Far Right would be bomber caught

[Pogue]

Man 'on cusp' of bombing campaign


http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45986000/jpg/_45986110_007572595-1.jpg Neil Lewington denies a total of eight charges

A racist arrested by chance at a railway station was "on the cusp" of waging a terror campaign using tennis balls and weedkiller, a court heard. Neil Lewington, 43, had developed a bomb factory at his parents' home in Reading, Berkshire, targeting those he thought "non-British", jurors heard.
The Old Bailey heard he was carrying bomb parts when arrested at Lowestoft, Suffolk, after abusing a conductor.
He denies eight charges related to terrorism or explosives.
Brian Altman QC, prosecuting, said Mr Lewington was found to be carrying the component parts of two "viable improvised incendiary devices".
His hold-all had been searched after his arrest for drinking and smoking on the train and urinating in public.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gifhttp://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/start_quote_rb.gif This man who had strong if not fanatical right-wing leanings and opinions was on the cusp of embarking on a campaign of terrorism http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/end_quote_rb.gif


Brian Altman QC

Later searches of Mr Lewington's home revealed a notebook entitled "Waffen SS UK members' handbook" which contained drawings of electronics and chemical mixtures, jurors were told.
He also had an "unhealthy interest" in the London nail bomber David Copeland, America's Unabomber and Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, said Mr Altman.
Mr Altman said: "The effect of these finds is to prove that this man who had strong if not fanatical right-wing leanings and opinions was on the cusp of embarking on a campaign of terrorism against those he considered non-British."
He said Mr Lewington had two video compilations of news and documentary footage about bombers and bombings both in Britain and the US.
This "unhealthy interest" had gone "far beyond the mere intellectual or academic levels", Mr Altman said.
"In the privacy of his own bedroom and far from the gaze of his parents with whom he lived, this defendant had amassed the component parts of and had begun the manufacture of improvised explosive or incendiary devices," he said.
'No qualifications'
Mr Altman said Mr Lewington left school at 16 without qualifications but had worked in a number of electronics jobs.
He had been unemployed for 10 years after being sacked from his last job for being drunk and, though he lived with his parents, had not spoken to his father for 10 years.
His mother said he had placed Plasticine in the keyhole of his bedroom door so no-one could see inside, the court heard.
Mr Lewington is accused of preparing for terrorism by having the bomb parts in a public place.
He also faces two charges of having articles for terrorism - including the weedkiller, firelighters and three tennis balls - two of having documents for terrorism and another of collecting information for terrorism.
Two further counts allege he possessed an explosive device "with intent to endanger life" and that he had explosives, namely weedkiller.
The trial continues.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/8124449.stm

[Pogue]

10 years unemployed, 43, still lives with his parents, ugly as fuck and a total geek, and a Nazi? Wow, thats completely challenged all my stereotypes of the far-right :lol:

[The Ungovernable Farce]

So can we now expect a government scare campaign telling us all to be on the alert for fugly middle-aged white men, since they could all be potential bombers?

[Omi]

Though I think it is indeed funny this jackass got busted, the charges he faces are very extreme and potentially dangerous to our movement aswell. I don't think anyone should cheer about this fucker going to jail, when at the same time it could have been a fellow leftist intending to bomb a building of parliament. A law that states it is illegal to:

"having articles for terrorism - including the weedkiller, firelighters and three tennis balls - two of having documents for terrorism and another of collecting information for terrorism. "

Is actually not so funny at all. Some of us could get arrested with the same charges.

[Bilan]

10 years unemployed, 43, still lives with his parents, ugly as fuck and a total geek, and a Nazi? Wow, thats completely challenged all my stereotypes of the far-right :lol:

Please, Haywood. Don't post this sort of crap.

[Pogue]

Please, Haywood. Don't post this sort of crap.

Why not?

[Chapter 24]

Why not?

Because his unemployment, living with his parents, his attractiveness, and his nerdiness all don't matter, while his racism certainly does.

[Pogue]

Because his unemployment, living with his parents, his attractiveness, and his nerdiness all don't matter, while his racism certainly does.

Oh, fuck off with your holier than thou shit. I was taking the piss out of nazi for clearly being a social reject and failure at life like the rest of the far-right and you give me this puritan shite as if I am a 4 year old. Fuck off. I'm not going to apologise for taking the piss out of fucking nazi terrorists who fail at even that.

[Chapter 24]

Oh, fuck off with your holier than thou shit. I was taking the piss out of nazi for clearly being a social reject and failure at life like the rest of the far-right and you give me this puritan shite as if I am a 4 year old. Fuck off. I'm not going to apologise for taking the piss out of fucking nazi terrorists who fail at even that.

:rolleyes:

Look we all know you're the shit and everything, but how about giving the nerdy ugly guys who live with their mothers a break? Those are the guys you should be apologizing to. It's not even me being holier-than-thou, it's just fucking stupid to attack someone for their lifestyle and not the horrendous decisions they've made or their being a racist.
If anything I'm glad you posted this article we can see what kind of degenerate losers are trying to pull off terrorist attacks on minorities. But obviously your social analysis is much too advanced for me to grasp, and thus I'm afraid there's not much I can do except fuck off. So peace.

[Pogue]

:rolleyes:

Look we all know you're the shit and everything, but how about giving the nerdy ugly guys who live with their mothers a break? Those are the guys you should be apologizing to. It's not even me being holier-than-thou, it's just fucking stupid to attack someone for their lifestyle and not the horrendous decisions they've made or their being a racist.
If anything I'm glad you posted this article we can see what kind of degenerate losers are trying to pull off terrorist attacks on minorities. But obviously your social analysis is much too advanced for me to grasp, and thus I'm afraid there's not much I can do except fuck off. So peace.

I think the fact I oppose him for being a fascist is pretty fucking obvious to everyone but a couple of preachers who want to assert their own moral supremacy in situations when qutie frankly, its not neccesary.

I don't think there are many people who have been unemployed for 10 years, don't talk to the very parents who they still live with and look like that who I really need to apologise too. I said that he is a typical fascist, a social reject, a failure, a complete and utter waste of space with poor social skills and clearly alot of anger he wants to take out on other people. I don't see why I can't criticise fascists for having such fucking atrocious personality traits.

[CommunityBeliever]

I don't think there are many people who have been unemployed for 10 years, don't talk to the very parents who they still live with and look like that who I really need to apologise too.

lol :thumbup1:

[BobKKKindle$]

10 years unemployed, 43, still lives with his parents, ugly as fuck and a total geek, and a Nazi? Wow, thats completely challenged all my stereotypes of the far-right :lol:

I don't know about you, but when I hear that someone's been employed for a long time I don't think it's because they're a failure on a personal level, rather I generally assume it's because we live under an economic system that systematically deprives a large section of the population of decent educational opportunities, and persistently fails to create sufficient jobs. It's often because of unemployment, combined with a lack of affordable housing, that people are forced to live with their parents or close friends - something I and most other adults would find fairly humiliating, given the importance that society attaches to being independent from others. In this context it's not surprising that this person does not have friendships beyond his parents, and it's also not surprising that someone in this situation would end up turning to fascism, which allows people at the very bottom of society to feel superior in some way despite their adverse conditions. This is nothing new - the unemployed made up a large share of the SA's recruits in Germany and movements which share ideological features with fascism such as Islamism display the same support base. Mocking these people doesn't do anything to smash fascism, and actually makes you seem quite heartless, even when you don't mean to be.

[Pogue]

I don't know about you, but when I hear that someone's been employed for a long time I don't think it's because they're a failure on a personal level, rather I generally assume it's because we live under an economic system that systematically deprives a large section of the population of decent educational opportunities, and persistently fails to create sufficient jobs. It's often because of unemployment, combined with a lack of affordable housing, that people are forced to live with their parents or close friends - something I and most other adults would find fairly humiliating, given the importance that society attaches to being independent from others. In this context it's not surprising that this person does not have friendships beyond his parents, and it's also not surprising that someone in this situation would end up turning to fascism, which allows people at the very bottom of society to feel superior in some way despite their adverse conditions. This is nothing new - the unemployed made up a large share of the SA's recruits in Germany and movements which share ideological features with fascism such as Islamism display the same support base. Mocking these people doesn't do anything to smash fascism, and actually makes you seem quite heartless, even when you don't mean to be.

Do you really think he was unemployed for 10 years because of the economic system, or do you think it perhaps has more to do with the fact he is clearly a complete and utter wanker? Do you think he has simply been unable to find work for such a long time, 10 whole years, or do you think maybe he didn't want too find work, because the sort of person who wants to make bombs to kill 'non-British' people in the home of his parents, one of whom he hasn't spoken to for 10 years, is the sort of person who doesn't really try hard in life?

And do you honestly think that being a bit down and out is all that draws people to fascism? And do you think this man is an ordinary unemployed person? There is a difference between someone who is drawn to the populist rhetoric of fascism such as many BNP voters, and people who actively hold a desire to inflict pain on people they deem inferior threw bombs. Clearly this man is more than just a victim of circumstance - he is a good for nothing piece of filth. I'd put that more down to his upbringing and personal attitudes and values than the fact he got sacked for being drunk at work and hasn't been moved to find work again after that, as most normal people do.

I hate this deterministic element within leftism which seeks to always portray people as victims of their circumstance. There are plenty of people who a) Don't go into work drunk, b) After losing their job, don't go 10 years making bombs without looking for another and c) Have a good enough relaionship with their parents as to not still live with them and completely refuse to speak to one of them when they are 43 years old. This man is a twat and I find it perfectly acceptable to criticise him for the choices he has made in life because he has made some pretty shit ones. You can't use capitalism as an excuse for a fascist fixation and a bomb fetish, thats a pathetic excuse and denies all personal responsibility and ignores the fact that many unemployed people actually don't move onto trying to blow people up.

[BobKKKindle$]

you really think he was unemployed for 10 years because of the economic system, or do you think it perhaps has more to do with the fact he is clearly a complete and utter wanker?No, I think that long-term unemployment is primarily the result of capitalism, and not the result of people being "wankers", whatever that entails. Although this is not applicable in this case, long-term unemployment often goes hand-in-hand in homelessness, which is what makes it long-term in the first place, and prevents people from getting back into work, because homelessness means that you don't have a permanent residence or even a contact number, both of which are generally prerequisites for job applications. On the general issue of why people behave as they do, one of the basic values that underpins progressive social analysis is that we recognize that people do not act or make decisions in a vacuum - rather, they are always products of the materials conditions in which they live, as well as the impact of socialization, and whilst this does not mean that any individual can ever be deprived of moral responsibility for what they do to others, or themselves, it does mean that when we analyze particular individuals and entire societies we should be sensitive to the various factors that can drive people to commit cruel and irrational actions, instead of issuing blanket condemnations that hold people entirely responsible for their mistakes. An obvious example of how people can be led to do bad things as a result of factors that are entirely beyond their control is the rise of heroin addiction and other substance-related problems such as alcoholism in northern towns that were once mining communities but have since had their mines shut down and scaled back due to privatization - these men have ended up in what can only be described as a terrible situation through no fault of their own, just like young white men are turning to fascism today because they live under a government that has done nothing to give them a chance in life and combat a crippling economic recession - not because they are inherently racist and bigoted. This is not the same as adopting a determinist analysis because is still leaves scope for the power of individuals to alter the direction of their lives and enjoy meaningful relationships despite their lack of opportunities. Even so, I find it difficult to feel hatred towards individuals such as Neil Lewington - just like I don't really hate the occupation soldiers serving in Iraq and Afghanistan despite the crimes they have committed in both those countries - and I certainly see no reason to mock him for not having friends, or a good relationship with his parents.

[Zurdito]

there are millions of long-term unemployed people in the UK and and in almost every country, I don't think it is because of them being wankers, but because capitalism needs a reserve army of labor.

They say that someone's true colors come out when they get angry, i.e. "I won't insult you for being poor/unemployed/working class etc. until you act in a way I don't like". It's quite sad if anti-fascism is used as a cover to let loose deep-held dislike of "social failures". Makes some of our British members look a lot more Thatcherite in their values then they would like to believe they are.

[Holden Caulfield]

It's quite sad if anti-fascism is used as a cover to let loose deep-held dislike of "social failures". Makes some of our British members look a lot more Thatcherite in their values then they would like to believe they are.
Please don't generalize the entire English antifascist movement because of one poor comment on an internet forum.

[Pogue]

I'm sorry, but I don't see how its at all controversial for me to criticise and take the piss out of this guy for being unemployed for 10 years. Do you really think someone who wants to blow up 'non-Britains', lives with his parents at 43 yet doesn't speak to them and covers up his keyhole is going to be one of the helpless victims of capitalism?

I recognise, contrary to Bobkindle's most wonderful reminder, that people are affected by the material situation, and I sure as hell loved the reminded that there was once pit closures in England, something I knew nothing about. This guy however is clearly not an ex-miner who has had everything taken from them, he is clearly not the sort of hard working, honest, decent type of person who has tried so hard to get a job and can't find one. He's a complete and utter scum bag, and yes, these people exist.

In fact, I find the whole 'z0mg poor idiotic working class will always flock to fascism' shit really offensive. It acts as if the working class is homogenous bunch of idiots who are incapable of making decisions outside of the economic and social system they live in. They clearly are not.

Some people might get sacked from a job for being drunk at work (a pretty shit reason to get sacked, but you know) and then realise they need to sort it out, get a new job, maybe sort out any alcohol problems. Not everyone is too much of the much talked about 'mindless victim of capitalism' that they will decide to spend 10 years making bombs to blow up 'foreign' people, because not everyone who loses their job is a fucked up twat like this guy.

Even in capitalism there is personal choice. If there isn't, as some people seem to suggest, how come every person who was ever sacked or didn't have a good relationship with their parents doesn't go on to bomb making as part of the race war? Because people make choices in life.

He doesn't live in a particularly deprived part of Britain, he isn't homeless, he isn't an ex-miner, he is a wanker who lost his job, and rather than spend 10 years sorting his life out as most people would do, he decided to go into bomb making. Thats clearly a personal choice and one 99.9% of people in his position don't choose to make.

As such, I will quite happily criticise an utter fialure for his decision to spend 10 years of his life ignoring his parents whilst living in their house, not working to get a new job and instead spending it trying to become the one man white supremacist equivalent of al-Qaeda. I didn't say 'Being unemployed for 10 years is always a pathetic thing' - if your disabled somehow, or caring for someone, addicted to something, etc, thats a justifiable excuse. But for someone with no real reason to spend a decade out of work other than they want to blow up some 'non-British' people, its a pathetic and negative thing about them and I'll take the piss out of it because I think it shows a) He is lazy and b) He has shit priorities in life.

[OneNamedNameLess]

Oh chill out guys. Haywood is right. He couldn't have explained his comments any better. I don't see the harm in slagging potential Nazi terrorists. And btw, not every unemployed person in the UK is in theat situation due to capitalism. I know a lot of them

[OneNamedNameLess]

Oh yeah, and he's probably a peadophile too :D

[Zurdito]

Please don't generalize the entire English antifascist movement because of one poor comment on an internet forum.

I didn't mean it as a comment on the British antifascist movement, apologies if it seemed that way. I have full respect for the British antifascist movement.




if your disabled somehow, or caring for someone, addicted to something, etc, thats a justifiable excuse


well according to the article he had an alcohol problem, so maybe he's excused then.

but anyway the point is that there isn't work for everyone who wants to find it. the issue is not about this man in particular it is just about using someone's unemployment as a stick to beat them with.

The excuse that some people "don't want to work" doesn't wash, it is the bourgeois explanation for unemplyoment. In reality lumpens are the result of long-term structural unemployment and not the cause of it, and so lining up with bourgeois society to spit on the "scum" is not very helpful to our cause.

[ls]

What a complete and utter moron, he abuses the bloody train conductor while carrying a bomb to explode. :laugh:

Just goes to show the average intelligence of far-right pieces of shit.

[Pogue]

well according to the article he had an alcohol problem, so maybe he's excused then.

He went to work drunk, and rather than go on a course to cure his supposed alcohol problem and seek employment again, he spent 10 years in his parent's house trying to figure out how to blow up 'non-British' people. I don't think being drunk at work once is an excuse for 10 years of such behaviour.


but anyway the point is that there isn't work for everyone who wants to find it. the issue is not about this man in particular it is just about using someone's unemployment as a stick to beat them with.

I'm not using 'someone's' unemployment as a stick to beat them with, I am using this mans 10 years of pretty baseless unemployment turned into time to plan for a racist bombing campaign as a stick to beat him with. If this was a story of a man who lost his job and spent 10 years looking for one again but simply couldn't find one I wouldn't be mocking him. I don't think this man is a poor innocent victim, though, I think he is the sort of person who was like this because of choice. Alot of people will lose their job and thus go find a new one. He decided to become a nazi.


The excuse that some people "don't want to work" doesn't wash, it is the bourgeois explanation for unemplyoment. In reality lumpens are the result of long-term structural unemployment and not the cause of it, and so lining up with bourgeois society to spit on the "scum" is not very helpful to our cause.

I never said everyone who is unemployed is unemployed out of choice. I said some are, and I think this man is one of them based upon his actions.

[OneNamedNameLess]

I didn't mean it as a comment on the British antifascist movement, apologies if it seemed that way. I have full respect for the British antifascist movement.




well according to the article he had an alcohol problem, so maybe he's excused then.

but anyway the point is that there isn't work for everyone who wants to find it. the issue is not about this man in particular it is just about using someone's unemployment as a stick to beat them with.

The excuse that some people "don't want to work" doesn't wash, it is the bourgeois explanation for unemplyoment. In reality lumpens are the result of long-term structural unemployment and not the cause of it, and so lining up with bourgeois society to spit on the "scum" is not very helpful to our cause.

I strongly support structural explanations of unemployment and obviously they are much more logical and a greater abundance of evidence exists to support them. However, there are some people who can't be arsed working and sign on. For example, a few years ago my neighbour stated that he couldn't wait until he was of age to claim unemployment benefits. Since he turned 18 he hasn't worked and that was roughly five years ago. It's naive of leftists to deny that some people choose to be unemployed. That was just one example, I can think of lots more.

[Zurdito]

I agree that some people are lumpens who don't want to work, but I don't think laughin at them as "social failures" is acceptable.

Just to clear up I am not asking for "understanding" for this disgusting Nazi, I was just adding that I agree with the posters who didn't think that the comments about him being a "failure" - "ugly, unemployed, lives with parents - i.e. too poor to get his own place" etc., were in good taste. I stand by that. Now we are hearing all the assertions about "baseless unemployment" and "not living in a deprived area" etc., but these really don't cut it, there are millions of long-term unemplyoed in britain and not all are ex-miners, and not all are nice people, and many will be pray to fascist ideas and substance abuse and giving up looking for work etc., but we don't spit on them with the same completely derogatory attitude as the rest of borugeois society does, surely.

and just to reiterate, no, in the case of this fascist, I have no sympathy for him, and I don't think this is the issue. And to be clear I am not trying to hound HF or score some points as people tend to think in these threads, I think he is ok on msot counts but like all of us can do I think he made a mistake here, and I am interested in the issue in general.

[Bilan]

Why not?

Because it's childish and pathetic. What does his appearance, or where he lives, or who he lives with, have to do anything? And why should that be subject to ridicule?

[Pogue]

Because it's childish and pathetic. What does his appearance, or where he lives, or who he lives with, have to do anything? And why should that be subject to ridicule?

Its childish, thats why it was a joke. I don't udnerstand why your taking this so seriously. I am taking the piss out of a fascist and you seem to be acting all heart about it. Of course I know it has nothing to do with an individuals moral standing what they look like, I still will take the piss out of him because I think he looks like a nutter and a typical geek.

I also think the fact a 43 year old still lives with his parents is pretty telling of the sort of person he is, and the fact he doesn't talk to his parents even more telling.

I think you need to drop this policing bullshit, every now and then some member of the board gets the idea that its their job to impose moral standards upon everyone else and its a load of shit. This didn't deserve the big hoo ha you guys are giving it, I think its you who needs to grow up and not me.

[OneNamedNameLess]

I agree. Humour is often clamped down on on Revleft if it is considered too 'reactionary'.

[Bilan]

Its childish, thats why it was a joke. I don't udnerstand why your taking this so seriously. I am taking the piss out of a fascist and you seem to be acting all heart about it. Of course I know it has nothing to do with an individuals moral standing what they look like, I still will take the piss out of him because I think he looks like a nutter and a typical geek.

I also think the fact a 43 year old still lives with his parents is pretty telling of the sort of person he is, and the fact he doesn't talk to his parents even more telling.

I think you need to drop this policing bullshit, every now and then some member of the board gets the idea that its their job to impose moral standards upon everyone else and its a load of shit. This didn't deserve the big hoo ha you guys are giving it, I think its you who needs to grow up and not me.

I'm not imposing my "morals" on you. I'm asking you not to post that sort of crap. I don't have any objection to mockery or humour (What a dull way of putting that), but I do have a problem with that sort of behaviour, if only because it's childish and makes you look stupid.
The sort of life he lead (in regards to what he looks like, his relationship with his parents, etc) are totally irrelevant, and if this were a Left wing revolutionary who was being arrested, and you saw comments like this, you'd be up in arms about it.
Simple, you just sound like a prick, and it doesn't add much to the forum beyond increasing annoyance.

[Bilan]

I agree. Humour is often clamped down on on Revleft if it is considered too 'reactionary'.

Cool it, Shakespeare. Don't be so dramatic. His humour is not reactionary, it's just childish and pathetic - as is this defense. Please, let's leave it here.

[AlMack]

Some hilariously liberal middle class trendy-leftism going on in here wtf

[Bilan]

Because I told someone off for being a dick?
Please.

[AlMack]

no because you hysterically overreacted over some flippant jokey comment about a bedroom nazi living up to certain stereotypes
GET SOME FRESH AIR LAD

[Pogue]

I'm not imposing my "morals" on you. I'm asking you not to post that sort of crap. I don't have any objection to mockery or humour (What a dull way of putting that), but I do have a problem with that sort of behaviour, if only because it's childish and makes you look stupid.
The sort of life he lead (in regards to what he looks like, his relationship with his parents, etc) are totally irrelevant, and if this were a Left wing revolutionary who was being arrested, and you saw comments like this, you'd be up in arms about it.
Simple, you just sound like a prick, and it doesn't add much to the forum beyond increasing annoyance.

You are imposing your morals on me because you have an objection to mocking people based on what sort of life they lead and I don't and your acting as if thats bad of me. Its not, you've just decided to get wound up about it.

Yeh I'd be up in arms if it was a leftie because he'd be a leftie. The difference is I am mocking a fascist and I feel entitled to do that because he's a fascist. Once more, you need to seriously stop trying to act like the forum police, everytime someone does that it just stinks of hypocrisy and pretentiousness.

[Bilan]

You are imposing your morals on me because you have an objection to mocking people based on what sort of life they lead and I don't and your acting as if thats bad of me. Its not, you've just decided to get wound up about it.

It's not a moral objection.
It's a 'this-is-irrelevant-to-the-discussion-and-just-a-twattish-thing-for-you-to-say' objection.



Yeh I'd be up in arms if it was a leftie because he'd be a leftie.

And you don't see anything totally ridiculous about that?



The difference is I am mocking a fascist and I feel entitled to do that because he's a fascist.

see above.


Once more, you need to seriously stop trying to act like the forum police, everytime someone does that it just stinks of hypocrisy and pretentiousness.

I'm not acting like the 'forum police'. Stop being so dramatic.

[Holden Caulfield]

closed out of me being bored reading thru it all,