Iraq war propaganda

[Revy]

wow. (http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSLR14453720090628?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=10531)

read it.

they have "Iraqis" saying stuff like this:

"if the Americans pull out, al Qaeda will return,"

Is this not propaganda? seriously? "ooh look America, you may want to get out of Iraq, but the Iraqis don't!" what?!

[OneNamedNameLess]

You mean more Iraq war propaganda?

Why cant people see through the Iraq war? So there are no weapons of mass destruction, oops! But we are taking care of a brutal dictator and restoring democracy even though we associate with many tyrants across the globe. And erm, we too possess weapons of mass destruction but to act as a deterrant. And the purpose of this war is?

What a fucking pointless waste of life. The Iraq war is a great reflection of the power of the media. A dodgy war which is so easy to see through. The media and government propaganda directed public opinion away from the contradictory nature of the occupation very skillfully.

[Richard Nixon]

We shouldn't have gone in, but now the US is in we should finish the job, it's a moral duty of the USA to do so.

[Raúl Duke]

We shouldn't have gone in, but now the US is in we should finish the job, it's a moral duty of the USA to do so.

The idea that something is a "moral duty" of the US is an ingrained one.

It used to be that it was a "moral duty" for the US to "civilize" the "backward" nations of Cuba, Puerto Rico, and the Philippines (among other nations in different times in history; I'm just taking the Spanish-American war ones as an example). This "moral duty" stuff was only an excuse for imperialism because in reality they did no such thing ("civilizing") and in fact neither of these 3 countries ever required it.

I'm skeptical of this "moral duty"...why should it be the US's "moral duty"?
Again, this kind of world views idealized the US as some sort of guardian with no malevolent intentions in its part. In reality, the only real reason why this "moral duty" stuff has been propped up by the media has more to do with material interests of certain social groups then anything.

[Richard Nixon]

The idea that something is a "moral duty" of the US is an ingrained one.

It used to be that it was a "moral duty" for the US to "civilize" the "backward" nations of Cuba, Puerto Rico, and the Philippines (among other nations in different times in history; I'm just taking the Spanish-American war ones as an example). This "moral duty" stuff was only an excuse for imperialism because in reality they did no such thing ("civilizing") and in fact neither of these 3 countries ever required it.

I'm skeptical of this "moral duty"...why should it be the US's "moral duty"?
Again, this kind of world views idealized the US as some sort of guardian with no malevolent intentions in its part. In reality, the only real reason why this "moral duty" stuff has been propped up by the media has more to do with material interests of certain social groups then anything.

Do you think it would be better for anyone if Iraq fell into chaos and/or became a puppet of Iran? An American backed Iraq would be at the least a democracy and support women's rights. Don't assume something is blankly bad simply for being "American".

[Martin Blank]

An American backed Iraq would be at the least a democracy and support women's rights.

When? Because it sure as hell ain't either of those now.

[FreeFocus]

Do you think it would be better for anyone if Iraq fell into chaos and/or became a puppet of Iran? An American backed Iraq would be at the least a democracy and support women's rights. Don't assume something is blankly bad simply for being "American".

What the hell? I had to scroll up and check if I was in OI after reading this post. To my surprise, we're in the Politics board.

Iraq has been in chaos since the American invasion in 2003. The US is responsible directly for the murder of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and opened the door for terrorists to become active in Iraq, who have also killed many thousands of Iraqis. According to respected journalist Nir Rosen, the American invasion and occupation of Iraq has been worse than the Mongol sacking of Baghdad and rape of Iraq.

Surely an entire country should not become the puppet of another, but Iran does not have the horrendous record that the US does. Iran has not attacked another country in recent history. Moreover, Iran was tortured unimaginably by a US-backed Iraq under Hussein.

If you're not restricted, you should know that there's no such thing as a capitalist "democracy," so a US-backed Iraqi puppet would not constitute a "democracy." Additionally, the West is surely not the source to lecture others on so-called "women's rights," with its problems with abortion rights, the institution of marriage, gender inequality, and in the case of the imperialist countries, especially America, supporting reactionary puppet regimes that suppress women's rights (Afghanistan).

There are a few good things that the US does throughout the world, but Nazi Germany also did a few good things, such as supporting some environmental preservation measures. The record in both cases is clear though, and generally goes without saying.

[CommunityBeliever]

The capitalists are quite good at coercing people into showing their support for the highly lucrative war industry. Don't take anything they say seriously the real thing they are not telling you is all the corporations benefit from wars because they can ask for unreasonable things from the government without anybody noticing.


Do you think it would be better for anyone if Iraq fell into chaos and/or became a puppet of Iran? An American backed Iraq would be at the least a democracy and support women's rights. Don't assume something is blankly bad simply for being "American".

They pay countless millions to try and convince people of lies such as these.

[The Iraqi Communist]

The truth is, in some parts of Iraq. If the American troops leave for example Nineveh or Kirkuk, the Al-Qaeda will regain a stronghold after some time. Therefore it is not weird if an Mousil resident says "If the Americans leave, then its over, the Al-Qaeda will return".

[The Iraqi Communist]

We shouldn't have gone in, but now the US is in we should finish the job, it's a moral duty of the USA to do so.

Moral duty? So tell me, was it a moral duty, when CIA ousted the Iraqi government in 1963? so that Saddam's party could come to power.. Was it their moral duty, to give weapons to Saddam and Khomeini? so they could keep each other weak.. Was it their moral duty to get weapons of mass destruction to Saddam? which he by the way used to gas Kurds.. Was it also their moral duty, to put on 15 years of sanctions? where more than 1 million kids died, for what? to harm Saddam regime? The man had his electricity, palaces, food and wealth.. u think the sanctions hurt him, no it only hurt the Iraqi people further.

The United States, brought Saddam to power and now they want the Iraqi people to thank them for removing him 40 years later; after 5 wars, 3 civil wars and 15 years of sanctions. No, never. America, should go out. For everyday they stay longer, the Iraqi people hate them more. We know what democracy is and we have always fought for it against Saddam and before him as well. In 1991 we were close to oust Saddam, but what did Bush senior do, he gave Saddam green lights to crush the uprising. Why? Cuz they fear an Iraq without Saddam would turn into Islamism and Communism.

The United States, not its people, but governments throughout history, are the last in human history to be associated with morality. Iraq was not the only one screwed over by America and wont be the last one. But throughout history, not once have an empire conqoured Iraq without losing its power shortly after. The Persian, the Romans, the Mongols, the Ottomans, the British and now the States. Good job, to Bush's morality, never again will the states become a super power.

[Dimentio]

The truth is, in some parts of Iraq. If the American troops leave for example Nineveh or Kirkuk, the Al-Qaeda will regain a stronghold after some time. Therefore it is not weird if an Mousil resident says "If the Americans leave, then its over, the Al-Qaeda will return".

I have heard that the people in Iraq really don't are too fond about AQ. They are quite unpopular. I wonder if they really could regain a stronghold given that a majority of the Sunnis hate them?

[The Iraqi Communist]

I have heard that the people in Iraq really don't are too fond about AQ. They are quite unpopular. I wonder if they really could regain a stronghold given that a majority of the Sunnis hate them?

Iraqis are anti-imperialistic and anti-fascist by nature.

And Al-Qaeda has been supported economically by imperialstic power in the past + their ideology is without a doubt fascist and has nothing to do with Islam. Then yes, it makes sense when u say Iraqis are not fond of Al-Qaeda, Iraqis didnt accept the control Saddam had over their lifes, why would they let foreigners from Saudi Arabia come to our country and let them tell us we are not allowed to shave and speak freely. Their days are counted, Al-Qaeda will be gone like the Baath Party & Saddam.

I said they would regain a stronghold, not because of the Iraqi people support, but because of their endless rescources of money and weapons. A suicide bomber is unpredictable, but if the Al-Qaeda went to guerilla tactics and fought like men on the streets, they would defintely be smashed by the Iraqi forces.

[Sarah Palin]

Do you think it would be better for anyone if Iraq fell into chaos and/or became a puppet of Iran?

The only chaos Iraq ever fell into was directly because of the policies of the US. Trade embargoes killed millions of Iraqis. The Gulf War resulted in the death of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. The current war in Iraq has resulted in the utter dismantlement of any progress they've ever made and the deaths of millions of Iraqi civilians, as well as the future exploitation of Iraqi workers, due to the purchasing of oil fields by Exxon, Conoco-Phillips, and Shell Oil.


An American backed Iraq would be at the least a democracy and support women's rights. Don't assume something is blankly bad simply for being "American".

That is the biggest load of garbage I've heard in my life. Under Saddam (NOT that I "support his every move" as you'll probably say) women had rights. The current Iraqi Constitution is actually more detrimental to women's rights then Saddam.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0723-06.htm Perhaps you should read up on what is actually going on in Iraq before you make up that garbage.

[The Iraqi Communist]

That is the biggest load of garbage I've heard in my life. Under Saddam (NOT that I "support his every move" as you'll probably say) women had rights. The current Iraqi Constitution is actually more detrimental to women's rights then Saddam. Perhaps you should read up on what is actually going on in Iraq before you make up that garbage.

Womens rights only existed for female Ba'ath party members. My own mom couldn't study nor work, simply because the rights for working and studying only counted for members of the Ba'ath Party. Because of the Soviet Union and Soviet Union alone, my mom could come to Moscow; study and get an appartment for herself and my big brother without a single dinar in her pocket, all paid and financed by the CCCP.

That alone shows the difference between a country ruled by fascists (Saddam's Iraq) and a country run by communists (The Soviet Union during the 70's).

[Anarkiwi]

America will leave soon,
the pipelines almost done they have the oil
and where the americans will go isint home its next door to iran.

As for AQ thats just a propaganda tool
ex yankee generals will tell you that themselves,
i dont deny theres arab facist in iraq but AQ dont make me laugh

Free the iraqi people from arab facisim and yankee imperial facisim!
and give them there oil back cheney ya nazi.