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Misanthrope
30th June 2009, 02:18
Have you guys ever encountered these people? I swear they would go through hell just to save a business owner.. I've gotten into a debate with this one guy who keeps asking "What's wrong with "exploitation"?" "What's wrong with "renting" yourself?" "Please show me a definition of "undesirable working hours"

http://mises.org/Community/forums/t/8834.aspx

Il Medico
30th June 2009, 02:20
Yep, they invaded this forum a while ago. I thought you were one at first. :blushing:

Jack
30th June 2009, 02:44
I thought you were one at first. :blushing:

This, which explains my initial hostility towards you, my B bro.

Misanthrope
30th June 2009, 02:49
This, which explains my initial hostility towards you, my B bro.

All good:wub: I would have done the same. They ban me for being immature when their mod says this..

"Yes, it is. Now either show that profit is exploitation or leave. And remember, little Marxist drone: repeating your slogans won't make it true. Further, you have no ability to actually argue a point. Do you think this is like revleft where it's one big self-contratulatory circle-jerk on feeling bad for those who live in poverty and hating those who have a penny more than you do? Well it's not. We demand evidence for claims, not sob stories. You claim that profit is exploitation. Well show it. Don't just parrot the slogans, kid. If we wanted that, we'd all go watch Mr1001Marxists' channel on YouTube and give ourselves a lobotomy (which is pretty much the same thing). "

GracchusBabeuf
30th June 2009, 06:09
Misesians=Proto-fascists. No use arguing with them.

Mindtoaster
30th June 2009, 06:18
. Do you think this is like revleft where it's one big self-contratulatory circle-jerk

*edit*

You know what, just fuck it.

All but a few of those rich scumbags are getting put against the wall if we get our way

Sean
30th June 2009, 07:58
Do not feed the troll.

Conza88
30th June 2009, 08:57
"Yes, it is. Now either show that profit is exploitation or leave. And remember, little Marxist drone: repeating your slogans won't make it true. Further, you have no ability to actually argue a point. Do you think this is like revleft where it's one big self-contratulatory circle-jerk on feeling bad for those who live in poverty and hating those who have a penny more than you do? Well it's not. We demand evidence for claims, not sob stories. You claim that profit is exploitation. Well show it. Don't just parrot the slogans, kid. If we wanted that, we'd all go watch Mr1001Marxists' channel on YouTube and give ourselves a lobotomy (which is pretty much the same thing). "

And... you couldn't do it. Could you? :D



You know what, just fuck it.

All but a few of those rich scumbags are getting put against the wall if we get our way

Does that include me? Are you going to put me up against a wall and blow my brains out? Or is there some kind of criteria I have to pass before you allow me to stay alive? Even though I'd never use force / aggression or coercion against you.

Sean
30th June 2009, 09:13
Seriously, how bored are you mises forum people? If you actually want to debate stuff go to the Opposing Ideologies forum instead of acting like channers and "raiding" the main boards.
And to the idiots that keep getting baited by this over and over or are too soft in the head to spot a troll, I'm revoking your internet licenses.

Module
30th June 2009, 09:58
In all fairness, mr1001nights' videos are seriously boring to watch.

Module
30th June 2009, 10:01
And... you couldn't do it. Could you? :D



Does that include me? Are you going to put me up against a wall and blow my brains out? Or is there some kind of criteria I have to pass before you allow me to stay alive? Even though I'd never use force / aggression or coercion against you.
No offense, but if you have something intelligent to say then say it. Don't pollute Chit Chat with boring cliches. You know you're full of shit.

Conza88
30th June 2009, 10:15
Seriously, how bored are you mises forum people? If you actually want to debate stuff go to the Opposing Ideologies forum instead of acting like channers and "raiding" the main boards

Strawman. Link to the 'offenders' thanks. Does responding, to a thread entitled - "Mises Fucks!" - constitute "raiding"?

I don't want to debate in this thread... I'm just wondering if I am going to put up against a wall and shot in the face, should you guys get your way?


No offense, but if you have something intelligent to say then say it. Don't pollute Chit Chat with boring cliches. You know you're full of shit.

None taken. I'll leave the intelligent comments for those that would actually understand them. Thanks for the offer though.

Oh, cliches?


"Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll eat forever. Protect his private property rights to fish and he'll feed the world."

Module
30th June 2009, 10:32
None taken. I'll leave the intelligent comments for those that would actually understand them. Thanks for the offer though.

Oh, cliches?


"Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll eat forever. Protect his private property rights to fish and he'll feed the world."

What reason do you have for suggesting that I wouldn't understand intelligent comments?

Protect a man's private property 'rights' over a fishing pond and ensure that the world is fed on his terms, and only when it's profitable. :blink:

Jazzratt
30th June 2009, 10:40
I don't want to debate in this thread... I'm just wondering if I am going to put up against a wall and shot in the face, should you guys get your way?

I don't know about the others but I'd happily shoot you in the face. Not because of your politics or anything, just because I find you immensly irritating :)


"Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll eat forever. Protect his private property rights to fish and he'll feed the world."

Why? From what I've seen of most people with private ownership over the means of production the opposite would happen. The man with "private fish property" would probably start charging everyone else through the fucking nose for a slice of fish.

Liberal
30th June 2009, 10:45
Misesians=Proto-fascists. No use arguing with them.

Just because you don't agree with someone does not make them a fascist. :laugh:


*edit*

You know what, just fuck it.

All but a few of those rich scumbags are getting put against the wall if we get our way

I wonder how long it takes before communists murder each other for power for not being the most communist. :D

Bilan
30th June 2009, 11:38
Just because you don't agree with someone does not make them a fascist. :laugh:



I wonder how long it takes before communists murder each other for power for not being the most communist. :D

Don't work up a sweat. Your trolling is tedious, but more than anything, boring.

Conza88
30th June 2009, 11:50
What reason do you have for suggesting that I wouldn't understand intelligent comments
What reason do you have for suggesting I'm full of shit?


I don't know about the others but I'd happily shoot you in the face. Not because of your politics or anything, just because I find you immensly irritating :)

Have you ever found your mum or dad, sister of brother etc. immensely irritating? Back when you were a kid, or even now?

Would you happily shoot them in the face?

Honggweilo
30th June 2009, 12:04
misesians = fair game :lol:


Just because you don't agree with someone does not make them a fascist
Praising "national-conservative" corporatist free market stooges like Pinochet's Chili, Apartheit South Africa and Catholic Corporatist Portugal does


I wonder how long it takes before communists murder each other for power for not being the most communist.
Ok so you fail at general knowledge aswell as witty humor? Go circlejerk over Ayn Rand's portrait or hire an expensive escort to relieve your fustration instead of mediocre trolling you socially-akward twat

Liberal
30th June 2009, 12:16
misesians = fair game :lol:

What are "misesians"?


Praising "national-conservative" corporatist free market stooges like Pinochet's Chili, Apartheit South Africa and Catholic Corporatist Portugal does

Strawman.


Ok so you fail at general knowledge aswell as witty humor? Go circlejerk over Ayn Rand's portrait or hire an expensive escort to relieve your fustration instead of mediocre trolling you socially-akward twat

Lining people up and shooting them is a joke to you people? Communists have never betrayed each other for power? Yes, obviously I am the fool that lacks knowledge. :rolleyes:

Jazzratt
30th June 2009, 12:19
Have you ever found your mum or dad, sister of brother etc. immensely irritating? Back when you were a kid, or even now?

Would you happily shoot them in the face?

Did you get your sense of humour removed when you joined your cute little "fuck the poor" movement?

Dimentio
30th June 2009, 12:28
What are "misesians"?



Strawman.



Lining people up and shooting them is a joke to you people? Communists have never betrayed each other for power? Yes, obviously I am the fool that lacks knowledge. :rolleyes:

You are cute.

I want to cuddle with you.

Bilan
30th June 2009, 12:52
Does that include me? Are you going to put me up against a wall and blow my brains out? Or is there some kind of criteria I have to pass before you allow me to stay alive? Even though I'd never use force / aggression or coercion against you.

Generalised commodity production necessitates a form of coercion, as it is necessary to "own" or "earn" capital in order to buy the necessities for existence (e.g. food, clothes, shelter) - thus, people must (if they do not own the means of production - i.e. factories, farms, etc) sell their labour in order to buy commodities. It is not a choice, it is something imposed on society, and therefore on individuals, because of the organisation of production.

Your individual desire to coerce people, or not too, is irrelevant. What is-is, irrespective of desires.

Misanthrope
30th June 2009, 14:40
And... you couldn't do it. Could you? :D



Does that include me? Are you going to put me up against a wall and blow my brains out? Or is there some kind of criteria I have to pass before you allow me to stay alive? Even though I'd never use force / aggression or coercion against you.

Dude, the guy was denying the dictionary definitions and then he banned me for immaturity and in the same post insisted I masturbate to impoverished African children. You guys are ridiculous, you worship the market. You are Markethiests.

Raúl Duke
30th June 2009, 15:39
You are cute.

I want to cuddle with you.


This is chit chat...annoy/irritate/debate them the chit chat way!! :D

Like, I guess, in the above example...

Now I wish I could find that comic graph that was posted somewhere here on revleft that is relevant to this.

GracchusBabeuf
30th June 2009, 15:50
Just because you don't agree with someone does not make them a fascist. Class collaborationist politics does however.:laugh:

Jack
30th June 2009, 15:58
This is chit chat...annoy/irritate/debate them the chit chat way!! :D

Like, I guess, in the above example...

Now I wish I could find that comic graph that was posted somewhere here on revleft that is relevant to this.

http://doubledsvc.com/newstuff/cuddle-alone-cuddle-hitler.jpg

Liberal
30th June 2009, 16:13
Class collaborationist politics does however.:laugh:

ooh a believer in the bushism that if you're not with us, you're against us. bravo!

#FF0000
30th June 2009, 16:15
step 1: Be a Misean, post outside of the OI section of the board.
step 2: get banned for trolling or restricted to OI
step 3: whine on mises.org about oppressive communists

Liberal
30th June 2009, 16:18
Nah, I'd just point out the hypocryisy of you exercising your property rights on a communist board.

#FF0000
30th June 2009, 16:19
Nah, I'd just point out the hypocryisy of you exercising your property rights on a communist board.

There's sort of a big difference between a factory and a website.

Bilan
30th June 2009, 16:19
ooh a believer in the bushism that if you're not with us, you're against us. bravo!

Bushism?
Darling, I hate to spoil your tirade, but the "Us vs Them" mentality predates Bush by quite sometime.

Liberal
30th June 2009, 16:22
There's sort of a big difference between a factory and a website.

Thank you Captain Obvious.

Tjis
30th June 2009, 16:22
step 1: Be a Misean, post outside of the OI section of the board.
step 2: get banned for trolling or restricted to OI
step 3: whine on mises.org about oppressive communists
step 4: get shot in the face in the glorious revolution.

Naw just kidding, I love you guys! Lets be friends ok? If you want we could give you guys a hug, because you obviously had too few in your childhood, thus turning to those elitarian misanthropic ideas.

Love!

#FF0000
30th June 2009, 16:30
Thank you Captain Obvious.

Well, let me expand on that since you're dumb.

A factory is private property. It's one of those "means of production" things.

A website is more a possession. It isn't one of those "means of production" things.

Individuals will still be able to run their own website and administrate them in a socialist or communist society, just like they'd be able to own a toothbrush.

The More You Know!
~~~~~~~~~~~*

Bilan
30th June 2009, 16:33
Toothbrushes will be collectivized. It'll just be a huge one which comes at 7:05 sharp. Everyone sticks their face out of their window and the big brush will scrub it for them.

Tjis
30th June 2009, 16:35
Toothbrushes will be collectivized. It'll just be a huge one which comes at 7:05 sharp. Everyone sticks their face out of their window and the big brush will scrub it for them.
It'd be more efficient if we did this while everyone is waiting in the bread line. Otherwise we're really just wasting time.

Misanthrope
30th June 2009, 16:47
It'd be more efficient if we did this while everyone is waiting in the bread line. Otherwise we're really just wasting time.

We just need to make sure it doesn't cut into our Stalin worship time.

Honggweilo
30th June 2009, 17:03
Lining people up and shooting them is a joke to you people? Communists have never betrayed each other for power? Yes, obviously I am the fool that lacks knowledge. :rolleyes: Yes we shoot each other, eat ur babies, smoke heavy tabacco and drink our coffee black. Should i name a list of all the coup d'etats under capitalist regimes or competitive liquidations by corporate gangs/deathsquads/bribed goverments? oh wait... what you say? thats not TRUEE CAPITALIZMZZ ITS TEH STATE!!!! Ahh i see... libertarians never had any power, so you're arguement is pure speculation and historically unfalsifiable... or do those miniscule inrelevant pirate states of the colonial age count as pure capitalizm? YARRR YE BE BETTAR NOT BE TOUCHING ME BOOTY YE EVIL GOVERNMENT!

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/e/e1/Lib-ana.gif

Bilan
30th June 2009, 17:10
It'd be more efficient if we did this while everyone is waiting in the bread line. Otherwise we're really just wasting time.

I like the way you think.

ZeroNowhere
30th June 2009, 17:28
Chit Chat + OI?
Oh fuck no.

GracchusBabeuf
30th June 2009, 18:27
ooh a believer in the bushism that if you're not with us, you're against us. bravo!Bush is much less a fascist than you Mises cultists

GracchusBabeuf
30th June 2009, 18:37
Misesians on homosexuality (http://www.google.com/custom?sa=Search&cof=LW%3A500%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.lewrockwell.co m%2Flewroc1a.gif%3BLH%3A93%3BAH%3Acenter%3BAWFID%3 A65dad07a461e3427%3B&domains=lewrockwell.com&q=homosexuality&sitesearch=lewrockwell.com):thumbdown:

Nwoye
30th June 2009, 19:20
All but a few of those rich scumbags are getting put against the wall if we get our way
this is one of the dumbest posts i've ever seen on this forum.

as for the mises.org people, we get it, you don't like socialism and you don't like government. but just quoting assanine rothbard passages and making smarmy references to the "evils of socialism" is not going to convert anyone to your school of thought. all it does is make you look like pricks.

RHIZOMES
30th June 2009, 19:51
And... you couldn't do it. Could you? :D.

this coming from the forum where every thread I see about revleft has been

Misean #1: LOL REVLEFT WHAT A BUNCH OF IDIOTS
Misean #2: YEAH LOL THEY CAN'T WITHSTAND THE AWESOMENESS THAT IS VON MISES
Misean #3: FREEDOM! LIBERTY!!


Strawman. :rolleyes:

Calling it a strawman, does not make it a strawman.

mel
30th June 2009, 20:27
It'd be more efficient if we did this while everyone is waiting in the bread line. Otherwise we're really just wasting time.

Couldn't we save more time by forgoing the teeth-brushing, letting them fall out, and then feeding everyone a vitamin supplement in oatmeal?

We save on bread, we save on the toothbrush/toothpaste cost, and we even cut down the lines. Society would be far more efficient without teeth.

Hell, we'd even be able to enforce a vegetarian diet because nobody would have the means with which to eat meat. End all exploitation! Teeth are murder!

GracchusBabeuf
30th June 2009, 20:42
It'd be more efficient if we did this while everyone is waiting in the bread line. Otherwise we're really just wasting time. We could have the mass toothbrushing before or after the mass sex, mass bath and the mass shitting, what say? EVERY ONE of our possessions is going to be in common anyway, so. After that we could all wear our gray overalls, drive Ladas and go to work in the Ministry of Truth. That seems a very good socialist central plan COMRADES!!http://judey.dasmirnov.net/lada.jpg

Tjis
30th June 2009, 21:08
We could have the mass toothbrushing before or after the mass sex
What?! Sex?! Sex is the opiate of the people and any enlightened worker society shall do away with it. Instead there will be artificial insemination programs lead by the party to make sure that only those genes that express the true wishes of the working class will be carried on into the next generation.

mass bath
can be combined with

mass shitting
easily.

EVERY ONE of our possessions is going to be in common anyway, so. After that we could all wear our gray overalls
Except the glorious members of the central commitee, who'll wear red overalls.


drive Ladas
What?! driving? Cars are a bourgeois decadence! The working class body (which incidentally is the most beautiful of all classes) has great legs and feet, something we'll demonstrate regularily in military parades and pixel parades by the way.

and go to work in the Ministry of Truth.
Or whatever else you might be assigned to at birth.

That seems a very good socialist central plan COMRADES!!
All glory to the defenders of the working class! All hail the central commitee of the great and powerful party of the people!

Rusty Shackleford
30th June 2009, 21:10
Actually, you could make meat paste so those who want meat can eat it. or is that too diverse for people?

and who needs personal automobiles! thats private property!!!! what we can do is make a huge network or crappy buses and trains, with tracks built by slave labor of course.

Raúl Duke
30th June 2009, 21:14
http://doubledsvc.com/newstuff/cuddle-alone-cuddle-hitler.jpg

Well...

This wasn't exactly what I had in mind but ok.

I remember this made up joke graph that was posted on revleft that shows that with increase liberalization of the market and privatization it shows a drop of standard of living yet there's these childish comments like "moar privitization and we'll get there" "moar" and at the end of the graph it shows an unexplainable and ridiculous increase in standard of living with a comment like "yay libertarian utopia" all in lolspeak

RedAnarchist
30th June 2009, 22:43
Closed.

Also, to the Misers posting in this thread, you'll be either banned or restricted according to the policies of the forum.