World Federation of Democratic Youth Statement on Iran

[Charles Xavier]

The World Federation of Democratic Youth (WFDY) is following with concern the current developments in Iran following the 12th June Presidential election.

The World Federation of Democratic Youth is seriously alarmed to receive reports about attacks, arrests and murders in student dormitories in a number of universities inside Iran.

At the same time, USA and imperialist media is trying to create that by changing leader Iran would completely change, promoting the atmosphere of external intervention in Iran or for a coup d’état that would bring the imperialist promoted forces to power.

WFDY believes that the way out of this situation must be political, peaceful and sovereign, therefore we support the struggle of all the people who claim political and social rights and we reject any solution that leads to an administrative, violent or external overthrow of the power to handle it to the any imperialist supported person or force.

Furthermore, WFDY extends its solidarity with Tudeh Party and its Youth, member of WFDY, who are in exile fighting for their political rights within Iran.

[Yehuda Stern]

This is such a terrible and confused statement, with almost zero content, other than the very clearly put opposition to revolution:


we reject any solution that leads to an administrative, violent or external overthrow of the power to handle it to the any imperialist supported person or force.

What a miserable counterrevoutionary organization.

[Charles Xavier]

This is such a terrible and confused statement, with almost zero content, other than the very clearly put opposition to revolution:



What a miserable counterrevoutionary organization.

How is it that they reject the overthrow by Imperialist powers counter-revolutionary? Its a very simple statement but it is the largest international of Socialist Youth Organizations in existance.

[Revy]

Is the WFDY not a Stalinist remnant, containing within its cobwebs the youth groups of some seriously bureaucratic-capitalist/authoritarian parties (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Federation_of_Democratic_Youth#Member_organi zations_of_WFDY_.28Incomplete_list.29)?

This is the international that once welcomed the youth league of Pol Pot's regime as a member.....yeah, "political rights" is something they care about. :rolleyes:

How cowardly that they even frame it that way? "Political rights"? Sounds like they don't want Tudeh to even challenge the system, just to be able to exercise their freedom of association.

[Honggweilo]

How cowardly that they even frame it that way? "Political rights"? Sounds like they don't want Tudeh to even challenge the system, just to be able to exercise their freedom of association.


therefore we support the struggle of all the people who claim political and social rights and we reject any solution that leads to an administrative, violent or external overthrow of the power to handle it to the any imperialist supported person or force.

lern2read

Anyway instead of most of the organisation here that jump on the Mousavi bandwagon way too much without a serious critical note, the WFDY actually has an active section within Iran, and their statement is not at all in contrast with that of the Tudeh (or Tudeh Youth for that matter) that has never supported or hoped for any significant change under Mousavi (http://www.tudehpartyiran.org/TN%20257%20-%20June%202009.pdf) but was interested in turning the elections into a popular referendum.


This is the international that once welcomed the youth league of Pol Pot's regime as a member.....yeah, "political rights" is something they care about.
WTF? Do you have any historical knowledge? Pol pot's Cambodia was allied to the PRC in the sino-soviet split (thats when the CYLC left the WFDY too)... The WFDY was allied to the USSR and Vietnam. The only time the youth of the Communist Party of Cambodia (Still a section CP of Indochina back then) was allied to the WFDY was the short period after WWII until the late 60', then they got kicked out. After that the Vietnamese got rid of Pol Pot with the help of dissident Kmher Rouge and installed communist goverment had its own youth movement called the Democratic Youth League of Cambodia.


Is the WFDY not a Stalinist remnant, containing within its cobwebs the youth groups of some seriously bureaucratic-capitalist/authoritarian parties (http://www.anonym.to/?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Federation_of_Democratic_Youth#Member_organi zations_of_WFDY_.28Incomplete_list.29)?
I'm not even going to feed the trolls with the "ZOMG WFDY TEH STALINIST REMNANT OF THE 3RD INTERNATIONAL LUUULLLZ" bullshit


On second thought, i am; Our youth movements are still better then your reformist democrat snugling petit-bourgeois liberal hippy youth movement called the "Young People's Socialist League", and uses the flattering reactionary logo of the "ironfront"

[Revy]

Yawn!:rolleyes: A reactionary logo? that's silly.

Unfortunately the spot for the US in that lineup is already taken by the Young Communist League, of the "better" Communist Party USA.

But I'm sure you appreciate the YCL - I mean YPSL are hippies for having some socialist principles, right? Wouldn't it be better if we used some ridiculous logic to support a capitalist party (the Democrats) all in the name of Lenin? Like I said, many bureaucratic-capitalist parties on your roster, and I'm not afraid to say it.

feel free to trash this discussion, mods, if you like. I'm fine with it (possibly) being over.

[Honggweilo]

Yawn!:rolleyes: A reactionary logo? that's silly.

Unfortunately the spot for the US in that lineup is already taken by the Young Communist League, of the "better" Communist Party USA.

But I'm sure you appreciate the YCL - I mean YPSL are hippies for having some socialist principles, right? Wouldn't it be better if we used some ridiculous logic to support a capitalist party (the Democrats) all in the name of Lenin? Like I said, many bureaucratic-capitalist parties on your roster, and I'm not afraid to say it.

feel free to trash this discussion, mods, if you like. I'm fine with it (possibly) being over.

lol, were not going to trash a informative thread because you turned it into an unsourced shitfest.

Its hilarious the YPSL dares take a shot on the reformist policies of the YCL since you guys are far worse, being so since 1921. Besides, the organisations in the WFDY arent all "stalinist" and not at al homogenic since thats not the point of the WFDY, its a Anti-Imperialist, Anti-Fascist alliance of progressive youth organisations, including non communist youth orgs like the ANC Youth, MLPA Youth, Sandinista Youth, ect. the youth of the trotskist SWPUSA is also a member for your information.

And it is a reactionary reformist logo , totally in line with the SPUSA's policies for that matter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_front)

[Yehuda Stern]

How is it that they reject the overthrow by Imperialist powers counter-revolutionary?

They explicitly reject any forceful overthrow of the regime. Do you actually read the things you post? I would not be surprised if you said no.

[Revy]

lol, were not going to trash a informative thread because you turned it into an unsourced shitfest.

Its hilarious the YPSL dares take a shot on the reformist policies of the YCL since you guys are far worse, being so since 1921. Besides, the organisations in the WFDY arent all "stalinist" and not at al homogenic since thats not the point of the WFDY, its a Anti-Imperialist, Anti-Fascist alliance of progressive youth organisations, including non communist youth orgs like the ANC Youth, MLPA Youth, Sandinista Youth, ect. the youth of the trotskist SWPUSA is also a member for your information.

And it is a reactionary reformist logo , totally in line with the SPUSA's policies for that matter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_front)

We're not supporting Democrats like the YCL. It's funny how a so-called "anti-imperialist" international has in its members, in the US, one of the biggest imperialist nations, a member group which endorses the current dominant imperialist party.

YPSL was never part of the Iron Front, America is a long ways from Germany. :thumbup1: However, as the article states it is an anti-fascist symbol, and while SPD used the arrows against the three ideologies of "communism, monarchism and fascism", other parties used it against "fascism, capitalism and reaction". The YPSL has its own meanings for the three arrows, anyway, and we're not reformist, so....stfu.

YCL on the other hand, might as well have the Obama logo or the Democrat donkey as its logo. ha ha!

[RHIZOMES]

Is the WFDY not a Stalinist remnant, containing within its cobwebs the youth groups of some seriously bureaucratic-capitalist/authoritarian parties (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Federation_of_Democratic_Youth#Member_organi zations_of_WFDY_.28Incomplete_list.29)?

This is the international that once welcomed the youth league of Pol Pot's regime as a member.....yeah, "political rights" is something they care about. :rolleyes:

The NZ Communist League (sister party of SWPUSA) are members.

Then again the NZ Communist League are fucking crazies. Although very nice people and I do buy the odd Pathfinder Press book off them on occasion.


How is it that they reject the overthrow by Imperialist powers counter-revolutionary?

Because that's not how revolution works. If you may remember the 1917 Russian revolution could well have worked in the favour of bourgeois democrats. Marxist revolution isn't like some sort of precise mathematical equation or recipe, like if you add x amount of leftists and y amount of discontent then you'll get a perfect communist paradise. :rolleyes:

[Charles Xavier]

The NZ Communist League (sister party of SWPUSA) are members.

Then again the NZ Communist League are fucking crazies. Although very nice people and I do buy the odd Pathfinder Press book off them on occasion.



Because that's not how revolution works. If you may remember the 1917 Russian revolution could well have worked in the favour of bourgeois democrats. Marxist revolution isn't like some sort of precise mathematical equation or recipe, like if you add x amount of leftists and y amount of discontent then you'll get a perfect communist paradise. :rolleyes:

WFDY did not say they are against revolution, they said they are against imperialist intervention.

[Yehuda Stern]

They said that they are against overthrow by force of state power.

[Charles Xavier]

They said that they are against overthrow by force of state power.

Reread
".... [we] reject any solution that leads to an administrative, violent or external overthrow of the power to handle it to the any imperialist supported person or force."

[Josef Balin]

The USA is opposed to Ahmadinejad the same way Britain was opposed to Imperial Germany. I haven't been studying for several years and politics aren't my biggest hobby but it seems to me a good parallel is Lenin's condemnation of all the governing bourgeois classes in the imperialist conflict while calling for a worker's revolution in all pre-revolutionary countries, thus lending critical support to any attempt to further radicalize workers.

[Josef Balin]

Reread
".... [we] reject any solution that leads to an administrative, violent or external overthrow of the power to handle it to the any imperialist supported person or force."
But the imperialists support the entire revolution at this stage, just like they did in Russia, China, etc. so it amounts to a condemnation of the struggle, plus they reject any violent measures whatsoever to solve it.
"WFDY believes that the way out of this situation must be political, peaceful and sovereign"

[Yehuda Stern]

Josef Balin is correct, and also highlighted another paragraph which more clearly shows WFDY's counterrevolutionary attitude.

As an aside, no offense to anyone, but if I misunderstood a certain sentence, it is only because the English is horrendous.