communist society i doubt very much that a class of order-givers and bum-spankers will be necessary (well maybe the latter).
We're the ones who do the work! That's why we're called workers, and they are 'bosses' or 'managers' - people who boss workers around, i.e. 'manage them'. The actual task of coordinating and organising is frequently left to the actual workers.
Again, you're generalizing. Yes, it is the workers who ultimately make the product or provide the service, but there's so much more to a business than just doing that. You have finances that make sure your company doesn't go bankrupt, you have marketing so that people will use your products, you have strategic planning that tries to introduce new products, you have human resources that determine who gets hired and who gets let go, you have public relations, and a lot more to contend with. These are all factors that have to be taken into account and if we strive for common ownership of a business, then everybody needs to be familiar with these areas of production.
Robert
1st July 2009, 04:15
The actual task of coordinating and organising is frequently left to the actual workers.
Who "frequently" become managers, shift leaders, supervisors, with consequent higher salaries. They can turn down the promotions if they want. But they usually don't. Would you?
I understand why one would decline promotion, by the way, as it alienates you from your co-workers, but increase in responsibility and wage is appealing to most people. That's another facet of "human nature" that I am told here does not really exist.
SocialPhilosophy
1st July 2009, 09:04
I Oppose Abortion.
LOLseph Stalin
1st July 2009, 09:07
I Oppose Abortion.
^This would explain this:
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SocialPhilosophy
1st July 2009, 09:18
^This would explain this:
what part?
LOLseph Stalin
1st July 2009, 09:19
what part?
The restriction because you oppose abortion.
SocialPhilosophy
1st July 2009, 09:21
The restriction because you oppose abortion.
but isnt that the point of this thread? to point out why you are restricted?
LOLseph Stalin
1st July 2009, 09:25
but isnt that the point of this thread? to point out why you are restricted?
Yes it is. That post was actually a mistake on my part. I thought I was posting in the abortion thread, but turns out I wasn't! I'm way too tired...
Black Dagger
1st July 2009, 09:42
Again, you're generalizing. Yes, it is the workers who ultimately make the product or provide the service, but there's so much more to a business than just doing that. You have finances that make sure your company doesn't go bankrupt, you have marketing so that people will use your products, you have strategic planning that tries to introduce new products, you have human resources that determine who gets hired and who gets let go, you have public relations, and a lot more to contend with. These are all factors that have to be taken into account and if we strive for common ownership of a business, then everybody needs to be familiar with these areas of production.
but there's so much more to a business than just doing that.
You don't seem to appreciate that capitalism /=/ communism :confused:
Mate, what do you expect a classless society would look like?
Marketing departments?
Product strategies?
Er... ok.
Yes, of course the management of stuff (that is data etc. as opposed to people) is necessary, but again this is not a secret art handed down by the bourgeoisie to their children.
Honestly, you make it sound like bosses are some kind of exceptional breed who do extraordinary things that would leave most people scratching their heads in amazement.:rolleyes:
You have finances that make sure your company doesn't go bankrupt
Always a major concern in a classless society no doubt.
if we strive for common ownership of a business
I think you missed your stop man, communists don't strive to create a society of petit-bourgeois, or mini-business people. 'Business' in the sense you are using it throughout your entire post has a total of zero relevance to 'communism'.
Commerce student in commie clothing?
RGacky3
1st July 2009, 10:36
Just to clear it up for everyone (people still ask), I'm restricted for being against abortion.
SocialPhilosophy
1st July 2009, 10:42
Just to clear it up for everyone (people still ask), I'm restricted for being against abortion.
*highfive.*
Also, more or less, i am restricted because i think people aught to be responsible for their actions. *gasp*
Black Dagger
1st July 2009, 11:25
Yeah coz forcing a woman to be pregnant for nine-months, maybe lose her job or income, physical mobility - basically her whole lifestyle, that's the same as 'people' being responsible for their actions? What about the guy who knocked her up? Opposing abortion punishes and subjugates women to men, who despite all your jabbering about responsibility bear a total of zero responsibility in that outcome, it's not like a pregnant woman can share that with anyone, you're punishing women specifically whilst giving men a free pass, how 'responsible' :rolleyes:
RGacky3
1st July 2009, 11:47
bear a total of zero responsibility in that outcome
Ever heard of child care payments? The other way around pretty much puts the man at the whims of the woman, as he has no say whether or not he'll have to be making those payments, / have a child (and face social stigma if he does'nt look after the child.) It goes both ways.
SocialismOrBarbarism
1st July 2009, 11:53
Opposing abortion punishes and subjugates women to men
I know this isn't the proper thread, but can you elaborate on this point a little further? I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at.
SocialPhilosophy
1st July 2009, 12:06
Yeah coz forcing a woman to be pregnant for nine-months, maybe lose her job or income, physical mobility - basically her whole lifestyle, that's the same as 'people' being responsible for their actions? What about the guy who knocked her up? Opposing abortion punishes and subjugates women to men, who despite all your jabbering about responsibility bear a total of zero responsibility in that outcome, it's not like a pregnant woman can share that with anyone, you're punishing women specifically whilst giving men a free pass, how 'responsible' :rolleyes:
nobody is forcing anyone to be pregnant. physical mobility is a side effect of that pesky pregnancy, unwanted or not. the fact remains that if you do not have sex, you cant get pregnant. but if you do have sex, then you should use birth control properly. if not, no matter who botches it, the woman or the man, the child that will be has a right to life.
I don't know about the rest of the world, but In America, we have to pay child support if a guy splits on a baby, or support the baby anyways. or we can give it up to an adoption agency, and have them a nice stable home, instead of the usual "low income household" excuse.
(side note, i am not pro life. i am anti abortion.)
LeninBalls
1st July 2009, 13:04
nobody is forcing anyone to be pregnant.
Unprotected rape is pretty cool.
SocialPhilosophy
1st July 2009, 13:06
Unprotected rape is pretty cool.
when one percent of all 42 million abortions worldwide are due to rape or incest, its not as big an issue as the rest.
RGacky3
1st July 2009, 13:11
when one percent of all 42 million abortions worldwide are due to rape or incest, its not as big an issue as the rest.
Its a big issue to the person that got raped.
That being said, 1 crime doesn't justify the second.
Sugar Hill Kevis
1st July 2009, 13:12
Dad was an immigrant from Poland worked in a factory for no money. I started serial businesses starting when I was 16 and just accumulated. It's not hard. Interesting thing is I have 3 siblings and we ALL did well. We worked at it--but America was good to us. I will agree you can't do in other parts of the world what you can do in the USA.
My dad was one of seven children to Irish/Polish parents who came to America. He was a real flag waving patriot. He bought in to everything America has ever told him.
My dad was in the USAF, team sergeant. When he reachedretirement age my dad asked for a six month extention just to pay off his mortgage, he was declined and subsequently lost his house. Because of this, he lost all contact with his son and moved back in with my step mother (they'd previously split up), their phone line was switched off most of the time since they couldn't pay the bill...
He was promised new career working with Badbington technologies, travelling over the world teaching US troops how to operate some super cooker or something, that fell through.
My USAF patriot father spent the last few years of his life stacking soda on to a truck 8 hours a day... I know this post is a bit of an appeal to emotion, but America isn't kind to everyone...
SocialPhilosophy
1st July 2009, 13:17
My dad was one of seven children to Irish/Polish parents who came to America. He was a real flag waving patriot. He bought in to everything America has ever told him.
My dad was in the USAF, team sergeant. When he reachedretirement age my dad asked for a six month extention just to pay off his mortgage, he was declined and subsequently lost his house. Because of this, he lost all contact with his son and moved back in with my step mother (they'd previously split up), their phone line was switched off most of the time since they couldn't pay the bill...
He was promised new career working with Badbington technologies, travelling over the world teaching US troops how to operate some super cooker or something, that fell through.
My USAF patriot father spent the last few years of his life stacking soda on to a truck 8 hours a day... I know this post is a bit of an appeal to emotion, but America isn't kind to everyone...
My dad has been passing parts down the line and lifting heavy machinery for 33 years now. they annouced they were closing his plant when GM filed for bankruptcy. luckily he has enough seniority to take the move to Toledo.
SocialPhilosophy
1st July 2009, 14:37
Its a big issue to the person that got raped.
That being said, 1 crime doesn't justify the second.
that kid could grow up in a stable, nice household. there is no reason that isn't selfish, to not let that happen.
#FF0000
1st July 2009, 15:42
that kid could grow up in a stable, nice household. there is no reason that isn't selfish, to not let that happen.
Bodily autonomy is selfish, guys.
danyboy27
1st July 2009, 16:09
My dad was one of seven children to Irish/Polish parents who came to America. He was a real flag waving patriot. He bought in to everything America has ever told him.
My dad was in the USAF, team sergeant. When he reachedretirement age my dad asked for a six month extention just to pay off his mortgage, he was declined and subsequently lost his house. Because of this, he lost all contact with his son and moved back in with my step mother (they'd previously split up), their phone line was switched off most of the time since they couldn't pay the bill...
He was promised new career working with Badbington technologies, travelling over the world teaching US troops how to operate some super cooker or something, that fell through.
My USAF patriot father spent the last few years of his life stacking soda on to a truck 8 hours a day... I know this post is a bit of an appeal to emotion, but America isn't kind to everyone...
i am not defending capitalism, but seriously, you cant just live and say: hooo well, some dude promised me some goodies! the governement will take care of me, i have served him well!
in a world where we would work together, it would be excellent, but in that world of today, you just cant trust someone or put your entire confidence for some people or some groups of people.
the sooner you realize that, the easier life is in that system.
Richard Nixon
1st July 2009, 18:05
Bodily autonomy is selfish, guys.
It is if there is a future human being in your uterus.
The Red
1st July 2009, 18:12
It is if there is a future human being in your uterus.
A possible Human being.
You may as well be against condoms.
And hey General :)
Richard Nixon
1st July 2009, 18:22
A possible Human being.
You may as well be against condoms.
And hey General :)
Well semen are different from fetuses though.
Also, hey :)
SocialPhilosophy
1st July 2009, 18:25
A possible Human being.
okay here is my question. how many non humans are ejected from woman's vagina's after nine months gestation? I'm sorry i had to word it like i did. :lol:
The Red
1st July 2009, 18:29
okay here is my question. how many non humans are ejected from woman's vagina's after nine months gestation? I'm sorry i had to word it like i did. :lol:
Well theres a line when a baby becomes a Human.
Im for all abortion up till its heart starts beating.
SocialPhilosophy
1st July 2009, 18:30
Well theres a line when a baby becomes a Human.
Im for all abortion up till its heart starts beating.
its funny you called it a baby prior to its heart starting to beat.
The Red
1st July 2009, 18:35
its funny you called it a baby prior to its heart starting to beat.
Theres a line when a Fetus becomes a Human
Sorry.
Bud Struggle
1st July 2009, 19:40
Theres a line when a Fetus becomes a Human
Sorry.
Exactly.
Theory on one side--theory on the other--but that's a good starting point.
Perhaps RevLeft needs to change it polocy.
SocialPhilosophy
1st July 2009, 19:57
Exactly.
Perhaps RevLeft needs to change it polocy.
Prehaps the US congress will suddenly keel over and die. one can only hope.
Bud Struggle
1st July 2009, 20:04
Prehaps the US congress will suddenly keel over and die. one can only hope.
Unlike the US Congress--the CC is made of of relatively honest people. Buy why good well known and thoughtful Communists with honest disagreements like RGacky aren't let in to RevLeft is a disgrace.
He could do nothing but add considerable to the discussion and knowledge of the overall forum.
Ele'ill
1st July 2009, 23:17
Unlike the US Congress--the CC is made of of relatively honest people. Buy why good well known and thoughtful Communists with honest disagreements like RGacky aren't let in to RevLeft is a disgrace.
He could do nothing but add considerable to the discussion and knowledge of the overall forum.
For the same reason that philosophical geniuses like myself are not made administrators of the server.
#FF0000
1st July 2009, 23:28
Unlike the US Congress--the CC is made of of relatively honest people. Buy why good well known and thoughtful Communists with honest disagreements like RGacky aren't let in to RevLeft is a disgrace.
He could do nothing but add considerable to the discussion and knowledge of the overall forum.
I thought that until he turned out to be a full-on, unapologetic sexist.
Bud Struggle
1st July 2009, 23:50
I thought that until he turned out to be a full-on, unapologetic sexist.
I don't quite know about that. I think Gack might not be the smoothest talker and might not lather up his sentences to produce the most pleasing results to the PC among us. But I know he's a pretty on spot Commie when it comes to Anarchy and those that love it.
Yea, I know the poster always is guilty until proven innocent around here. But I think a fair disscussion of his thoughts might prove him one of the better Commies RevLeft has to offer.
ʇsıɥɔɹɐuɐ ıɯɐbıɹo
1st July 2009, 23:57
I was kicked from chat for saying 'whores' right before the topic of the chatroom became bestiality.:thumbup1::laugh:
Ele'ill
2nd July 2009, 00:04
revleft chat room :laugh:
ʇsıɥɔɹɐuɐ ıɯɐbıɹo
2nd July 2009, 00:07
revleft chat room :laugh:
Yeah, well that's what I get for being 'sexist'.
Bud Struggle
2nd July 2009, 00:07
revleft chat room :laugh:
You are one of us.
FOREVER. :cool:
Ele'ill
2nd July 2009, 00:36
You are one of us.
FOREVER. :cool:
The kommiE kLub tried to vote for me to be unrestricted once or twice. If that means anything. :rolleyes:
Bud Struggle
2nd July 2009, 00:45
Forever.
Ele'ill
2nd July 2009, 00:52
I have a feeling that 'one of us' puts me in a fairly eclectic mix of people and 'forever' implies a normal state of being which I am very comfortable with.
Bud Struggle
2nd July 2009, 00:59
I have a feeling that 'one of us' puts me in a fairly eclectic mix of people and 'forever' implies a normal state of being which I am very comfortable with.
Better yet
http://www.games.lt/w/gbox/1583.jpg
Ele'ill
2nd July 2009, 01:05
Revleft's Restricted "Primmies"
http://www.filmsfound.com/images/waterworld21.jpg
ʇsıɥɔɹɐuɐ ıɯɐbıɹo
2nd July 2009, 01:38
You know what else sucks? Not being allowed pictures or links...:thumbup1:
Black Dagger
2nd July 2009, 02:59
Spam thread = closed.
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